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Have you ever met someone who doesn't want to know what you are about? Who sees things so differently to you that you feel you are maybe naive or stupid? That what you say, is read or understood differently and this then becomes silly, even though you are being honest and sincere!!
It seems to me to be happening all the time just now. Well, now I think, I have my feelings and thoughts and these are right for me at this time. So, no, I say don't tell me what I should think or feel, about anything. Music, art or poetry, that is your view, not mine. Let's be firm and positive about our own views. Even in this forum, some people post their thoughts and they are hit back with people's ideas and views that are quite strong and individual, which could undermine the person's original idea or attitude. Just to say, Your own thoughts are yours and it is good to listen to others, but then decide whether to adjust with it or go with your own view. This is a bit deep, for a Wednesday, but it's what it going on in this forum. Stick to your own views, listen and adjust if necessary. Shey

Shey, this is a public forum people come on here to get others views on ideas, and sometimes anothers view is better than our own, and that can then become a part of us:) if one was to push their view upon me i would just say that is nice but i dont believe that. we all see things differently, that is what is so wonderful about getting people together and sharing ideas. i think its nice to see lotsa different views and agree with what we want. we are all our own persons, and i think that is what makes this place rock. if everyone had the same view of everything on this forum, is the day i stop posting:) thanks for sharing shey, as sometimes its nice to share, and just let it out:) i am not sure where exactly this post stemmed from, but its nice to have some serious posts.

Posted by Shey:
I've done that all the time - and I've spend a lot of time trying to change myself to make other people like me - only to find that the reason that they don't like me is not that I have different thoughts and opinions but the fact that I don't like myself beeing different... :rolleyes:

It is good to have somebody sharing your view, but it's also really exciting to meet people with other ways of thinking.
(And...both at forums as in life generally there are a (very) few people who try to ridicule others to feel better themselves - just ignore them !)


This makes me think about something else that is possibly a lttle on the side of your thread, Shey - please forgive me..

One important experience I have from taking part in this Forum is that communication with people who are mostly native English-speekers (or language specialits like Patty39 and PoStNe..Michael) is difficult.

One thing is that I never understand all the nuances in other peoples posts - what's even more frustrating is that I am not able to describe my own thoughts precisely. Lots of times I end up sounding ridicoulus without even knowing it .
So I think about my friend and co-workers who have Norwegian as their second or third language -I can better understand their frustration now !


Ragnhild

Shey,
You might be correct about how people should behave, but you're never going to change the world.

Let it slide, appreciate yourself for what you are, and your life will be better and more rewarding.


(everybody sing:)
You've got to...
Acentuate the Positive,
Elimate the Negitive,
Hold onto the Afrimitive,
And don't mess with Mr. In-Between.

Shey,
I know exactly where you are coming from.
I have wasted much energy, when I was younger, trying to persuade people to see my point of view.
I have spent even more energy (not all was wasted ) trying to get people to "hear" music that I thought was beautiful.
In my early 20’s I finally gave up, not to say I do not stand up for what I believe in, but I try my best to see things from all points of view.
Opinions and views that I do not agree with I take with a grain of salt. (It’s a good thing I LOVE salt!! )

Thanks for all your thoughts on this. I wasn't sure I had made my own thoughts very clear. It was interesting to note that (English as second language)users have a very difficult time, responding to threads in their own way. Yes this forum is wonderful, and it's good to hear others, opinions and ideas, even if they are not matched to your own, just not happy with rude comments and flippant remarks when they are not helpful in any way. Shey

It's good to know that you consider me a friend. I'm touched. Really.

shey,

i'm sorry you had to experience that. I often wonder why people would go through the trouble to hurt other people.

I hope you can set it aside and move on with the thought that anybody who would go through the trouble to be rude is just not worth a second thought.

I think that internet forums are a breeding ground for misunderstandings- sometimes people say things (or rather type things) meant in one way and their remarks can be completely misinterpreted.

I'd suggest that if you think someone is being rude, either ignore them or ask them to clarify their remarks before going off the deep end, so to speak.

Sometimes people just have different senses of humour and I wouldn't take anything to heart that is said in these forums, after all, we're all just words on a PC screen- we all have 'real' lives that are more important than a virtual chat room.

Here endeth my sermon on the evils of the internet!

for what it's worth, I think moogoo has a very dry sense of humour and I find him quite amusing.

I'd take him with pinch of salt rather than a dash of vinegar

MooGoo, I never considered you as a 'friend', you are touched. Shey

If you think it's bad here. You should really check out the video game forums. Those guys can get downright fanatical. Probably a byproduct of the OCD personality type coupled with the competitive nature of video games. At least here we are trying to make music!

Piano players aren't obsessed and competitive?

I don't know how bad it could really get here when you can't fling four letter words at people without seeing asterisks. When was the last time someone was compared to Hitler in a thread on PW?

Hey you know what would be a great idea...combine a piano forum and a videogame forum into one! Just imagine the camaraderie.

Ragnhild:
One important experience I have from taking part in this Forum is that communication with people who are mostly native English-speekers (or language specialits like Patty39 and PoStNe..Michael) is difficult.

Really? I think your English is of an excellent standard and I've not noticed any communication difficulties in the few exchanges we've had in the past. And I say that as a native English-speaker, just one that happens to have lived in CuckooClockLand for the past 7 years .

But if ever you don't understand something I have written, please feel free to ask, either in the thread or by PM. I think that these forums benefit greatly from the participation of people from all over the world, and those of us who are English-speaking should make the effort to help those who are using their second (or even third) language here.

As someone who has lived and worked out of my home country for extended periods[1], and had to use the local language(s), I am sympathetic to those not using their mother tongue, and usually I do try to express myself clearly, and resist using slang or colloquial expressions when addressing non-native speakers. I probably don't adhere to that rule on these forums very much, although this is mostly to tease the Americans here, who might think they are English speakers, but quite obviously aren't

Best regards,

Michael B.
[1] Switzerland, France, Germany and Italy over the past 15 years. I also took my Bachelor/Masters degrees in Arabic (language and literature), attending universities in Egypt and Syria, in addition to my UK-based studies.

Ok, Michael I was both right and wrong. you are both a language-specialist and a native English speaker.

Thank you for your kind answer. You are right, I find English English-speakers more easy to understand than Americans, but also the very "correctly" speaking (Monica, Shirokuru, Piano*Dad and lots of others) Americans and Australians are easy to understand.
I have problems with slang - and of course the most difficult is jokes and humour - but I don't mind laughing about the wrong things since nobody can see me after all Hopefully I also miss it if somebody is rude..

I guess what bothers me is that I know I sound childish when using the wrong words and most of all that I - who really need it the most - can not make the spell check work.

Ragnhild

Ragnhild, dont worry. You have a strong concurence in me (in bad English ).

I agree with a lot of what shey is eluding to. Many peoples replies on topics are represented to others as "facts", when in actuality they are nothing more than someones unsolicited opinions!

Having varying opinions is a good thing and adds a sort of neopolitan perspective to things as opposed to one size fits all- vanilla flavored response.

Unfortunately, some people (me included!), can get very passionate in their opinions or stance on certain issues wich can easily spiral into a spirited heated debate.

There are just some topics, (religion, abortion, politics, etc) in which people have many different viewpoints on and can seemingly be debated until eternity.

While I am guilty of not always practicing what I preach, I try to have respect for others (and their viewpoints) as best I can, even if I don't agree with everything that they are saying.

Like I said,....I "try" !, sometimes it just does'nt work out but that also does'nt mean to go out and look for confrontation.

I know, some of you are'nt buying a word of this, but I really do think that many of us are guilty of overstating our viewpoints from time to time, at least I know I am!

BTW, Does anyone remember "Deep thoughts by Jack Handy" an old SNL skit?

Well, mr super-hunky, I feel you have related to me properly, thanks, and my input on this forum. I am very wary of asking any questions now, because of others who want to dissect and read totaly different stuff to what my original question was!! I do want to have others opinions, but find it stressfull when they are rude and skirt around my original meaning, with sarcasm and wit, which is entertaining, but no real help to me. Thanks again. I feel I can ask a question, however stupid, and you at least will answer with honest, some wit, but friendly. Shey

Oh yeah!