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#1006368 - 05/29/06 05:00 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
Opus45 Offline
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I hate to overload the list with Chopin, but since we'll vote on which peices to tackle, I'll throw another one into the mix.
I "dabbled" with his Waltz in C-Sharp Minor few years ago, and would love to finally get this one under my belt. I think this one would be one of those "real fun to play" pieces, and though challenging, I think it looks "doable" (maybe with a lot of hands seperate work first?).

Anyone have good suggestions for jazz/new age/modern pieces that would be good additions to the list?
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#1006369 - 05/29/06 05:43 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Chopin's Waltz in C# Minor is a gorgeous piece - I'm actually in the process of polishing it right now. If you're going to study that one, could you let me know? I'd be curious to see what kinds of interpretive details people come up with.

Actually, could you let me know if you end up doing the Raindrop Prelude too? Another lovely piece, and not one I had studied (yet). Both those pieces are in my old Grade 9 book so they should be of comparable difficulty. Come to think, this Grade 9 book - containing pieces for the Royal Conservatory of Music in Canada - is probably what Kathleen is referring to. My edition is from about 10 years ago, but I rediscovered it recently and found quite a few nice pieces in it. If you happened to come across one for cheap at some point, it's worth picking up.

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#1006370 - 05/29/06 05:57 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Opus:

I really love your idea and would like to participate, however, I not a very good sight reader, thus, all the "improvising".

I'm IN as long as I can make up my own version of what everyone picks, (although this probably defeates the purpose of the whole exercise)!. Anyway, if I can't add a little, or more like a lot to whatever you pick, thats okay, I still like your idea and will look forward to what everyone accomplishes.

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#1006371 - 05/29/06 06:51 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Linus and Lucy works for me ....although I've never seen the sheet music

....off I go to search......
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#1006372 - 05/29/06 07:22 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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S-H, Everyone is welcome, of course. The only folks who would not be welcome are people who are rude and offensive (trolls).

I'm going to do my best to help structure these so that the groups run themselves, and I ask anyone and everyone for suggestions on how best to do this. I am only acting as a catalyst for these groups...they will become whatever everyone wants them to become.

I'm not sure how everyone else might feel about the number of pieces we work...but I would imagine something like one intermediate level peice per month OR one advanced level piece per quarter(?). I guess we would have to look at the list of pieces, then kind of decide how the group wants to approach them. For me personally, it might be reasonable to take 3 months to master a Chopin Waltz, or "Linus & Lucy", because these are very challenging peices (at least for me!). For more intermediate level pieces, I would guess a month would be adequate. I want to motivate myself, and have a lot of fun in the process, without unecessarily pressuring myself. I am anxious to see how others might feel about this as well. The recital was a great way to motivate me to learn to play "Take Five" and I'm hoping this group sharing process will help motivate me to learn other pieces more efficiently than I might otherwise.

Improvising..., what a great idea! What would you think about also having a group devoted to the art of improvising? As far as blending improvising with reading that also sounds extremely interesting. I wonder if jazz, new age, & modern would be the best groups for this?

Pianolina, welcome!
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#1006373 - 05/29/06 07:27 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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I'm in for "Linus and Lucy"

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#1006374 - 05/29/06 10:00 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Opus: I don't know if you saw it but on a couple of us are interested in learning"Victor's Piano Solo." Check a couple of the posts on the first page.

incidently I'd love to learn "take five" too, I have the music for that I've been able to handle a little of it but I have found it to be quite a challenge. Good for you for accomplishing that song!
I like Chopin but I would prefer to learn those pieces with my teacher.

I'm still interested in Linus and Lucy.

Maybe we'll have to work together in a few different groups to accomodate all interests.
I am excited, this should be fun!
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#1006375 - 05/29/06 10:08 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Hello Petrof,
I'm re-editing the list on the first post of the first page of this thread. (I added "Victors Piano Solo this morning")...i also found it & listened to it (I also have the CD somewhere in my house). I haven't seen the written music yet.

I think you might be right about having different groups.

(I'm actually still working on Take Five) Did you want me to add take five to the list & see if there are any other takers?
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#1006376 - 05/29/06 10:15 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Yes Opus, please add " take five" to the list. The music I have has G,A,B,C,D and E flats. I think this song is on the advanced level though dont't you? I've been able to pick up on some of the measures, alot of it has to with putting both hands together.
I find that to be quite a challenge.

Thanks! ;\)
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#1006377 - 05/29/06 11:35 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Hi Opus:

Please add me to your list.

From the suggestions so far, my 1st choice would be Chopin's Waltz in c# minor.

This piece really has everything, from the mysterious, Gypsy-like opening, then the wonderful, fast right hand finger work, and the gorgeous melody in the middle section in D flat.

Chopin's Nocturne No. 2 in E flat would also be good to learn, as well as the A flat Waltz.

That Melodie by Massenet, is that the Meditation from Thais?

If so, that would be high on my list.

As for Christmas songs, there is just nothing more beautiful than "O Holy Night".

A nice early-advanced arrangement in D flat would be fantastic.

There's something about the key of D flat that imparts a tremendous warmth and richness to a piece of music.

Thanks.

Mel
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#1006378 - 05/30/06 01:42 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Hey now, that sounds like a great idea! May I sign up too?
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#1006379 - 05/30/06 07:16 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Erm,. now I'm getting confused...

Opus, not to put all the burden on you, but could you make a list of what's on the list? Maybe in categories by style or music or something?

I definitely second Take Five...

And Victor's Solo

And Croatian Rhapsody, esp for Monica! \:\) Actually if people are interested in that, misery loves company! \:\)

Opus, I think you did listen to Croatian Rhapsody, it's the piece I posted a link for in my "Listen to this piece" thread. I remember thinking that if you might like it because it has a really cool LH.

What about new age? Winston's Canon is kind of a grey area isn't it, because the original isn't new age, but he's considered a new age artist.

Also, isn't it the case that everyone doesn't have to work on every piece? So if there are a few different styles, someone might only be doing one?

S-H, I think it would be really interested to hear the different renditions of people playing from the score and an improvised version.

Oh wow, you know, I am just going to have to quit my job to get all of this on my practice menu! :p
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#1006380 - 05/30/06 07:32 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Wow, guess we have quite a few intermidiate to advanced adult beginners.....I'm definitely not at the intermediate level yet I don't believe so I will have to pass, but a great idea!
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#1006381 - 05/30/06 08:49 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
Opus45 Offline
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Mel & tolovemoon,
Very glad you two are also joining in!

rocky (how about next year?)
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#1006382 - 05/30/06 09:31 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Wow!

What a great selection of compositions.

I am assumming we are going to "weed-out" many of them; otherwise, it could take some of us years to get through them all.

I love the idea AND I love this forum.

Kathleen
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#1006383 - 05/30/06 10:42 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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You're right Kathleen, We'll keep collecting ideas for a couple weeks, then we'll poll everyone. I haven't figured out how best to do this, anyone have suggestions on how to poll everyone? Maybe we can have everyone rank the selections in each category (or at least the categories that people are interested in) then we could develop a schedule from that? For the groups, we'll only be able to form them if there is enough interest for the individual pieces, and even then we may only be able to choose those at the top of the list(?).

ShiroKuro, have George Winstons versions actually been released yet (legally?)? I haven't checked. Even so, Croatian Rhapsody & George Winston pieces?? YIPES! We might need a "gifted students" group for those pieces. Not sure I could tackle either of those within a short period of time.
I'm recommeding we allocate a month for intermediate level pieces and a quarter for advanced level pieces. What do you think?
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#1006384 - 05/30/06 10:51 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Please count me in! No idea what level I play at but willing to try. I simply can't fit piano lessons into my day currently so this is a great idea. I've been listening to a CD with the Raindrop Prelude and was thinking I'd like to play it. But is it really a level 9?

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#1006385 - 05/30/06 10:55 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Welcome Agilita, Glad you're joining in, I'll add you to the list since here (on break at work).

ShiroKuro (and others): Good idea! I'll organize the "suggestions list" into categories.
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#1006386 - 05/30/06 01:55 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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This sounds interesting. I'm maybe a little below the level of some of these pieces, but I'd like to give it a try. I'll have to check my version of Linus and Lucy when I get home, and I also think I have a version of Carol of the Bells, but I'll look at that book also. I need something to get me motivated lately, I've been in a slump.

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#1006387 - 05/30/06 03:54 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Maybe we can help you out of that slump SAS, glad you're joining in. I'll add you to the list. (By the way, I'm also technically below the level of these pieces...I push myself before I'm "technically" ready....so sue me!)
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#1006388 - 05/30/06 05:57 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Opus, good point. Winston's sheet music is only legally available on his anniversary CDs (and each of those only includes one piece.) So if someone doesn't already have those, it's a rather expensive way to just get one score.

Hey, did you edit the first post here? I went back to see what we had talked about with regard to Winston, and there's a big fancy list! \:\) Great!

Anyway, maybe we should take Canon off unless a lot of people say they want to do GW's Canon, and that they have the sheet music.

I looked for sheet music for Croatian Rhapsody on a few US sites, but didn't find it anywhere. Since the score I have is from a Japanese publication maybe it's best to leave that one off the list. I'll just suffer through it on my own! ;\)
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#1006389 - 05/31/06 11:31 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Um, I might be interested.

But I can't figure out exactly what we're going to do.

Do we pick a piece (from the list, or any piece), record it and ask for feedback?

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#1006390 - 05/31/06 12:27 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Opus--count me in please. I'm an avid knitter and this reminds me of what we call, knitalongs. Folks knit the same pattern and post back and forth with their questions, observations, and pictures.

I am curious to see how this will work. But, I think the idea is great. Especially as I've been thinking about posting for help. I've just gotten my Privia 310 and have been "noodling" but with no direction or structure. This group might help me focus.

I would guess that I'm at the very beginning of Intermediate. I took eight to 10 years of lessons way back when and haven't really played for over 30 years--rusty is an understatement.

As for music, I don't know Linus and Lucy, but sounds like fun. I love Chopin and really want to play anything of his leading up to his Polonaises--a bit ambitious. I also want to learn Joplin--if I can ever get my two hands to work properly.

I'm game for anything, but would like instructions on how to obtain the music we decide to work on.

Also, does this forum offer a chat room? Or, we could take this off forum and form a Yahoo group. Just a couple of suggestions.

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#1006391 - 05/31/06 01:53 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Hi Nina
We're still pretty much in the discussion phase, but I would imagine that everything you mentioned would likely be part of this group learning experience. However, I might also think if someone is already capable of picking a piece and recording it right off the bat, then they might more likely be offering feedback to others rather than asking for feedback?

I think what we have in mind for these groups is a process that might look something like this (we're also looking for discussion/feedback on how to structure these groups):

1. Finding music we want to learn to play (something both motivating to learn, and challenging to play) & placing it on a list, then the group decides which piece(s) they want to work on as a group. This may result in more than one group.
2. Then the group can develop a schedule & start working on it. (I've already suggested a month for intermediate pieces, or 3-6 months for an advanced piece, depending?).
3. How the group works on pieces together is the interesting part...this may be planned a bit in our discussions, then may be modified as we go along. Some folks here are bound to have some good suggestions?
3. At some point (December 2006?) the group can evaluate the whole experience & decide on whether or not to continue with new pieces, or to change the format & continue or not.

With regard to recording, I would imagine that even recording small sections of the piece might be very motivating and helpful for the group during the learning process. If someone has a really good grasp on how a certain phrase should be played, then they could share it in the group. And conversely, if they're having trouble & are brave enough to record their trouble spot for everyone to hear, then I'm more than certain feedback will be readily available.

I also want to emphasize that this will NOT be my group(s). I am ONLY acting as a catalyst to get them going, and am volunteering to help collect names & pieces & help get us started. I will be a group participant, and not a group leader. I do not feel technically qualified to lead a piano learning group, but I do feel qualified to participate. So please, everyone pipe in & share your ideas!

(hope this helps you & others & I hope you actually decide to join in )

[Edit: Hello FurElise (didn't see your post...glad you're joining in, I'll add you to the list]
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#1006392 - 05/31/06 02:06 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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FurElise,

Thanks for your suggestions. I'm still trying to figure out a way to compile all the suggestions in one place & have the group decide on how best to organize the groups.

I was thinking of using this forum, one thread per group per piece? I have never formed a yahoo group & would need help with that if that ends up being the best and most favored idea.

Any other ideas out there?
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#1006393 - 05/31/06 02:57 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Opus:
There must be a moderator or admin person for this forum--perhaps if he or she were contacted, they might offer some suggestions on how to proceed.

One advantage of the Yahoo Group is that it's done by messages rather than creating a super-long thread of many pages. You reply to the message or post a new message. There's also places for keeping files, setting up a chat room, and so on. I do believe (and don't take this personally) that any boob can start a Yahoo Group. There are thousands of them. Also, you find additional folks--which may or not be a good thing.

To start off, this is my two cents. Is to see how it works on this forum before waltzing (couldn't resist) off and starting something that would also require learning a new way to interact. I would think that this should be kept as simple as possible in the beginning and then see it enfolds.

I'm sure that everyone will have an opinion and will be willing to do what makes this idea succeed. You are a brave soul for taking this on.

I'm looking forward to how this plays (sorry) out.

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#1006394 - 05/31/06 03:26 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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I do believe (and don't take this personally) that any boob can start a Yahoo Group.
From what I know of Opus45, he does not appear to be just any boob.
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#1006395 - 05/31/06 03:28 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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thanks markb, i think :p
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#1006396 - 05/31/06 03:52 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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I'm in. I needed an excuse to work on Raindrop anyway.
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#1006397 - 05/31/06 04:28 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Does Opus have boobs?

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