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#1006428 - 06/01/06 03:07 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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 Quote:
Originally posted by rocky:
Good Golly Miss Molly, looking at some of these suggestions makes me wonder what you all are doing in the beginner forum?

Sulking back to his corner and his easy sheet music

\:D [/b]
Same here! I've heard some of these pieces played by University piano majors
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#1006429 - 06/01/06 03:19 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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It seems to me that Opus45 is using this concept as a catalyst to make use of this forum as a peer group for specific music content rather than just the current conceptual level. Perhaps the latest visionary for the future of the forum. I don't see any reason why additional groups for each respective skill level could not be formed now too. Since the idea is to apply the knowledge of first hand experience to our learning, it would probably be even more advantagous to the early and late beginners to try and reap the benefits of past miseries and accomplishments.
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#1006430 - 06/01/06 03:21 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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I've heard some of these pieces played by University piano majors
We might just not actually realize what we are getting in to....
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#1006431 - 06/01/06 06:24 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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from dk
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I don't see any reason why additional groups for each respective skill level could not be formed now too. Since the idea is to apply the knowledge of first hand experience to our learning, it would probably be even more advantagous to the early and late beginners to try and reap the benefits of past miseries and accomplishments.
dk, You are absolutley right about that. There is no reason groups could not be formed for the early & late beginners at this time.

I guess I was being a little self-centered because the intermediate-late intermediate levels are where I will receive the most benefit.

Should that be part of this effort, or branched off into a seperate effort/thread?

Ideas????[/b]
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#1006432 - 06/01/06 07:52 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Petrof, I was just thinking I should repost the link, because the original thread has slipped back a few pages.

listen to Croatian Rhapsody

You can get a transcrition that is just a wee bit different from this recording here:

Croatian Rhapsody score

Scroll down to the list of transcriptions by Matthew Burrows, and you'll see Croatian Rhapsody there. For anyone who listens to the recording, I think it is not nearly as hard as it sounds, and is very repetitive which means there's less actual music to learn, learn one bit and then it just gets tweaked throughout the piece.

Opus, I personally think we should keep this group as it is, i.e. intermediate/early-advanced. I also think it's a great idea to have a similar group for beginner/early-intermediate. But that should be started by someone at that level, in a different thread, so that said person can get the ball rolling on piece suggestions etc.

And just to repeat what's probably been said about a million times, no one has to play every piece on the list, right? So don't be intimidated. Opus was joking about the not having to work thing-- even if it is something we all dream about! \:\)

I am really happy so many are interested in Croatian Rhapsody.

BTW, are there any more suggestions for a fancy Christmas piece? I'm going to order the Virtuosic Christmas book, but I'm waiting to see if I need to order anything else becuse shipping to Japan is pretty expensive, I want to do it all at once.

Opus, thanks again, this is a fantastic idea! \:\)
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#1006433 - 06/01/06 07:59 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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from ShiroKuro:
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I personally think we should keep this group as it is, i.e. intermediate/early-advanced. I also think it's a great idea to have a similar group for beginner/early-intermediate. But that should be started by someone at that level, in a different thread, so that said person can get the ball rolling on piece suggestions etc.
...I was hoping someone would say that. And thanks for the link to the Croation Rhapsody. Now that I'm home, I'm going to check it out & see what the fuss is all about.
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#1006434 - 06/01/06 09:29 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Originally posted by Opus45:
I was hoping someone would say that. [/b]
Happy to oblige! \:D

Re Christmas songs, I don't know if it counts as fancy, but I was just listening to David Nevue's version of God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen, and I really like it. I think you can only hear a clip on his site that I'm linking here (though I highly recommend the whole album if you like Christmas music) but it should give you an idea, and the score is available for purchase there.

David Nevue\'s Christmas CD

Who was it who said they prefer print versions? Are you also not fond of purchasing a score on the net and printing it out yourself then? With someone like Mr Nevue, IIRC their scores are only available on the net.
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#1006435 - 06/01/06 09:30 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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[Edit, re: David Nevue's version of God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen]

ShiroKuro (and anyone else who might read this)...beautiful version of this carol!!

Thanks for pointing it out!
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#1006436 - 06/01/06 09:37 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Opus, even with the new link I posted above? Here's another possibility. This page is almost all in Japanese, but it's worth a try:

Japanese page for Piano Life magazine

BTW, unless you change the encoding for that page, the hpage won't even look like Japanese, it will look like asterisks and other symbols, so don't be surprised. (If you wanted to, you could right click on any empty spot and select Japanese for the encoding, but it'll still just be in Japanese. :rolleyes:

Anyway, there is a column of blue "buttons" on the right side that say "sound" (in english) Click on the 8th button down, that's the link for the Croatian Rhapsody MP3. let me know if that works.

Also, Opus, I think you and I were posting simultaneously, did you see my comment about God Rest Ye Merry Gents? (Nevue's version)
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#1006437 - 06/01/06 09:39 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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P.S. to find the button, it's in the second one in the second group of buttons, underneath the red page indicator for p 49. (or if you just count all the buttons, it's the 8th button)
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#1006438 - 06/01/06 09:40 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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I just noticed we posted simultaneously...also just upgraded my windows player & I'm listening to Croation Rhapsody now.

Beautiful! (I may join this group??)

Yes..."God Rest Ye Merry Gents" (always liked that one too)

[Edit...ShiroKuro, Croation Rhapsody is very beautiful, but....I'm thinking, probably too techinically challenging for me at this point....yipes!]
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#1006439 - 06/01/06 09:46 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Opus, no way is it too challenging for you. And I'm not just saying that cuz I want you to play it with me. \:\)

Not after the way you dazzled us with Take Five. I bet this is much simpler. And it's slower (you gotta love that!) The recommended tempo is MM=95 (for the quarter.) And there's so much repetition, so that makes it easier.

I thought it would be too hard too, but I'm working on it little by little (very little really) and it's much more accessible than I thought it would be. Rhythmically, it's very straightforward. If you play it slow, you'll see what's happening, and then I'm sure you'd be able to get it up to speed much more quickly than I will be!

Anyway, no pressure. (We're all doin' it, wassa matter, you chicken or somethin?) but seriously, don't write it off too quickly. \:\)
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#1006440 - 06/01/06 09:54 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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You are very persuasive ShiroKuro, and I do like the sound of Croation Rhapsody...I'll put it back on my "highly considered" list. \:D [and by the way, I still can't play Take Five up to speed ]

Everyone:[/b]
I may have time this weekend to start matching the peices with group participants.

It's not too early to start thinking about which peices you want to learn to play.

And it's not too late to suggest more peices.[/b]

Remember, we don't necessarily have to get to everything right away...groups can elect to start on some pieces and defer others...also you can participate in more than one group.

If you have any other suggestions...share them! Questions? Concerns? Ask![/b]
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#1006441 - 06/01/06 09:57 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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So we're not going to a Yahoo group is that right? Apparently you have to have a yahoo account to participate in those, and even though yahoo accounts are free, some people may not way to make yet another email account. (not to say we couldn't do a y-group, but it sounds like no one's really interested in that)
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#1006442 - 06/01/06 10:02 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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I was thinking of just using a different thread in the AFB (different threads for each different group). We could give the threads unique names so they can be found easily enough if they sink down the list because all the group members are too busy practicing to post comments/questions/recordings/music scores, etc..

How does this sound? What do you think? Anyone else? Other ideas?
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#1006443 - 06/01/06 10:09 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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maybe assisgn one song per thread.Maybe have people sign up on the thread that has the song they want to play? If they start a song and they think it is too hard , they can move to another thread. Or if someone starts a song and finds it too easy , they can go to a different thread that has another song they like. And like you said people can do more than 1 song if they want. I think assigning one song per thread, and maybe having people sign up under the thread that has the song they like might work. ????
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#1006444 - 06/01/06 10:10 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Yes, I second Petrof and Opus's suggestion, one thread for each piece, with a very clear title, that would be very easy to use and keep track of.
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#1006445 - 06/01/06 11:02 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Count me in Opus45. Let's say I'm hesitant as to whether I'll be able to devote enough time to this project, but willing to give it a try.

Petrof1 said:

Also I wouldnt mind learning the Asokan Farwell. I have the score for it. It is in the Dan Coates book of Complete Advanced Piano Solos.That one doesn't look too hard, I think it is more on the intermediate level. It looks like one of the easier ones to play in that book.

I agree. I have the same book, and that is one of the easier pieces. I have only attempted about 4 pieces in that book so far, and that is one of them. I can't play it up to speed yet, but it's coming along.

I look at some of the pieces in that book (Over the Rainbow, for example) and wonder if I'll ever in a million years be able to play them, but a few are definitely doable for me.

Another cool book is Showcase for Piano. It's a Hal Leonard book of nicely arranged old pop standards. I think just about all of them would be appropriate for the group. Songs included are Bali Ha'i, Bewitched, Falling in Love with Love, How are Things in Glocca Morra, I Can't Get Started with You, I Could Write a Book, I Didn't Know What Time It Was, I'll Be Seeing You, Lazy Afternoon, My Funny Valentine, On the Street Where You Live, People, September Song, The Sweetest Sounds, There's a Small Hotel, This Can't Be Love, Where or When, and You'll Never Walk Alone. I just got the book and have only tried a couple of pieces so far. I would classify them as intermediate - late intermediate.

I prefer buying books rather than sheet music as you get more for your money that way.
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#1006446 - 06/02/06 01:07 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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In the same Coates book with Ashokan Farewell.... is a good arrangement of "Beauty and the Beast."

It's actually the very next song, if I recall correctly. His "Over the Rainbow" is good, as is "As Time Goes By."

Besides, every pianist needs to have a rendition of "As Time Goes By," right? \:\)

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#1006447 - 06/02/06 08:19 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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I listened to Croatian Rhapsody and printed out the first couple of pages of the transcription... and I think I want to be in this group! It's definitely a stretch for me, but I think with careful attention I could pick away at it steadily... and it sounds so great and unlike anything else in my repertoire.

Thanks for posting it, Shiro.
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#1006448 - 06/02/06 10:35 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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ShiroKuro,

I have in the past purchased music for download when I couldn't find it elsewhere. I think it is a great concept, but I still prefer the hard copy mailed to my door when it is available. I am quirky that way.
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#1006449 - 06/02/06 12:36 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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I wouldn't mind signing up for the learning group as well.

If we have to select what piece to look at, I will select the Croatian Rhapsody too. I don't think I will be able to play it to any high level, but its been on my mind recently and would like to give it a shot.

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#1006450 - 06/02/06 12:37 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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First, let me say that when I referred to any boob can start a Yahoo group, I wasn't necessarily thinking body part--more like any moron--that aside (we all have a sense of humor I hope) to clarify. You don't need a Yahoo e-mail account to participate in a a Yahoo group--just a sign-in id and password.

However, I think that the idea of starting a thread for each song or group is a good one to try out--keeping this simple so that we can spend more time on the keyboard than figuring out how to post.

I don't have any recommendation for music--just two considerations would be helpful--

At least one piece (maybe two) at the beginning intermediate level as I'm just starting up after 30 years or so and feel like the Tin Man who needs oil (although it's amazing what is slowly coming back to me).

And, second, it would be appreciated to let us know how to obtain the music--either download or hard copy purchase. (Also where to get a recording so that we could listen to what it's suppose to sound like.) I have no preferrence for sheet music or a book or download--cost is no object--that's why my credit card bills are so outrageous.

Edit: I just read Opus' other post--maybe I'm not far enough along? Ok if I try anyway?

I'm looking forward to this.

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#1006451 - 06/02/06 01:56 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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And, second, it would be appreciated to let us know how to obtain the music--either download or hard copy purchase. (Also where to get a recording so that we could listen to what it's suppose to sound like.) I have no preferrence for sheet music or a book or download--cost is no object--that's why my credit card bills are so outrageous.
...maybe I'm not far enough along? Ok if I try anyway?
I think we'll be throwing links around to recordings, downloads, & places to purches hard copies. If there's anything in particular you're having trouble finding, just ask...someone will step up and help you find it. (glad you're going to stick it out & try FurElise)
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#1006452 - 06/02/06 11:27 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Here are the sheets for the classical pieces listed so far, except the Massenet:


Please note that sheetmusicarchive.net allows only 2 downloads per day.

So please download the pieces you are most interested in first, and the rest later.

Thanks.


Beethoven Bagatelles:

http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/single_listing.cfm?composer_id=3


Brahms Waltz in A flat, Op.39 No.15:

http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/dlpage_new.cfm?composition_id=198


Chopin Raindrop Prelude, Op.28 No.15:

http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/dlpage_new.cfm?composition_id=244


Chopin Waltz in A flat, Op.69 No.1:

http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/dlpage_new.cfm?composition_id=273


Chopin Waltz in c# minor, Op.64 No.2:

http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/dlpage_new.cfm?composition_id=271


Debussy Claire de Lune:

http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/dlpage_new.cfm?composition_id=1136


Debussy Reverie:

http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/dlpage_new.cfm?composition_id=758


Mozart Ah! Vous dirai-je, Maman K.265:

Twinkle, Twinkle Little Star


Rachmaninoff Prelude in c# minor, Op.3 No.2:

http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/dlpage_new.cfm?composition_id=1043


Schubert German Dances:

A Ton Of Them


Schubert Impromptu in G:

I have Schubert's Complete Piano Works, and there is no Impromptu in G.

However, the Impromptu in G flat, Op.90 No.3 is gorgeous:

http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/dlpage_new.cfm?composition_id=1331


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#1006453 - 06/02/06 11:57 PM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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Oh man, look what happens when I go out of town... ShiroKuro sneaks in Croatian Rhapsody on the learning group!!! Aaarrgggh!

If the rest of the sheet music is as hard as the excerpt, I'm looking for the "Beginner Learning Group" thread... ;\)
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#1006454 - 06/03/06 12:09 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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I am in with the Schubert Impromptu in G-flat major, Op 90 No 3.

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#1006455 - 06/03/06 06:03 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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No, no, Monica, that excerpt is specifically the most difficult section of the piece. That's why I started there first. And for the record, I still can't play it worth a snot! :p

Also, did you notice I suggested David Nevue's God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen for the Christmas piece? \:\)
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#1006456 - 06/03/06 09:35 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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from Monica
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Oh man, look what happens when I go out of town... ShiroKuro sneaks in Croatian Rhapsody on the learning group!!! Aaarrgggh!
How true! ShiroKuro is VERY persuasive (i bet she is just as persuasive in her work as a teacher). She's so persuasive in fact, that she has me 90% convinced that I might be able to actually think about the possibility of entertaining the idea of the concept of considering that I may be able to actually learn to play the Croatian Rhapsody?

By the way, I'm going to start forming the groups based on interest expressed in this thread and in Email sent to me. I'll spin off another thread with the groups, and will add to & modify those groups over the next couple weeks as people indicate to me. [/b]

[Edit: Done...The list of participants and piano pieces have been relocated here
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#1006457 - 06/03/06 10:06 AM Re: Piano Study Groups for Intermediate-Early Advanced Levels (anyone interested?)
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dannylux

Thank you for the convenient links![/b]
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