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#1009792 - 12/13/04 05:17 PM Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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Has anyone decided what piece they really, *really* want to work up to by the end of next year?

Today I was listening to various Chopin pieces and some other classical music in the car, and I have decided that I just plain *have* to learn this piece next year:

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Chopin Walz in E flat, Op. 18. I think this is the single coolest intermediate piece Chopin ever wrote, and that's saying something.

So it's settled then. I'm going on record. You can take it to the bank!

If anyone's game, we can check this thread on New Years' Eve 2005, bubbly at the ready, and toast everyone who makes their goal.

Anyone?
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#1009793 - 12/13/04 05:46 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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I *will* have Fur Elise down pat by then. \:D Oh, you mean a piece we haven't started yet...

As for pieces that I haven't begun, I don't have a clue. I'm taking things one achievement at a time. Hopefully my skills will be vastly improved by the end of next year.

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#1009794 - 12/14/04 04:51 AM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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Well, the original goal (dream as it is turning out) was to be playing the Andante movement to Mozart's 20th piano concerto (K466) I don't think this is close to being a realistic goal unless I practice 6-8 hours a day from now till then and that ain't going to happen. I am working on Clemente's Sonatina in G major right now, just started a few days ago and expect to have it completed, except for the dynamic shadings, in about 2 weeks. It is a lovely piece and is in "The Piano Handbook".
A year from now I want to have Chopin's Nocturne in E flat nailed down. I have been working on the right hand and am diligently practicing left hand arpeggios and chord inversions in different keys. This is my major glaring weakness, the left hand flow and transition. My teacher has indicated to me that this is a very realistic goal, he smiled when I told him about the Mozart concerto but that was several months ago. ;\)

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#1009795 - 12/14/04 06:16 AM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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I'm thinking about beginning the Beethoven Sonata No. 27, Op. 90.. Probably wouldn't be performance ready in one year though. depends on how much other new stuff I want to tackle at the same time
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#1009796 - 12/14/04 06:26 AM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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My goal is to be able to play Scarlatti Sonata K32 in re minore-Aria.
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#1009797 - 12/14/04 07:31 AM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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by the end of next year, i should be able to at least finish the following:

Bach prelude and fugue no.2, WTC1
Beethoven Tempest 3rd movement
Beethoven sonata op.49,1 (all movements, part of relearning)
Beethoven sonata op.79 (all movements, part of relearning)
plus some Chopin pieces (prelude/easy etude,etc.)

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#1009798 - 12/14/04 08:26 AM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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Jerry I'm playing that Scarlatti right now. It's really fun. I especially like the trills. My teacher added to my sheet music some mortunds(sp?) and extra trills just as ornamentation. She played it for me on her harpsichord and it sounded so cool.
My goal is to play the second movement of Beethoven's Pathetique. I don't think this is possible, but hope is a magic word.
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#1009799 - 12/14/04 12:04 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
Jerry Luke Offline
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jdsher-

My sheet music only shows K32 to be 24 measures. Am I missing some? The recording I have of it appears to have more than that. It sounds like the pianist repeats the measures, going a note or two lower each time? Also, the notes on the bass clef are squares. I've never seen that before. What do they mean? Here is the music I have:

Scarlatti K32 (compliments of iamcanadian in the Pianists forum)
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#1009800 - 12/14/04 12:10 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
signa Offline
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as to Scarlatti K32, people usually repeat both 1st and 2nd parts from double bar, which makes it sound longer.

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#1009801 - 12/14/04 12:29 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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You go, Jerry!

You do realize that there are some actual *chords* in that piece? \:\)

Mound and Signa, you inspire me. :jaw drops:

Chopin Nocturn, eh? I don't know that one. Must go find midi . . .

Cindy -- who hasn't seen the actual sheet music for that Chopin waltz of hers and who may have to change her goal once she does
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#1009802 - 12/14/04 12:34 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Cindysphinx:

Mound and Signa, you inspire me. :jaw drops:
[/b]
I haven't done anything yet ;\)

 Quote:

Chopin Nocturn, eh? I don't know that one. Must go find midi . . .
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"Chopin Nocturn" isn't a single piece.. There are several Nocturnes (the number escapes me at the moment.) I hope to eventually learn them all.

Look here for some MIDI stuff:
http://www.chopinfiles.com/nocturnes.html

-Paul
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#1009803 - 12/14/04 01:20 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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Well then I'll hum it for you - da daaaaaa da da daa da..da daaaaa da dAAAAAA da daaaaaa da; da daaaaa (trill) da, da daaaa da, da dA da da da da da da da daaaaa.

Got it now Cindy?

The Nocturne I'm speaking of is Opus 9 no 2 which is downloadable from the link provided by Mound.

See if you can download the sheet music from one of the following links. The second link doesn't work all the time. You may have to go to the home page here http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net

http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/single_listing.cfm?composer_id=4

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#1009804 - 12/14/04 01:53 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Cindysphinx:

Mound and Signa, you inspire me. :jaw drops:
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oh, please Cindy, spare me!

some pieces i put are what i have already learned (op.49 1st mvmt and op79 2nd mvmt) or what i am currently learning, such as Tempest 3rd mvmt (through 3rd page and 7 more to go), Bach prelude no.2 (half way through). so, actually what left to be learned is not as much as it looks. i don't think i am too ambitious for next year really.

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#1009805 - 12/14/04 02:34 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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Jerry Signa is right, you repeat at measure 8 and at the end. I asked my teacher about the square bass notes and she said it's just the way the happened to print it, no secret meaning.. ;\)
Jon
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#1009806 - 12/14/04 04:01 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
Jerry Luke Offline
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Cindy-

That's why I've given myself until Dec 21, 2005. I'll need every minute until then. ;\)

signa-

Thanks for info on the repeat(s).

jdher-

Thanks for checking into the square notes for me on the bass clef. (I can't believe that I spelled it BASE clef on my original post I have edited that post to avoid further embarrassment.) :rolleyes:
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#1009807 - 12/14/04 06:38 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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Jerry, the diamond (or square) notes merely indicate that they are to be played with the left hand. It's a fairly easy piece and if you can play the Mexican Hat Dance, then you can learn this guy in about a week or two at the most.

The hard part is getting the chords in your fingers, but a few days of just playing the chords, from one to the other will do that quite nicely.

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#1009808 - 12/14/04 09:09 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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on december 31, 2005 I want to be able to memorize rhapsody in blue by then (why I can't do it now is beyond me), and be able to perform all op.22 (andante spinato and grand poloniase brillante) by Chopin.
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#1009809 - 12/14/04 09:32 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Bob Muir:
...if you can play the Mexican Hat Dance, then you can learn this guy in about a week or two at the most.[/b]
Are you referring to 'Chiapanecas', the Mexican Hand-Clapping Song? Actually, I haven't yet completed that one. It's kind of complicated and I didn't feel that it should have been included at that particular point in the manual. I didn't feel that I had the skills required at that time. I marked it to come back to after I became more experienced. Also, I have no idea how it is supposed to sound, I couldn't figure out what sections were supposed to be repeated when, and the song basically held no interest for me. I really do intend to eventually go back and work on it until I can play it.

Oh, and thanks for the info on the diamond notes. Makes perfect sense.
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#1009810 - 12/14/04 09:54 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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Hi Jerry, saw yr songsheet "Aria" but I noticed that the first bar (chord) is D,A,D (what chord is this ?) Also can explain to me the bar no. 6 and 14 ?

How long does it take you to learn this piece from fresh beginner ?
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#1009811 - 12/14/04 10:26 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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I think we've hijacked this thread enough guys. I've started a new thread here concerning this piece:

Scarlatti K32 Q&A thread

Sorry Cindy. Mea culpa \:\(

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#1009812 - 12/15/04 06:10 AM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
Jerry Luke Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Bob Muir:
I think we've hijacked this thread enough guys.

Sorry Cindy. Mea culpa \:\( [/b]
Ditto for me, Cindy.

(Sometimes it's hard to stay on topic...)
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#1009813 - 12/16/04 09:13 AM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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Uh oh.

I printed out the music for that Chopin Waltz. It is *8* pages long. And really hard. And I think it is called "Grand" Waltz "Brilliante" or something. Which means it is really, really hard.

I think I must scale back a bit. Maybe I'll have a look at the music for Mozart's Turkish Rondo (can't remember the real name).
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#1009814 - 12/16/04 10:04 AM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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Mozart's Turkish Rondo - sonata in A, K331.

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#1009815 - 12/17/04 05:49 AM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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I'd love to be able to play a Beethoven sonata in it's entirety. Picking which one, however, is the hard part!
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#1009816 - 12/17/04 06:14 AM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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I'm preparing to start Beethoven's Sonata No. 27, Opus 90.. (two movements)
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#1009817 - 12/17/04 09:17 AM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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i love Beethoven's op.90, but it is a hard piece, especially for LH. i would learn it after i get op.79 done, which would be a good preparation for op.90. btw, Beethoven's tempest op.31/2 is a great piece to play, as i am learning its 3rd movement (the easiest movement of it) now. i learned a lot on technique side by learning the tempest, and it is so much fun to play as well.

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#1009818 - 12/18/04 01:10 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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Hello,
I say that some of you are more than beginners. I've been busy and haven't thought much about. I'm taking piano lessons at a community college so it will be something out of my Keith Snell "Piano Repertoire" Level 3 book. . . I see a Beethoven piece, Op. 119 No. 9 with the title "Bagatelle". A Posting described it as a Sonata. Is it a misprint in my book? To play the piece well would be good 2005 milestone for me.

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#1009819 - 12/18/04 03:07 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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Welcome to the forum Toni. I'm afraid I can't answer your question about the Beethoven, but someone will at some point. There is a spectrum of abilities here in the AB forum. One of the reasons we started a separate forum was we felt a little awkward asking the gifted and talented folks over on the pianist forum questions about simple things.
If you don't feel too uncomfortable about posting, I think a good topic would be for you to describe lessons through community college. Some of the members have started with a group type lesson, only to progress to private instruction.
I would be curious to know what the advantages and disadvantages are.
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#1009820 - 12/18/04 03:27 PM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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Originally posted by winot1:
I I see a Beethoven piece, Op. 119 No. 9 with the title "Bagatelle". A Posting described it as a Sonata. Is it a misprint in my book? To play the piece well would be good 2005 milestone for me.
[/b]
no, op.119 is not a sonata, but a Bagatelle set. Beethoven wrote several such a set: op.33, op.119, and the greatest one op.126, plus some single bagatelle pieces, such as 'Fur Elise', etc.

op.119,9 is short with only 20 bars, so that i bet you could play it after a few months. i just sight read through a few bars of it, it's a lovely piece!

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#1009821 - 12/19/04 08:43 AM Re: Where Do You Want To Be On Dec. 31, 2005?
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Well, thank you for your responses and warm welcoming. I'll have no problem sharing my experiences, because I've already received a wealth of information and inspiration from this forum. Except for two months of group lessons at the store where the piano was bought, I had been carting around my Knabe for 30 years waiting for the opportunity to have the time. And now after three and a half years of lessons, I understand it has to be quality time, consistently, persistently, and, if you're an older beginner, patiently. With my high anxiety level, I had to start with private lessons at a retail store so I could easily drop out if disappointed. I'm very thankful that I had a teacher that was also teaching at the Northern Virginia Community College in Alexandria, Virginia. With so many skills, techniques, knowledge to learn, I feel I've received a competent base with minimal bad habits. We started with the Alfred's Basic Adult Piano Course Level 1 that was very good looking back. But now I suspect a group lesson provides the comradeship and exposure of other people's performance and practice methods that probably enhances those areas. Another important source for me is reference books . I treasure: Madeline Bruser's “The Art of Practicing” and Barbara Maris's “Making Music at the Piano” for adult students. Still, I struggle —if asked how's my piano playing, I respond, it's a lot of work, and more work. It's only my ardent love of music that I haven't given up.

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