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I've never had to figure anything out by ear.

This could be interesting!

A classical addict turned jazz!

Playadom: I posted a link to a leadsheet on the previous page of this thread.

Found it.

Thanks!

Also, a handy tip in these kinds of situations is to go to a site like MusicNotes.com or SheetMusicPlus.com and look up the tune. These sites will show you the first page for free (though you may have to install a browser plugin in order to see the sheet music). That's a great way to get started with a tune.

For example, Autumn Leaves is at:
http://www.musicnotes.com/sheetmusic/mtd.asp?ppn=MN0028996

Matthijs, that's great that's the entire A section right there on MusicNotes.

Cathy

7+ minutes of pure joy from that not even 2-page lead sheet.

Amazing isn't it Rhonda? It just gives me goose bumps to listen to that. I promise that everyone who does this study group will end up playing like that!


...Yeah right It will be a 200 year study group

http://www.box.net/shared/rvd1yqmckc

Here's my recording, one thing I discovered is playing 1-7 alternate with 1-3 is much easier and more pleasant to my ears.

Am(a-g),D7(d-f#), GM7(g-f#),CM7(c-e) F#7(f#-e)...

Jazzwee, any comment ? on my recording, should I just stick to 1-7 for now ?

Serge

Fantastic Serge88! Good job.

1/7 1/3 is the voice leading approach and we will in fact play it this way later. So this is correct.

However, there is a reason we are practicing 1/7.

What I'm trying to pass here is the idea of playing the third on the RH because your solos will need to find that third automatically. So this is part of the mental training. You need to find that 3rd at all times without thinking. It is the most important note on the RH.

You can play 1/7 (ii chord) 1/3 (V chord) on the LH and still play the 3rd on the RH. You will end up doubling the third. Not a big deal for now. So you can keep doing it this way on the LH but later I will explain what happens to the RH voicing when you play 1/7 1/3.

If anybody is interested, the Hal Leonard "Best Fake Book Ever" has this tune in the key of G, if anybody needs the melody. Plus, for the $40 or so, you get another 1000 lead sheets with melody lines.

I'm going to join in. I have been studying this on my own for a year or so, but was never very successful at application. Maybe this thread will help. I'm just wrapping up Alfred's Adult Book 2. I think that I'll spend a couple of months polishing up the pieces in book 2 and following this thread before moving on to book 3.

Thanks for all your recordings. I have enjoyed them and learned a lot from them already.

Here's my recording. A slow version. I added some RH notes under the harmony. Just sounded fuller to me. I'm excited to participate in this thread. I have a long way to go...

http://www.box.net/shared/hph7rzeo08

Learning to Swing

On our Jazz Improvisation thread, we discussed swing. I've compiled some quickie recordings so we can discuss the correct way to swing.

All I'm playing here is Am7-D7-Gmaj7 on the LH, then I'm running through the G Major scale on my RH. This is just a raw view to compare the differences between three ways of playing. There are lots of gray in between but these are extremes.

NO SWING
This recording is played straight as you play it in classical music or Rock.
http://www.box.net/shared/uf0thaksos

SWING
This is how I swing the same line. Note the accents on the offbeat. http://www.box.net/shared/cmgedcy88c

INCORRECT SWING
This is an exaggerated dotted eight + 16th swing style. Not jazzy at all.
http://www.box.net/shared/eladihgooc

When I play the Autumn Leaves melody, you will notice that I don't accent the downbeats. They're a little softer than the upbeats.

So if counting
| 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & | 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 | & 1....
Only the '&' gets an accent. The '&' is a tad shorter than the downbeats as well. How short is a matter of styling. Some people play just a tiny bit shorter. Some players reach a ratio of 2:1 between a downbeat and upbeat pair. Mine tends to be closer to 1:1.

Think about this carefully when playing the melody. This takes awhile to master so don't expect immediate results but practice scales with swing in the RH.

Deeluk, you had a very nice melody on the RH! If you're having problems with the rhythm, play only whole notes on the LH so you can worry about one hand at a time. It's hard to think of too many things.

KeyboardJungle, welcome and join us with questions and problem solving to get you going.

Most of us have a problem with Rhythm and it is one of the key things about jazz. Swing itself requires a constant awareness of each eight note pulse.

So I would do some slow counting to see where the melody fits into each measure. Now if you listen to the way I do it, after awhile, you can make the melody sing a little and not land exactly on the beat. A little high speed Rubato is often used. Don't do it like that yet. Just keep it simple and in time.

Just remember that in Autumn Leaves, there's 2 1/2 beats before the main chord starts.

So in your head keep counting
& | 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 & | 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 |....

Then the melody goes
| & 3 4 | 1 | & 3 4 | 1 |
| No Chord | Am7 | D7 | Gmaj7 |
The^ Fal- ling | Leaves | Drift^ By my | Window |

So Am7 starts on 'Leaves'. Gmaj7 starts on 'Window'. D7 starts 1 1/2 beats before 'Drift'.

Except for the '&' , notice that all these notes are on the downbeat so none of the other notes in this sequence gets an accent.

This is how precise everything is to get that distinctive rhythmic feel. I KNOW it's tough. If you play it like you sing it, you will play it naturally.

I will probably have to record a super simplified version that just tracks the beats of the melody.

Be aware that the chords have at least one error in it. It's not an Fm7b5 but an F#m7b5.

Does not sound like swing to me. Only accent on the off beat.

Now this sounds like jazz to me.

I think I have a problem with jazz rhythm.

Serge

LaValse...nice job

Yes - I just figured that out after spending about 15 minutes this morning trying to make the Fm7b5 sound right. After listening to it clash with the A note in the melody, I went through the chords in the key that we are in and realized that the chord should be F#.

There are other differences, but I think that they are just differences, not necessarily mistakes. It was a good excercise to compare and contrast the HL version with ours. Also, it was rewarding to reason through an error in a fake book, come up with a better solution, and then get confirmation with my ears and on the thread. Thanks mahlzeit. I'll be switching to our version.

This is a little bit OT, so please respond with a personal message rather than posting to the thread. I am having trouble with my sound. I upgraded quick time and could hear files playing until I stopped QuickTime. When I started it again, the files played, but didn't produce sound. If anybody has any tips on configuring quick time, please send me a PM.

I thought the same thing as Serge88.