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#1010650 - 01/28/08 10:08 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Barb, that's good. Note choices fit the chords and there were spaces there. Now we need to slow you down a little. Put longer notes in (quarter notes and half notes). And put even more space. This gives you time to think of the melody in your head.

On the swing of eighth notes, make it less sing-songy (i.e. make the eights straighter) and don't forget to accent.
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#1010651 - 01/28/08 10:15 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Lesson 10 - Beginning Solo Tips - Use Long Notes and Space[/b]

When I first did a solo for a teacher, the first thing I did (as probably all of us do), is play TOO MANY notes. And then it sounds a litle bit like a scale.

So the early advice I got was to first start off your development by using a lot of long notes (Quarter notes, Half notes), and just think of melodies.

Here's a short solo snippet where I had to concentrate on using long notes. To best do long notes, don't do AL too slow, otherwise, you will want to fill it in with too many ideas. As it goes faster, you really have no opportunity to cram too much stuff in there. This was played at 140bpm.

EXAMPLE 1:
http://www.box.net/shared/ziqj2zaww0

EXAMPLE 2: (EVEN SIMPLER)
http://www.box.net/shared/vegkoc4gk4
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#1010652 - 01/29/08 12:40 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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I was just getting back to the rootless voicing lesson. Are those played 2 handed similar to the 2+3 style we learned? Or are these intended solely for the LH with the RH continuing the melody? Do rootless voicings work as comping chords or do you stick with the 2+3?

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#1010653 - 01/29/08 01:13 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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For comping you can use Rootless LH only, or 2+3, and later Rootless BLOCK chords which is two handed.

But when you're soloing in a combo, you play LH only of course since your RH is busy. You can see me doing that on the recordings. Those are all live so you can see all the warts too \:D .
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#1010654 - 01/29/08 09:30 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Thank you jazzwee. You are a great leader and have given me lots to work on. Your solo example is just what I needed. I want to be able to play like that.

My natural tendency is to play with that triplet feel as opposed to straighter, but accented on the +, eighth notes.

ACTION TAKEN:
This morning I've been playing RH only with Lesson 8. I set the metronome to 260 so that it is clicking on the eighth notes. I put a lot of accent on the offbeats...probably overstressed it to get the point across to my fingers.
Next, I set the metronome to 130 to click on quarter notes. No problem there, Next, I set the metronome to 65 to click on 2 and 4. Big problem there. I'll stick with quarter note clicking a while longer.

jazzwee - I noticed in your Lesson 10 example that you covered 2 octaves. I'm just staying in one octave for now. My ears are not developed enough to jump around and know what it will sound like. This is where Band in a Box ear training will be most helpful.

Question re: Band in a Box. Do you recommend using their solo generation option for ideas?

If there are any lurkers out there tackling this solo business, PLEASE join in the fun and post. We need to share ideas.
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#1010655 - 01/29/08 11:29 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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This is Lesson 3A style with the LH shell voicing.

http://www.box.net/shared/sezcnebcw0

Is the RH swinging as it should, ie. marcato on those 2 quarter notes? I tried to play legato and then detached for the next 2 notes.

Jazzwee, many thanks for your continuing feedback & guidance.

Rosa \:\)

Al, how nice to see you here! Welcome to the party.

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#1010656 - 01/29/08 12:19 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Swingin' Barb:
Thank you jazzwee. You are a great leader and have given me lots to work on. Your solo example is just what I needed. I want to be able to play like that.
[/b]
Just make sure you don't forget Barb that I'm just a student too so take my advice (and my playing) with some grain of salt. Rely on listening to the masters for your own verification. My interpretation is not the only possible one.

I thought about the solo I posted and I think I can simplify that even further. You need to start with the fewest possible notes so you get the tones in your head. I will see about adding a second example of Long Notes.

BTW this process is something I experienced myself as a student. Once I started with slowing down in note selection, it was a very quick step to play faster lines. Your brain has to adapt to the changess first.

Remember what I said in a much earlier lesson, initially target 3rds as the basis for your long notes. This will keep you in synch with the changes.


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jazzwee - I noticed in your Lesson 10 example that you covered 2 octaves. I'm just staying in one octave for now. My ears are not developed enough to jump around and know what it will sound like. This is where Band in a Box ear training will be most helpful.

Question re: Band in a Box. Do you recommend using their solo generation option for ideas?
[/b]
It's easier to sound like you picked the correct tones when you do stepwise movements. So staying within an octave is quite fine.

No I don't recommend using BIAB solo generation. In the end it's going to have to come from your own mind. So it's good you have the guts to do it because it's the outside feedback that will teach you (from me and others).

To others following this thread and not posting a solo, a lot of the learning in jazz is from making the mistakes, sounding awful, having lots of timing problems, picking the wrong notes. But often you're not going to see this on your own. The outside feedback is really helpful.

Barb, in a short time you will notice rapid development so keep at it.
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#1010657 - 01/29/08 12:49 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Is it just me? Box.net seems to always be down.
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#1010658 - 01/29/08 01:21 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by jazzwee:
Is it just me? Box.net seems to always be down. [/b]
Box.net? No problem........tuesday 29 jan 19.20h local time (Europe)

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#1010659 - 01/29/08 01:40 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by jazzwee:
Just make sure you don't forget Barb that I'm just a student too so take my advice (and my playing) with some grain of salt. Rely on listening to the masters for your own verification. My interpretation is not the only possible one.[/b]
OK - jazzwee, you're a student, BUT, you are also leading the way. So, do you accept the term "mentor"? You are mentoring all of us 'jazzer wannabees' from utter darkness into the light.

Yes, I listen to the masters. It's one thing to know how you WANT to sound.. but, it's another thing to know what steps to take to get that sound. So, great mentor that you are --- you are providing those steps. Thank you!


Box.net is fine for me here in NC around 1:38 pm. In fact, each of the times I have posted, I never had a problem with it. Maybe you need to move to NC ;\)
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#1010660 - 01/29/08 02:46 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Thanks, Jazzwee for your comments. I will continue to work on it.

This is fun to learn how to do but lots of work before I learn and got a late start on this thread so lots of catching up to do.

Hi Rosa....happy to be joining you and Barb and everyone else that is doing this...

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#1010661 - 01/29/08 06:23 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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MIDI of AL Combo Backing Track was modified. Prior version was missing voice/bank changes.
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#1010662 - 01/29/08 06:32 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by rosa2007:
This is Lesson 3A style with the LH shell voicing.

http://www.box.net/shared/sezcnebcw0

Is the RH swinging as it should, ie. marcato on those 2 quarter notes? I tried to play legato and then detached for the next 2 notes.
Rosa \:\)

Al, how nice to see you here! Welcome to the party. [/b]
Rosa, the melody is in pretty good shape. Sometimes you make the quarter notes too short but that's just occasionally as you are more aware of it it will be consistent.

Now the left hand is not on 4/4 for some reason. I would play with a metronome because the LH is on a waltz rhythm (3/4). Although I stab the chords 3 times on many occasions, note that I land still on one of two landmarks of the measure, Beat 1 or + of the 2. Now this is a little hard to master so start off with just whole notes on the LH (following a metronome). Once you're successful with that, then you can go back to Charleston. We just have to make sure you don't lose your count. Especially at this early stage, the counting is critical. By the time you get to the advanced level, you will have to know upbeats and downbeats by instinct since some advanced ideas come in related these.

Don't forget Lesson 9 (Playing in the Pocket). Hopefully everyone is getting started on that. That could take a couple of months to show solid improvement so it's important to start that early.

You're working hard Rosa and you're paying attention so you'll see solid improvement shortly.
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#1010663 - 01/29/08 06:35 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Originally posted by Alene:

This is fun to learn how to do but lots of work before I learn and got a late start on this thread so lots of catching up to do.
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Don't worry Alene, most are still on the early Lessons. Barb has had jazz lessons before so she has a little edge over many.
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#1010664 - 01/30/08 12:24 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Now the left hand is not on 4/4 for some reason. I would play with a metronome because the LH is on a waltz rhythm (3/4).
This is an eye-opener indeed!!!!

I thought I was playing 4/4 times. LOL!!!!

How did I manage to do 3/4 on LH and 4/4 on RH .

Thanks for pointing this out to me. I would have not known at all.

I will go back and just hit on the first beat for a whole measure and see what happens.

Rosa \:\)

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#1010665 - 01/30/08 01:40 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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That's the spirit Rosa!
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#1010666 - 01/30/08 01:49 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Everyone, please note that I added a second solo to Lesson 10. It's even more simplified. The idea here is to learn to solo just using very few notes first.

Pay attention specifically to the phrasing because there are some cliche phrasings that's part of the jazz vocabulary and you'll notice it not just in the way the notes are phrased (as discussed in the lesson on Phrasing), but also endings. For example, listen for repeated eighth notes and how they're specifically handled.

This stuff is simplified and I'm not using any fancy scales or dissonant harmonies. It's just simple melodies and if you just listen deep in yourself you can come up with it. Then the next step is to phrase it like jazz.

In the end, when you really know how to play, you will find that a lot of phrases are the same simple stuff but just played four times as fast. This is the meat and potatoes so to speak. Then from here one deviates harmonically and then you start breaking rules.
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#1010667 - 01/30/08 01:52 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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BTW - Thanks to Deeluk for fixing my MIDI file (backing track). There's so many people involved in this thread and everyone's helping to make everything a professional record.
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#1010668 - 01/30/08 01:59 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Swingin' Barb:
OK - jazzwee, you're a student, BUT, you are also leading the way. So, do you accept the term "mentor"? You are mentoring all of us 'jazzer wannabees' from utter darkness into the light.
[/b]
Barb, I think the fact that I'm a student of Jazz (as an Adult Beginner), is the perfect example of what can be accomplished. Just remember that I started Piano and Jazz only a little over 3 years ago. So, if I can do it, why can't all of you?

So I accept the job of a role model so all of you know this is something possible from adults. However, I will not lie to you, just like anything else, it takes a lot of work (and a good teacher).
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#1010669 - 01/30/08 02:26 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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I've been following along eager to participate. I finally got set up to record (MIDI for now) and got an account at box.

Rosa2007 and Swingin'Barb your stuff is sounding great!

I started with 1/7, 1/3 in the LH and the melody in the RH. I tried really hard to stay pure this first time but I have to admit little variations and riffs naturally want to sneak in. But I really wanted to practice the LH as a rock solid rhythm that jazzwe refers to.

Anyway here it is:

http://www.box.net/shared/byagc3hgkg

It's late and I must sleep!
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#1010670 - 01/30/08 02:42 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Jazzwee, you only started playing piano 3 years ago? I can't believe it. Well if I can get that good within 3 years and be so jazz knowledgeable & playable I will be so happy!


Stagerson, welcome to the Learning party. This is LOTS of fun doing it together. We learn best learning from one another.

Rosa \:\)

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#1010671 - 01/30/08 02:48 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by stegerson:
I've been following along eager to participate. I finally got set up to record (MIDI for now) and got an account at box.

Rosa2007 and Swingin'Barb your stuff is sounding great!

I started with 1/7, 1/3 in the LH and the melody in the RH. I tried really hard to stay pure this first time but I have to admit little variations and riffs naturally want to sneak in. But I really wanted to practice the LH as a rock solid rhythm that jazzwe refers to.

Anyway here it is:

http://www.box.net/shared/byagc3hgkg

It's late and I must sleep! [/b]
Hi Stegerson, welcome! As far as the melody goes, I've said this many times so I'm sure you'll reread this over and over. Look at the Note Phrasing Link on Page 1. Quarter Notes are played detached (non-legato).

On your LH, notice that when you stab the chord on the LH, the 3rd chord stab is off time. So read up on the Charleston discussions. I would first start with playing whole notes on the LH and ease into Charleston.
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#1010672 - 01/30/08 09:44 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Glad to see others joining the fun here. Welcome all!!

jazzwee, your latest solo version is so very helpful. I played it over and over until I could sing the 'A' section. I transcribed it, played it into Band in a Box, printed it out and notated the accents. Got my fingers copying what you had done.
Played this over and over and over.....

Next step - try my own solo once again... 'A' section only this time. Have I gotten rid of that Mickey Mouse triplet feel that I had in my first solo attempt?


http://www.box.net/shared/jdojnsuwwo

As far as my playing goes, it's funny that I hear what I WANT to hear, and not necessarily what I am actually doing. That's why I post a lot. I need to know how I REALLY sound.

ps - stegerson - I had to laugh with your comment
"It's late and I must sleep!"

You can forget sleep - jazzwee has created a monster here. I fell into this bottomless pit and life seems to have changed. This stuff takes lots of time ... but time worth spent.
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#1010673 - 01/30/08 11:06 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by jazzwee:
BTW - Thanks to Deeluk for fixing my MIDI file (backing track). There's so many people involved in this thread and everyone's helping to make everything a professional record. [/b]
No problem. Glad I could help. At least I'm doing something useful on this thread. I have every intention of posting my latest noodling attempts. I've got a decent backing track and I've been practicing with RH only improv. I'm having some technical difficulties at the moment converting the recording to something listenable. If worse comes to worse, I'll just post a MIDI file....

Anyway, keep up the good work everyone. Barb, your stuff is sounding great. Thanks so much for sharing. I thought the phrasing on your latest attempt sounded much better. We'll see what our mentors think. BTW, I hear 'ya on the metronome thing. Ticking on 2 and 4 really throws me for a loop too.

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#1010674 - 01/30/08 11:27 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Swingin' Barb:

As far as my playing goes, it's funny that I hear what I WANT to hear, and not necessarily what I am actually doing. That's why I post a lot. I need to know how I REALLY sound.

ps - stegerson - I had to laugh with your comment
"It's late and I must sleep!"

You can forget sleep - jazzwee has created a monster here. I fell into this bottomless pit and life seems to have changed. This stuff takes lots of time ... but time worth spent. [/b]
SB,

SO true about what you think you played vs what you actually did! Now that I'm wired in, I look forward to the critiques.

Yes, sleep. I get off work at 10:30 so the BEST time to play, without kids, is from 11 pm to ??.
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#1010675 - 01/30/08 11:40 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by jazzwee:
Hi Stegerson, welcome! As far as the melody goes, I've said this many times so I'm sure you'll reread this over and over. Look at the Note Phrasing Link on Page 1. Quarter Notes are played detached (non-legato).

On your LH, notice that when you stab the chord on the LH, the 3rd chord stab is off time. So read up on the Charleston discussions. I would first start with playing whole notes on the LH and ease into Charleston. [/QB]
Jazzwee,

I know exactly what you mean with the RH, I'll work on it.

In my mind, I was doing a 1 and a +2 with my LH. I'll read some more.
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#1010676 - 01/30/08 12:10 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by stegerson:


from jazzwee: On your LH, notice that when you stab the chord on the LH, the 3rd chord stab is off time.

In my mind, I was doing a 1 and a +2 with my LH. I'll read some more. [/b]
stegerson - I think that 3rd chord stab jazzwee is referring to is really beat 1 of the next measure. That stab may be off just a hair....barely noticeable by us jazzer wannabees. ;\)

Of course, I may be way off base here. We'll just wait for our mentor to come on board.

Barb
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#1010677 - 01/30/08 12:35 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Swingin' Barb:
As far as my playing goes, it's funny that I hear what I WANT to hear, and not necessarily what I am actually doing. That's why I post a lot. I need to know how I REALLY sound.
[/b]
That sounded a lot better, Barb.

As you develop, you will begin to hear better. Even now, listen to the phrasing I made. There's some subtlety there that I automatically do. Some notes are held longer than you think. There are little pauses, accents and such that are part of the swing feel. At the moment, you probably can't here tham. When you start hearing the little things, it will show up in your playing.

This is the same thing with time. As your ears notice when you're out of time (even a little), then your time improves.

A pro listening to my playing will have a lot to criticize too as I'm not yet hearing what they can hear.

So as a teacher makes you aware of what to listen to, that makes you improve. This is why it's helpful to post, regardless of how badly you think you're playing, because, you've got to learn to hear.
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#1010678 - 01/30/08 12:46 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Tips on Creating a Solo[/b]

If you listen to my solos, you need to understand that it is completely improvised, warts and all. I have no idea what I'm going to play until I play it. That's taken in one pass.

It comes from hearing the melody in your head and not coming from fingers finding familiar patterns. It is harder to hear large intervallic jumps in one's head. So as an early exercise in this, stay close. Move stepwise, or no more than a 3rd first. Then attempt to memorize the sound of a perfect fifth. Lots of jazz movements of a perfect fifth going DOWN. Intervallic jumps of a full octave is pretty easy, and then move stepwise from there to recover yourself.

Here's another trick. Starting on a chord tone, move a half step away (up or down) then come back. Always come back. This anchors you back to the chord tone.

At the beginning stages, if you're going to make intervallic jumps, do it as arpeggios of the chord. This is always safe and Bill Evans did a lot of arpeggios.

Finally, anchor your moves to the 3rd of the chords. Remember the 3rd's exercise? You should have memorized those thirds in AL now. This will keep you in synch with the changes (which is really important).

All this is just to train the ear. And then hopefully you self generate your own melodies and the rules are set aside.
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#1010679 - 01/30/08 01:07 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Registered: 09/18/07
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Loc: Hong Kong
Today I did the most fantastic thing and got myself a new toy -- METRONOME.

It was so educational.....I thought it would be so easy to just get one and tick tock tick tock...

Well, there were so many to choose.
Of course I didn't get a traditional one.

I got one that had a human voice that would count out loud for me PLUS even some crazy looking rhythm patterns to fool around. Oh this should be interesting and not boring.

Jazzwee is going to have a shock to hear that I have been playing piano for 20+ years for my church and never owned a metronome. You probably wonder where I learned my piano -- in the no man's land of the greatest school -- DIY method (Do It Yourself). LOL!!! So my music world never had to count.

I recorded the following Autumn Leaves with LH shell voicing and only whole measure hitting.

http://www.box.net/shared/9ic88f5gcc

Keeping my fingers crossed that I am on the right track......ready for Charleston?

Rosa

The new mentra: It is late and I must sleep.
Off to bed.

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