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#1011100 - 03/07/08 11:03 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Rosa, the accenting of off beats has always been difficult for me. I have to go slowly - - yes 40 bpm to the quarter note - which means I'm doing 2 eighth notes in that space.

For me, I'm training my finger muscles to do something. When I train, slow is the way to go.

Here it is:

http://www.box.net/shared/pk49tpn484

I'm glad you had me do this. It is hard to play slowly and keep on the beat. I noticed on playback that I tend to rush at times.

Since it's midi, listen again at a fast speed. It gives you more of an idea of how it would sound in the real world.
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#1011101 - 03/07/08 11:16 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Rosa - I just thought of something. I wasn't using a metronome -- just band in the box. To make things easier, when you do it with the metronome, set it to click on eighth notes. You will set the metronome to 80 and you can keep very strict time by striking each note on a click!
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#1011102 - 03/07/08 11:26 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Great guys, I'm glad you're getting me here. I'll basically focus on a weakness and herd everyone in that direction. The arpeggio exercise is good for everyone. Once I start seeing arpeggios in actual solos, then we'll move on to another way of adding streams of notes.

It's really good to be armed with some standard vocabulary like this as it gives you time to think of other things. A whole measure filled with an arpeggio is just a single decision, like picking one note. And don't ever feel that this is hokey in some way as Charlie Parker and Bill Evans used chord arpeggiation a lot.

There are some other arpeggiated patterns you will hear that are repeats of two notes in the arpeggio. Here's an example for Am7:

(up) E C E G B
(down) B G E C E

These are good variants as well and you should hear these in Bill Evans' version of AL.

It's good to have the ability to integrate arpeggios be an automatic skill.

What would Fur Elise or Claire De Lune sound like without arpeggios? If it works for classical, it will work for Jazz.
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#1011103 - 03/07/08 11:30 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Barb, that's perfect. Exactly what I meant. But I had to listen at 200% so I wouldn't get too bored \:D Articulation and time (at 200%) sounded awesome.

I think your slow metronome practice is really helpful. I haven't done much of that myself. There is really technique to be developed and it does take a little time to build the skill.
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#1011104 - 03/07/08 11:35 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Woody-Woodruff:

Jazzwee, when doing the arpeggiating exercise do you want the 9th's automatically included in addition to the usual notes of the chord itself? [/b]
Yes. That is correct. By doing an arpeggio of 4 notes starting on the 3rd, you will end up on the 9th (3,5,7,9).

On bridging songs, if it is important for you not to stop playing, that empty space is filled with tricks like iii-vi-ii-V-I progressions and some way to modulate to the next key. Modulating is done with a series of dominant chords where you can move along the circle of fifths or chromatically.

What do I do? I stop and then start the new tune \:D Or I'll pedal to 1st chord of the next tune.
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#1011105 - 03/07/08 11:40 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by jazzwee:
Here's an example for Am7:
(up) E C E G B
(down) B G E C E
YES, YES, YES - that's the Bill Evans sound! That's what I want to learn. I am so glad you have taken us to this path :3hearts:
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#1011106 - 03/07/08 01:04 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by jazzwee:
Here's an example for Am7:
(up) E C E G B
(down) B G E C E
For the 5 note tempo above do I do the E C E as a triplet and put in a rest before the G B ?
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#1011107 - 03/07/08 01:17 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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No Woody, these are all eight notes. These exercises are intended to give everyone the ability to pull out a sream of eighth notes with running out.

There's another Bill Evans stylistic thing BTW to do triad arpeggios in triplet eighths as follows:

1 3 5
9 11 13
3 5 7
...

Easy to see on white notes.
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#1011108 - 03/07/08 01:20 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Woody, I didn't mean to stop you at 5 notes, that's just the motif, obviously you would either extend it to the length of the measure either with other note choices, a rest or longer length notes. I was just describing a motif snippet that can be heard in Bill Evans playing, proving that arpeggios are in fact a solid piece.

For exercise purposes, I would stick to the up down exercise I described earlier. The one that Barb did so well.
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#1011109 - 03/07/08 01:25 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Gotcha', picture a light bulb clicking on above my head!
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#1011110 - 03/07/08 03:51 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Thanks for the explanation on the 2nd pattern, I had the same question. I was wondering how I was going to cram 10 eighth notes into a measure. Thought it was following the 1st pattern you described. So, you could extend the pattern to all eighths like (over Am7):
E C E G B B G E (up)
or
B G E C E C B G (down)

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#1011111 - 03/07/08 06:19 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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deeluk, it's party time! 1000th post on the Jazz thread and you had the special honor! Yay!
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#1011112 - 03/07/08 06:37 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Hah! Wow, pretty amazing when you think about it. What has it been, around 3 months? 'Course it had to be my thick-headed wondering about arp patterns. Maybe I should edit it and ask something deep about Mehldau's style or something? ;\)

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#1011113 - 03/07/08 07:10 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Hey Deeluk, Congratulations on #1000! Those arp patterns are part of the "Bill Evans Exercise". It's going to make us all sound like him. Very appropriate post. \:D
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#1011114 - 03/08/08 02:11 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Gang, here's my Evans 8th arps.

http://www.box.net/shared/rz5l78wg8k

Hope you can hear the accent on the offbeat!

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#1011115 - 03/08/08 06:14 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Rosa, I heard those accents loud and clear.

NICE WORK!
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#1011116 - 03/08/08 07:18 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Rosa,

Nice job!!! I haven't had the chance to try it yet on my piano but now I'm anxious to try it!!!
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#1011117 - 03/08/08 08:30 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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GREAT!!! Now I know I am on the right track.

While working on this offbeat accent, I am venturing onto a new song.

All the things you are -- LH 1/7 and RH 3rds:
http://www.box.net/shared/xf1zkank8c

The following is Shell voicing:
http://www.box.net/shared/y8i8r0mg4s

I am noticing the 2-5's now. This one has 2-5's every other measure. Does it mean that it's chaging key all the time?

I wonder if I can do Evans 8ths arps on this song. If so, then I have 2 songs to practise the accent.

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#1011118 - 03/08/08 08:58 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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For those of you that requested a pix:

Beatrice Inga Evelyn Bell

Btw: nice work everyone! I'm impressed!
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#1011119 - 03/08/08 09:09 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Chris - I log on to the thread and see a picture of a little angel. She is beautiful - and such long piano fingers! Looks like she's trying for a chord in her right hand.

Congratulations once again!
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#1011120 - 03/08/08 09:11 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Rosa - You are on quite a roll. Everything sounds wonderful. I say - go for those arps on your new song. \:D
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#1011121 - 03/08/08 09:20 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Oh Chris...she is a DARLING. Looks like her RH will be able to reach a 12th eventually.

So Barb...go for it eh? OK..I will give it a try.

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#1011122 - 03/08/08 09:54 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Chris,
She's precious - congrats!

Rosa,
Yes, go for it. Don't just try, do it!
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#1011123 - 03/08/08 10:33 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Jazzwee - Question
Arping up on first chord and back down again using the second chord using the first chord 9th as a pivot, stopping the arp on the common of the second and third and going back up again using the third chord to it's 9th as a pivot, etc. Has my head exploded?
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#1011124 - 03/08/08 11:27 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by rosa2007:
Gang, here's my Evans 8th arps.

http://www.box.net/shared/rz5l78wg8k

Hope you can hear the accent on the offbeat! [/b]
Now we're talkin' Rosa! You've got it. Just work on making this a habit at all tempos.
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#1011125 - 03/08/08 11:40 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by rosa2007:
GREAT!!! Now I know I am on the right track.

While working on this offbeat accent, I am venturing onto a new song.

All the things you are -- LH 1/7 and RH 3rds:
http://www.box.net/shared/xf1zkank8c

The following is Shell voicing:
http://www.box.net/shared/y8i8r0mg4s

I am noticing the 2-5's now. This one has 2-5's every other measure. Does it mean that it's chaging key all the time?

I wonder if I can do Evans 8ths arps on this song. If so, then I have 2 songs to practise the accent. [/b]
Good job here Rosa. I can teach you more stuff to play this in a more sophisticated way for solo piano. But first, the changes are not the same. Maybe you picked up the chords from a different source, not a Real Book?

The first chords should be
Fm7, Bbm7, EbM7, AbM7...

Let's make sure first that we're using the standard chords. Then, on the LH, play 1,5 only, on the RH play 3 7 3. On the RH, you will play the melody on the pinky, which will mostly be a 3 and will match the thumb. The 7 is played by finger 1.

On each ii/V, the roles will reverse as you move the 7 a half step down from playing a ii chord, you will end up with 7 3 7 on the V chord. The only motion will be the 7 moving down a half step to the 3 of the new chord.

The left hand continues playing 1/5. Then when you have the confidence, you can expand this to 1/5/9.

This is very full sounding for solo piano. If you're soloing with this you can revert to shells again 1/7 on the LH. Shells work with this tune because the melody is almost always on the 3rd of the chord. So this is one of the better examples of good application of shell voicings.

I may refer to "All the things..." as ATTTYA for short cut \:D I really think this is an important tune to learn for jazz.

Congrats for starting this.
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#1011126 - 03/08/08 11:43 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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She's a Beautiful baby Chris! Yes I can see those pianist fingers already \:D
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#1011127 - 03/08/08 11:49 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Woody-Woodruff:
Jazzwee - Question
Arping up on first chord and back down again using the second chord using the first chord 9th as a pivot, stopping the arp on the common of the second and third and going back up again using the third chord to it's 9th as a pivot, etc. Has my head exploded? [/b]
Woody, no need to be over mathematical my friend. You start on the 3rd and you have at your disposable a stream of 8 notes. Depending on how you choose to play it, you can take the whole 8 notes to attack a full measure chord.

But remember that this is only an exercise. What I'd like to see is actually this being used in a solo. For a beginner, this could be the solo. In fact you could just change it around a little, repeat the notes, go opposite directions, and turn some notes into quarter notes.

So beyond being an exercise, it is not intended to pass a strict rule, since there isn't one. But it is a hell of a practical way to learn to solo.
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#1011128 - 03/08/08 01:03 PM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Thanks for those kind words everyone! Yes she has my fingers, so a 12th in both hands like Dad should not be a problem. I'll get back to you after she starts with Hanon next week.

All The Things You Are - is a fun tune to learn and work through. I'll happily join in later. Once I get my studio and keyboards to the other side of the flat.
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#1011129 - 03/09/08 12:07 AM Re: Jazz Study Group: Autumn Leaves, ATTYA, etc.
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Beautiful baby there Chris! Congrats.

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