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#1018864 - 02/06/05 04:05 PM David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
Randy88 Offline
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Registered: 01/31/05
Posts: 16
Loc: Alberta Canada
Has anybody ordered the "Pattern Piano and Keyboard" lessons by David Sprunger?? I was over at pianoforum.net which linked my over to his site. I was wondering if anybody had any testimonials, either good or bad, with regards to the course.
Thanks
Randy
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#1018865 - 02/07/05 12:43 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
Rodney Offline
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Randy,

I'm a piano/keyboard book/course junkie and this was one I purchased a couple of years ago. David's approach is to teach accompinament (not solo piano). He desicrebes a series of progressively more intricate left and right hand patterns and demonstrates the application of those patterns using the chord progressions of some well known songs. His idea is to demonstrate that with a library of patterns and a good knowledge of chords, one can accompany a singer without ever needing to learn to read music. If this is what you are interested in, then this is a VERY good introduction.

BTW:

David has an amazing singing voice which makes going through his DVD/tape a real pleasure.

Rodney

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#1018866 - 02/07/05 12:50 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
markb Offline
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Heheheh...Rodney, I just can't help but notice that you seem to have tried *every* method/program/book/course/instructional method ever published! You really are a great resource for people looking for material--I think you've been able to respond to questions on every program mentioned thus far!

edit: How would Sprunger compare/contrast with the Keyboard Accompaniment Course?
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#1018867 - 02/07/05 01:07 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
Rodney Offline
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markb,

It drives my wife nuts... ;-)

Seems like every week I'm getting another book/DVD/course/package in the mail that I just can't wait to open, browse through and then shelve in the collection. Pretty sure I've got them all (at least the inexpensive ones... but they do add up). Oh wait,.... I don't have the Sudnow method, so I guess I'll need to order another one.

This course is definately geared towards people who can't read music at all and have NO interest in playing clasical. The book is short with only a couple of tunes and he works out about 15 patterns. and a few chords. I guess the idea is that once he teaches the approach, you should go off and learn the rest on your own. I enjoyed the DVD/book and still find myself using some of the patterns learned when noodling around.

His method requires that you (or someone else sings/plays the melody) as this is pure accompinament. Doesn't really work for me as my singing voice is akin to a toad. :-))

BTW:

This course goes well with John Axsom's pattern course:

http://users.wireweb.net/green/pianolessons.htm

John includes a lot more patterns but expects you to have a little more skill in reading music.

Rodney

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#1018868 - 02/07/05 01:11 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
markb Offline
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Loc: Maryland
So far, I've exercised *some* restraint by not buying everything out there. But at least I have Sudnow (in addition to KAC and Lead Lines and Chord Changes, both of which you previously discussed)! And now you're forcing me to check out Axsom's pattern course.
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#1018869 - 02/07/05 05:19 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
Randy88 Offline
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Registered: 01/31/05
Posts: 16
Loc: Alberta Canada
Rodney...thanks for the response. I do in fact want to learn to read and play music to a high level (seems like an impossible task). I do however see the utility in gathering other skills such as understanding and utilizing chord progressions. If this course will give me some more tools for the toolbox then it is certainly worthwhile. I'll likely give it a try...
Thanks
Randy
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#1018870 - 02/08/05 08:31 AM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
Rodney Offline
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Speaking of Sudnow, if anyone is finished with the course and looking to sell their copy of the DVD/CDs, I'd be happy to take it off your hands.

Rodney

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#1018871 - 02/08/05 08:45 AM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
markb Offline
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Loc: Maryland
And that would complete your set, eh Rodney? ;\)
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#1018872 - 02/08/05 09:15 AM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
Rodney Offline
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Not even close,... there is a tonne of crap out there that I haven't even begun to dig in to. ;-)

The reality is I'm spending so much time working on sight reading and technique that I have NO time to even use the other material I have. I'll get back to some of the others after I get this sight reading thing down (does that mean never??).

The discussion on the forum has me curios though so I'd like to take a look at the course.

Rodney

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#1018873 - 02/09/05 11:50 AM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
Seaside_Lee Offline
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Registered: 06/19/04
Posts: 2166
Loc: Blackpool, UK
Hi guys

Just to add my 2 cents here

I have purchased quite a few courses this past 18 months and I have also purchased the "David Sprunger Pattern Piano" course.

I cannot sing either \:\( ...so, I'm afraid it has been left alone until the day I need to learn how to accompany a good singer...although I must say his blues course play-a-long thingy is purdy good IMHO.

I also tried "hear and play" and that involves learning to harmonize every melody note with inversions ...and has also been left on the back burner...just way too much work for me to get my head around...I'll probably re-visit the course sometime in the future.

So far the best course for me has been pianomagic.com which has the benefit of daily help within its forums from Mike and the members (including me ;\) ). If you want to learn how to play by ear melody and chords then I cannot recommend it enough \:\)


If you want to learn how to play jazz piano?...there is a lot of good stuff at "learnjazzpiano.com"


regards


Lee \:\)
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#1018874 - 02/10/05 08:58 AM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
markb Offline
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Registered: 10/29/04
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Loc: Maryland
Seaside, I was hoping you could provide some information about pianomagic.com. I checked out the site but wouldn't mind hearing from you a brief description of how the course is organized, what it entails, etc. At this point, nothing's going to replace my lessons, but I'd like to have the ability to provide an accompaniment to popular music.
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#1018875 - 02/10/05 09:25 AM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
Seaside_Lee Offline
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Registered: 06/19/04
Posts: 2166
Loc: Blackpool, UK
Hi markb

Mikes course is probably very different to any other course that is out there? It is *his* method of playing that he devised and it is the way he has played since a child.

It wasn't until he had a dream over 10 years ago that he finally realized how he could show people how to see music like he sees it ...how most songs are very similar and how they mainly follow similar rules (some people get IT within weeks others like me are slower and get IT in a few months)

He teaches you to play by ear ...how to work out the melody line and the chords ...how to play with rhythm and differing rhythms. He teaches you how music thinks which, will free you from sheet music if that is what you want?

The basics are very easy to pick up \:\) ...the course is structured in a way that playing should always be fun and to be frank it is the most fun I've ever had! (I am now addicted to playing the piano...I need my daily fix...I'm grouchy when I don't play it..heck, I even visit other piano forums! and it has cost me a fortune in new pianos! ;\) )

IMHO the main value of pianomagic is the member forums where everyone who posts there is learning to play in the same way and will help you (or me) get to where we want to be...Mike answers any questions you have through the forums (also by email or you can even phone him!)and everyone gets to learn along with you(I have asked loads of questions and Mike and the gang have helped me all the way).

Its a little like having your own private piano teacher 24/7... he encourages you to send him recordings so, he can help guide you and if they are good enough they get posted in the recital hall for everyone to comment (praise or constructively criticize)

I presently have 13 songs \:D in the recital hall which actually timeline and demonstrate my ever improving ability and the ability of all the other members for all newbies to hear which is very encouraging.

When I joined pianomagic I hadn't touched a piano for over 30 years and my only memories of piano were my scary piano teacher and her 120 year old mother rocking in a chair behind me during lessons and my dear mum (who is probably watching down on me now with pride) insisting that I practise for 1/2 an hour most days.

I packed in the piano a long time ago and have regretted it all my adult life...my 5 year old son starting lessons was the flame that rekindled my yearning to play myself and remembering that as child I tried in vain to play by ear accidently led me to "pianomagic" which for me was a very fortunate accident.


Hope that helps?

regards

Lee


P.S.

If you would like to hear how I can play? ...just email me and "I'll put my money where my mouth is" ;\) and gladly send you some midis of my latest stuff ( honestly...if I can do it anyone can!)
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#1018876 - 02/10/05 10:34 AM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
dgoddard2 Offline
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Registered: 09/08/04
Posts: 484
Loc: los angeles
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Originally posted by markb:
At this point, nothing's going to replace my lessons, but I'd like to have the ability to provide an accompaniment to popular music. [/b]
Mark, I can sense that you are weakening, about to buy yet another "play by ear" type piano course. O.K., I would try to talk you down, but I am tempted myself . . .

Doug
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#1018877 - 02/10/05 10:36 AM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
markb Offline
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Registered: 10/29/04
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Loc: Maryland
Darn that Rodney! I just keep hoping against hope that there's somebody or something out there that can teach me how to play this blasted instrument!
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#1018878 - 02/10/05 11:24 AM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
Seaside_Lee Offline
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Registered: 06/19/04
Posts: 2166
Loc: Blackpool, UK
markb


I can't stress enough ...*he will* and when you get IT! and learn how music thinks...all those other courses you've bought will just be extra ammunition ...why don't you try phoning him ;\)


Lee \:\)
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#1018879 - 02/10/05 12:02 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
Rodney Offline
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Loc: Caledon ON, Canada
:-))

So I'm not the only "method/course" junkie out there.

While I keep looking for the magic bullet that will make playing this thing easier, there doesn't appear to be enough time to try out these cure-alls. I'm already practicing 2 hours a day (every day) just to make tiny little improvements, or at least prevent from going backwards.

Lee has almost got me sold on purchasing/signing up for yet another one but I just can't imagine how I would find the time.

The funny thing is that I'm sure I would enjoy, and progress a lot quicker with these alternative methods. I'm so stubborn/thick skulled/pig headed/intense/... (did I miss any) that I just can't admit that classical training might not be right for me.

The first (alternative) book I purchased was "How to Play from a Fake Book" and within a few hours at the keyboard (after reading the first few chapters) I was performing something that sounded remarkably like music (at least to my ears) and I was having fun doing it. Even now it can take me 2 weeks or more to learn a new (grade 3) piece that is comprised of only 16-20 bars using classical training (reading grand staff sheet music) and the fun only begins after the 2 weeks when it starts to come together.

I've switched to focusing on sight reading but it doesn't feel like I'm making any progress because it still takes the same time to get a simple piece up to speed.

I think that one has to choose a method that works for them and stick with it. All of these courses have merit and will likely work if given the right amount of dedication, focus and practice.

I'm now off to browse the pianosmagic.com web site as it might just be time to expand my collection of methods waiting on the shelf for that extra free time that never seems to come.


Rodney

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#1018880 - 02/10/05 12:22 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
markb Offline
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You make some good points, Rodney. For those of us with limited time (and I'm sure that's pretty much all of us), we really need to focus on what makes us happy. I think I'm going to talk to my teacher at tomorrow's lesson and see if we can restructure the lessons so I'm doing a popular/classical mix. I suppose this will detract from really getting good in either one, but I can't see focusing almost exclusively on one, and I think learning any style of music will have at least some benefit in learning the other. I also can't see giving up traditional lessons. I had pretty much standard clarinet, drum, piano, and guitar lessons, so it would be difficult to change my ways, and I'm pretty sure that wouldn't be my best course, anyway.

Of the several "alternative" books and methods I've explored, I've learned a little something different from each one.

Jack of all trades, master of none.
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#1018881 - 02/10/05 12:26 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
Rodney Offline
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Loc: Caledon ON, Canada
For those who enjoy the "Chord method"/"Faking"/"Playing by Ear",... there is a great tutorial on learning all the chords you could ever want at:

http://psrtutorial.com/Resources/R_ChordSecrets/r_chordsecrets.html

Rodney

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#1018882 - 02/10/05 12:42 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
Seaside_Lee Offline
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Registered: 06/19/04
Posts: 2166
Loc: Blackpool, UK
You know what guys?

I often browse this site and I join in a few of the threads and I'm afraid it does make me sad when I hear of how many of you struggle and how your practise time sounds like torture ...hannon this?...scale that?

It doesn't have to be that way....I promise...once you start to see what I can see ...its like riding a bike and the torture is over!

Then the only problem is you'll be like me ;\) ...I just can't play enough...keyboard at work (I own a gym) and CLP170 at home ...24 hour days are just not enough...grrrr!


Lee
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#1018883 - 02/10/05 12:48 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
markb Offline
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Loc: Maryland
Alright, Lee, fess up. You get a kickback from pianomagic, yes? ;\)
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#1018884 - 02/10/05 01:32 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
Seaside_Lee Offline
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Registered: 06/19/04
Posts: 2166
Loc: Blackpool, UK
markb !!!!

Hey, you are right I am on a big commission \:D

only kidding ;\)

I wish?...

I know it probably all sounds to good to be true!...yes?

So, I tell you what I'll do ...if you join and find that I am not a member...that I haven't got 13 songs in the recital hall...that I didn't join on October 1st 2003 (and my "hello" message on the forums is there to prove it \:\) )...and if I have not posted more questions than any other member at the site (which I have ;\) )

then :-


*I personally will repay you the membership fee*

And if you do join I would like you to tell everyone who is reading this thread that what I have said is honest...okay?


Lee \:\)
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#1018885 - 02/10/05 01:36 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
markb Offline
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Loc: Maryland
Lee, you drive a hard bargain. If I join, I agree to your terms and conditions.
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#1018886 - 02/10/05 02:01 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
Seaside_Lee Offline
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Registered: 06/19/04
Posts: 2166
Loc: Blackpool, UK
Good

you better join!..I want my next $$$million erm...well... that would be the first actually ;\)

Lee
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#1018887 - 02/11/05 08:20 AM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
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Aaarrrggghhhh! Must keep credit card in wallet. . . Must not sign up for another "if you only learn chords playing piano will be easy" course. . . .

Sigh. Mark, I'll post next week and tell you what it looks like. I'm doomed to try it this weekend.

Doug
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#1018888 - 02/11/05 08:40 AM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
markb Offline
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Please post soon, Doug, as temptation is strong and I might sign up, too.

BTW, I'm thinking of setting up a support group for method addicts (not methadone addicts). Please let me know if you're interested.
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#1018889 - 02/11/05 08:45 AM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials?
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Originally posted by markb:
Please post soon, Doug, as temptation is strong and I might sign up, too.

BTW, I'm thinking of setting up a support group for method addicts (not methadone addicts). Please let me know if you're interested. [/b]
Join? I figured I would be the poster child.

Doug
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#1480616 - 07/24/10 03:00 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials? [Re: Seaside_Lee]
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I just started the beginner David Sprunger course. Does he eventually get into teaching you to improvise, or how to learn a song you don't have sheet music for?

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#1911485 - 06/10/12 02:59 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials? [Re: Randy88]
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I ordered it recently and am really enjoying it. I play reeds but have always wanted to play piano. Late last year, I was diagnosed with colon cancer. To show I was serious about living for the long-term I ran out and bought a brand new, expensive bed with a 25 year guarantee and a Yamaha P-95B keyboard. I purchased Maran's Illustrated Piano and The Piano Improvisation Handbook: a practical guide to musical invention by Carl Humphries. All of these are good resources but I'm concentrating on David's course to help get me off the ground.

I have a smattering of theory and I can read music. My biggest challenges include getting my head into using the left and right hand independently (saxaphones are fingered sequentially)and reading piano music vertically as well as horizontally.

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#1911595 - 06/10/12 08:12 PM Re: David Sprunger's course "Pattern Piano and Keyboard"--any testimonials? [Re: Randy88]
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For Rodney and the others who have learned an chord accompaniment style, but want to play solo piano/fake book style:

If you know and are comfortable with all of your chord inversions, it's really a matter of putting the melody note on top and filling in the chord under that with whatever inversion is nearest. So if the melody is an E with a C chord, just play the E on top and the C and G under it. This is an easy way to get started, and you can get into all kinds of complex chord options, but I wanted you guys to know that it's not that far of a leap from chord theory to solo piano playing.
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