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#1025016 - 07/10/08 01:04 PM does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
alleon Offline
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like typing on a keyboard. When i just need to think about the words and my hands will automatically, without thinking, move and press on the keys.

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#1025017 - 07/10/08 01:50 PM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
Santiago Magarinos Offline
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Registered: 06/18/08
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Good question.

That´s something i have always wondered.

I think of music as a language. A subjective emotional language.

I associate improvising, with poetry and sightreading with reading.

I believe that if you play for a long period of time ( don´t know if more or less than 10 years ) you will eventually develop skills similar to those you have in language. In music there are not such a things as words, because words don´t have unlimited meanings as MUSICAL PHRASES do.

But i think that after a certain period, if you think for example, G major scale from A, two octaves, you will play it as fast as you want without thinking much about it.

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#1025018 - 07/10/08 01:59 PM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
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Like keyboard typing? I sincerely hope not. \:\)

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#1025019 - 07/10/08 02:19 PM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
sotto voce Offline
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Originally posted by alleon:
like typing on a keyboard. When i just need to think about the words and my hands will automatically, without thinking, move and press on the keys.

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I think it's a sensible comparison. You'll still know where the keys are; if you were a good sight-reader, you should still find that the music goes in the eyes and out the fingers without having to think about what key to press or where it is.

For a while, though, you'll be lacking some amount of control, dexterity and stamina—just like if you went ten years without typing.

Steven
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#1025020 - 07/10/08 02:24 PM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
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Yes, The same thing. It's all finger muscle memory. You don't visualize the words then type them, it just comes out. It's the same once you have the music "under your fingers". It's what all that practice is all about. Muscle memory.
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#1025021 - 07/10/08 02:30 PM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
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Yes, and I don't think it will take 10 years, either.
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#1025022 - 07/10/08 02:47 PM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
sotto voce Offline
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Monica's response made me realize I misunderstood the question. Dang, I thought you were returning to piano after a ten-year absence. Never mind!

New response: What Monica said—and Woody, too, though I'm used to associating "muscle memory" with pieces already learned. Obviously, it applies to sight-reading, too.

Steven
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#1025023 - 07/10/08 03:46 PM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
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If you practice diligently you should have a very good internal map of the keys much sooner than ten years from now. I only need to "look" or "think about it" while I'm learning leaps and such from the outer extremes of the keyboard.
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#1025024 - 07/10/08 05:38 PM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
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I think there are a lot of similarities: posture, hand position, developed muscle memory. I took up piano long before I began typing so learning how to touch type was a breeze for me - 105+ accurate words per minute and I credit the piano for this ability.

A lot of people develop carpel tunnel syndrome from typing. Despite hours at the typewriter, this never was a problem for me because I had already learned proper posture and hand and wrist position.

The more you use neural pathways, the more complex they become. I suspect anyone who is moving from the piano to the typewriter or typewriter to piano would have a definite advantage.
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#1025025 - 07/10/08 08:17 PM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
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I've been playing piano for over 6 years and ...well ......it didn't take me 6 years to learn to touch-type (more like 3 months)....... and I don't think it helped my piano playing at all. There's so much more geography to cover on a piano, so much more coordination, so much more control required...and backspace doesn't work so great either!!! \:D
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#1025026 - 07/10/08 09:01 PM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
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I'm a much better pianist than typist. (Thank God!) I don't think there's any real skill transfer from typing to piano or vice versa.
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#1025027 - 07/10/08 09:23 PM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
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I sure hope piano isn't like typing. If it is, I'll have to put a backspace key on my piano! \:D

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#1025028 - 07/10/08 10:14 PM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
babushka Offline
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Registered: 04/24/08
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Well, my typing keyboard style is, once I know what I want to say, to type very fast - and very inaccurately. Then comes the rather mechanical correcting of typos. This is probably not a good technique for piano playing. Unfortunately my fingers do someimtes take off too fast at the piano resulting in an astonishing array of wrong notes!

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#1025029 - 07/10/08 10:17 PM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
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I don't think typing is a good comparison.

A better comparison is learning a language. At first, you speak and read the new language slowly, only capable of simple grammar, with a limited vocabulary. As your proficiency grows, you can speak more fluently, using more complexities and with a much greater number of words.

You might think of notes as words, figures as clauses, phrases as sentences, movements as paragraphs or chapters ...

Mary
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#1025030 - 07/11/08 07:39 AM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
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like typing on a keyboard. When i just need to think about the words and my hands will automatically, without thinking, move and press on the keys.
Yes, but that depends both on how you type and how you learn music, as well as what kind of music you want to make.

I'm with you, the PC keyboard is simply an extension of my thinking about what I'm writing; I don't think about where the keys are unless I'm having to type QWERTY (rather than Dvorak, which I prefer). When I have to use a QWERTY keyboard, my thinking changes because then I have to think about letters instead of words / phrases.

There are equivalent elements in music, both in reading other people's music and in making your own. The more familiar you become with the piano keyboard, the more automatically you will reach for the "right" sounds to create what it is that is in your mind, or on the printed page.

I suspect the biggest element is that you have to know it's possible, and put the attention into learning it. I know far too many people who have been using PC keyboards for years who never attended to learning to touch type (Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing!) and as a result, they're still looking at the keyboard, and they don't realize the nature of the handicap they impose on themselves. I'm seeing something similar as I start to memorize music, rather than simply reading it off the page.

YMMV. Good luck.

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#1025031 - 07/11/08 12:51 PM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
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Registered: 03/25/06
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Loc: Georgia, USA
I have really enjoyed learning to play the piano (not that I can play all that well \:\) ). I wish I had pursued learning to play the piano years ago.

Like anything we learn to do, we get better at it the more we do it. The old saying “practice makes perfect” comes to mine (but, of course we never reach “perfection”; it is a theoretical term).

The more I play my piano, the more comfortable I get with the feel of the keys under my hands. The cord changes seem to come more natural and freely. In fact, I just love to put my hands on the keys and feel of them as I play. Is this what they call “caressing” the keys or tickling the ivories? \:D

Best regards,

Rickster
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#1025032 - 07/14/08 12:29 PM Re: does playing piano after 10 years feel like this?
rockpeter Offline
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I've learnt to type over 15 yrs ago approx.
When typing a report, and delicately hitting the beginning letters like a pianossimo then rushing it to its finale with a Fortissimo period. That's typing ! That's creativity !

Typing is not so different \:\)

Peter
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