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#103087 - 07/17/08 02:38 AM Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
tanjinjack Offline
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Registered: 01/09/08
Posts: 846
Loc: Malaysia
In search of my piano, I have once again take Kawai as an option. (Before that, I was hoping on an European piano)

Been to the website and read some comments on Kawai's in this forum, I know that GE series definitely has differences between RX series.
I am now considering a grand piano with a length of about 6'.

I would like to know on the difference between these two models. RX2 is 5'10" while RX3 is 6'1".
What's the difference in the 3"?

I am not sure about the price, but certainly there will be a difference in price. Does the extra 3" worth it?

Bear, I hope you can give me some advices if you happen to read this post.
Thanks...

(yet, another kawai post)

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#103088 - 07/17/08 03:17 AM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
koiloco Offline
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Registered: 03/16/08
Posts: 622
Loc: California
a lot of ppl looking at both and went with RX2
cuz they could not see any diff in tone coming from the extra 3" but the saving is around 2 - 3 K.

RX2 is an amazing piano. I tried it out and liked it a lot.

Of course, if space and budget allows, go for the RX3. It'll officially be a 'grand' piano while RX2 is stilled consider by some ppl a baby grand.

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#103089 - 07/17/08 04:40 AM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
Bear 1 Offline
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Registered: 07/28/06
Posts: 1348
Loc: Hillsboro Beach South Florida
Hi tanjinjack,

The main differences between all RX series grands is the size.
The length. { size } Think "Same sausage, different length."

The top notch materials are the same, the quality is the same, the prep is the same, the workmanship is the same, etc. etc.
Kawai RX differences in size does not make a "bigger is better" piano. The larger the piano, for the most part, the louder and more resonate it can be.

To answer your question, the main difference between the
RX-2, 5'10" and the RX-3, 6'1" is the 3 inch longer length.

The size of the room and the acoustics of that particular room, where t the piano will live in, will have some bearing regarding the size of piano to select.

Is it worth the price difference? I don't know. That can only be answered by the prospective buyer that's auditioning the pianos. The subjective touch and tone enters the picture now.
Many folks will select the RX-3 after comparing them, however many other people will select the RX-2. Who made the best decision? They both did, for in this case one is not better than the other just subjectively different. I will say this, World Wide, the Kawai RX-2 grands are Kawai's top selling RX grands.

If you have a chance to play the Shigeru Kawai SK-2 and SK-3. you will notice a significant difference between them and the standard Kawai RX-2 And RX-3.
The Shigeru is considered, by many, to be able to hold it's own when compared to the top tier pianos. The Shigeru Kawais are pretty much hand built, handcrafted, tweaked and prepped beyond belief, Yes they are expensive, but not nearly as expensive as some of the brands they compete with.

Anyway play the Kawai RX series grands and play some other brands too, then buy the piano you like the best. \:\)

Hope this will be of some help for you.

Cordially,

Bear

P.S. Off Topic:
My wife and I had a wonderful time in Kuala Lumpur a few years ago. Very friendly people, good food, interesting beautiful city, the magnificent Petronas Twin Towers, the night market, the ultra modern airport, and so much more. We stayed at the wonderful Ritz-Carlton right in the middle of town.
We would like to return for a visit again some day. \:\)

Best wishes,

Bear
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#103090 - 07/17/08 07:30 AM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
tanjinjack Offline
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Registered: 01/09/08
Posts: 846
Loc: Malaysia
Oh, then I might as well can conclude RX series will be different (better than) with GE series as well?
I know some goes for RX2 because they can't afford the size of RX3.
However, given a room that can fit a RX2, then fitting another extra 3 inches won't be a problem for the sounds right?

I have once played a GE30 and quite like it. Played some several used grand of Kawai also but it just doesn't sound nice (dealers did not and refuse tune them.)

I have a room, which is at my new house, specially for a piano. It's about 100sq feet i think (sorry, don't really have idea on these), so, basically what size of piano can be placed there?
(i even consider of placing two uprights, lol)
(i will make an accurate measurement when my next visit to my new house which i haven't moved into)

Thanks for the advice Bear!

PS Off Topic:
You could come and visit the northern Malaysia. You might not see sky scrapers around, but definitely super delicious food. Night market is almost everywhere in Malaysia. I would recommend you Penang, a nice modernised island in the Northern part.

regards,
-jin jack-

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#103091 - 07/17/08 09:33 AM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
slapper Offline
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Registered: 05/11/08
Posts: 40
Loc: Singapore
I too, like you, had to make a decision on which RX to get. But mine is between the RX-1 and RX-2. I totally agree with koiloco. Space is an important factor when considering a grand piano. It is quite pointless to buy a giant only to realise that the room where it should be placed is not able to handle it. I settled for the RX-2 ultimately, as my dealer felt that it is the largest i should go for, putting into consideration the length of my room.

If you are still uncertain, try both the RX-2 and RX-3 and see if you can notice any stark differences and whether the price difference is justifiable.
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Kawai RX-2 with Millennium III Action

YouTube Recordings:

Bach Prelude & Fugue in C BWV846 WTC 1 (Kawai RX-2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP668WETE_g

Chopin Ballade No.1 in G Min (Yamaha U1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iiss9X0iyjs

Chopin Waltz No.14 In E Min, (Kawai RX-2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyBKHwvwUhY

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#103092 - 07/17/08 11:28 AM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
tanjinjack Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/09/08
Posts: 846
Loc: Malaysia
slapper, how big is your room?
and, how do you feel on the actions of kawai utilising the ABS carbons?

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#103093 - 07/17/08 12:40 PM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
MusicBud Offline
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Registered: 03/23/06
Posts: 276
Loc: Toronto, Canada
tanjinjack,

I too, had the same situation a few months ago in choosing between RX-2 or RX-3 after considering a few brands. I tried both RX-2 and RX-3 side-by-side and I liked RX-3 more on the sound. RX-3 is C$5,000+ more than the RX-2 and it took a few weeks for me to make the dicision. My living/piano room is 10x20 sqft so there is no problem for the RX-3. Never regret the decision \:\) .

Good luck !
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Kawai RX-3, UST-9.

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#103094 - 07/17/08 01:25 PM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
tanjinjack Offline
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Registered: 01/09/08
Posts: 846
Loc: Malaysia
MusicBud,

C$5000 means about 15k in MYR. That's a big money.
Why is such a big difference?
How much you buy for your RX3.

Regards,
-jin jack-

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#103095 - 07/17/08 03:52 PM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
jerryho Offline
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Registered: 11/02/03
Posts: 101
Loc: San Francisco, California
I am not trying to hijack the thread.... but would comparing a Kawai RX5 vs RX3 be similar as a RX3 vs Rx2 ?

thanks.

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#103096 - 07/17/08 08:13 PM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
slapper Offline
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Registered: 05/11/08
Posts: 40
Loc: Singapore
My room is 8.6'wide and 18.4'long. But there are other furniture in the room, have to take that into consideration as well.

I love the mil III action. Compared it against the GE-30 and GM-10, you can tell the difference in the responsiveness!
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Kawai RX-2 with Millennium III Action

YouTube Recordings:

Bach Prelude & Fugue in C BWV846 WTC 1 (Kawai RX-2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP668WETE_g

Chopin Ballade No.1 in G Min (Yamaha U1)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iiss9X0iyjs

Chopin Waltz No.14 In E Min, (Kawai RX-2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyBKHwvwUhY

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#103097 - 07/17/08 08:31 PM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
MusicBud Offline
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Registered: 03/23/06
Posts: 276
Loc: Toronto, Canada
 Quote:
Originally posted by tanjinjack:
MusicBud,

C$5000 means about 15k in MYR. That's a big money.
Why is such a big difference?
How much you buy for your RX3.

Regards,
-jin jack- [/b]
Jin Jack,

Different prices in different areas, for example, I heard that Japanese pianos are much cheaper in Asia than in North America. In L. Fine's piano supplement 2007-08, RX-3 is suggested at US$30,790. Give it a 20% off is very much close to my cost, remember that we have a 13% sales taxes.

Slapper, GE30 now has the Millenium III action.

Regards.
_________________________
Kawai RX-3, UST-9.

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#103098 - 07/17/08 08:48 PM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
Xpress Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 04/24/08
Posts: 18
The RX-3 is only 3 inches longer but its soundboard area is significantly larger.

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#103099 - 07/17/08 10:25 PM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
tanjinjack Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 01/09/08
Posts: 846
Loc: Malaysia
 Quote:
Originally posted by Xpress:
The RX-3 is only 3 inches longer but its soundboard area is significantly larger. [/b]
Xpress, can you elaborate more on it.
Yes, certainly the soundboard is larger, but does that worth the extra money?
The increase in area of soundboard will mostly probably increase its dynamics. Tone wise, how much can it improve by that 3 inches?

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#103100 - 07/18/08 12:04 AM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
snoopycar Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/17/06
Posts: 976
Loc: Singapore
If soundbound is also 3" longer at the tail side,
that'll mean about 3x24 area.

But if 3" longer starting from the wide side,
you'd get more area eg 3" x 4feet !!!
Wow !!
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#103101 - 07/18/08 04:20 AM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
Axtremus Offline
6000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/29/03
Posts: 6150
 Quote:
Originally posted by jerryho:

I am not trying to hijack the thread.... but would comparing a Kawai RX5 vs RX3 be similar as a RX3 vs Rx2 ?
My subjective perception is that the performance difference going from RX-3 to RX-5 is more significant than the performance difference going from RX-2 to RX-3.

In any case, it's still best to play them yourself and trust your own ears/fingers.

Good luck. \:\)
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www.PianoRecital.org -- my piano recordings

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#103102 - 07/19/08 01:07 AM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
Xpress Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 04/24/08
Posts: 18
The size of RX-3 soundboard is closer to RX-5 than RX-2. I think RX-3 does sound louder than RX-2 but not clearer. RX-5 sounds much clearer and sweeter than RX-3.

RX-1 5'5 1814 square inch
RX-2 5'10 1907
RX-3 6'1 2062
RX-5 6'6 2186

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#103103 - 07/19/08 10:33 AM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
BCCL Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 04/12/08
Posts: 3
Loc: Canada
Hi MusicBud,

I am living in Toronto and would like to know how much you paid for Rx3? I am considering buying Rx-2 or Rx-1 few months later but sale staffs refused to quote me final price unless I am a serious buyer (that means I need to buy the piano immediately.)

How many dealers you went before you made your decision?

Thanks

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#103104 - 07/19/08 11:46 AM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
MusicBud Offline
Full Member

Registered: 03/23/06
Posts: 276
Loc: Toronto, Canada
Hi BCCL,

See my answer to jinjack above for the price. Which dealer you went to ? I visited a few dealers before making my purchase. Please PM me if you need further information.

Regards.
_________________________
Kawai RX-3, UST-9.

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#103105 - 07/19/08 05:20 PM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
RoseMe Offline
Full Member

Registered: 06/23/08
Posts: 152
Loc: CA
I am not sure if size increase has EVERYTHING to do with the sound difference. When I tried RX2(5'10) to RX3(6'1), the sound difference was there, but not as big as the difference I heard comparing RX2 to a GS30 (also 6'1). I suspect other variables, like quality of the parts and preparation work, have also a lot to do with the sound difference.

Bottom line is that you really need to hear and play those candidate pianos yourself to decide which model makes most sense for your needs.

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#103106 - 07/19/08 07:50 PM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
Three that play Offline
Full Member

Registered: 06/23/08
Posts: 23
Since I just came from the Kawai dealership in Colorado (Bob Baker's), I just wanted to share his RX-2's are $15,500. Not sure about his RX3s. Just paid $11,650 for a GE-30 today.

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#103107 - 07/20/08 01:41 PM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
tanjinjack Offline
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Registered: 01/09/08
Posts: 846
Loc: Malaysia
My room is about 200sq feet large. 14 X 14. The entrance is about 7 feet wide, and a curtain will be added to it. How big of a piano should I get?

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#103108 - 07/20/08 05:14 PM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
Roy123 Offline
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Registered: 09/20/04
Posts: 1695
Loc: Massachusetts
 Quote:
Originally posted by tanjinjack:
My room is about 200sq feet large. 14 X 14. The entrance is about 7 feet wide, and a curtain will be added to it. How big of a piano should I get? [/b]
Your question has no answer. Some small pianos can be harsh and loud. Some large pianos can be quieter and more mellow. A larger soundboard does not, per se, provide a louder midrange and treble, but mostly the potential for a fuller bass. I once owned an old Wurlitzer console--a small piano whose midrange and treble were loud and piercing--yech!

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#103109 - 07/21/08 02:34 AM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
RoseMe Offline
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Registered: 06/23/08
Posts: 152
Loc: CA
In general Kawai pianos have mellower and richer sound than others so it should not be overpowering in a 200sf room.

The sound is affected a lot by the choice of flooring. Do you have carpet or hard floor in that room?

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#103110 - 07/21/08 06:53 AM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
alleon Offline
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Registered: 10/16/07
Posts: 70
i quote for 23000$ for a rx2 at a kawai dealership located at vacnouver, canada.

and he said that price is already highly discounted.

I guesss, from reading replies here, i got scamed.

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#103111 - 07/21/08 07:17 AM Re: Kawai RX-2 vs RX-3
tanjinjack Offline
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Registered: 01/09/08
Posts: 846
Loc: Malaysia
Surely is a hard floor. My mum cannot stand carpet and it's very less likely Asian countries actually have full carpeting throughout one room.
Nonetheless, one side of the room is actually sliding glass door (with curtains). Besides Kawai, I do consider other brands and I do prefer a mellower tone. So, what size would be the best?
I am taking into consideration of Wagner HG178 and also HG198 (Both are in fact Hailun). Is the HG198 too big for the room? Most probably I will have my hands on these Hailun/Wagner by this weekend.

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