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#1053604 - 10/24/08 03:48 PM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
sotto voce Offline
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Hunky,

I am so very glad you shared, for the reasons Kymber and Betty already offered.

Even though Gyro can always be counted upon to be consistently, aggressively and absurdly contrarian, there's no way of predicting in which threads he will choose to appear. He can't limit himself to areas in which he has something to contribute (like prices and features of digital pianos), and instead weighs in regularly as a self-styled expert on everything from linguistics and pedagogy to medicine!

It is outrageous to deny that a medical condition has medical basis, and outrageously hurtful to minimize and belittle its impact on anyone suffering from it. FWIW, I, too, have a chronic condition of the sort that can go dormant for decades but is manageable owing to the miracles of modern medicine (yes, Western medicine \:o ). But if undetected and untreated until it manifests itself—as Gyro would apparently advocate—it can be lethal.

It takes a certain courage and leap of faith to make personal disclosures in a public forum; my own revelation of chronic depression was treated with unexpected skepticism and even ignorance by more than poster here last summer. Nevertheless, you should have every expectation of sympathy and support from what is, after all, a caring community. I applaud your candor, and I couldn't be more sympathetic and supportive about what you're dealing with.

Steven
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#1053605 - 10/24/08 04:04 PM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
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"chronic depression"

Steven,
Another illness people can't comprehend unless they experience it. I wish you well also. I know how difficult chronic depression can be to deal with just from seeing friends lives basically fall apart in front of my eyes. What is so difficult for me is that I understand to small extent how they feel (I get occassional 'bouts of mild depression-I think it runs in my family) there's isnt alot I can do to help them, except to be a sympathetic ear.
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#1053606 - 10/24/08 04:59 PM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
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Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
Gyro, are you insane? seriously.
Gyro is an example of everything that can go wrong in forums. His totally insulting response to your very real problems is perhaps the most serious example of that.

PLEASE give him the attention he deserves. None.
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#1053607 - 10/24/08 05:34 PM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
Busy Bee Offline
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Wow, I can't begin to imagine the level of insensitivity that Gyro must feel. That is hitting below the belt. I just don't know what to say except wow, wow, wow...

Gyro, you do realize that at some point in this lifetime you will face what you have given and I don't think I would want to be in your shoes!

Hunky,

Like I said above...

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#1053608 - 10/24/08 06:30 PM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
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Super-hunky: Classy response to an insensitive post.

We got your back. :2hearts:
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#1053609 - 10/24/08 08:19 PM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
Carol I. Offline
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Super-hunky, don't give those posts any further thought. That kind of warped attitude is a way bigger problem for him than anyone else. We're all behind you completely.

Carol
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#1053610 - 10/24/08 08:25 PM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
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Everybody is spot on. Ignore Gyro. As Gary D. pointed out, he deserves no attention. \:\)
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#1053611 - 10/24/08 08:57 PM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
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Reading the interesting - but really sad - discussion on Lyme disease, I raise the question whether anyone has ever experienced whilst going to sleep what is known as 'hypnogogic non-psychotic musical hallucinations'?

After an accident overseas, fortunately now well in the past, I was precribed whilst rehabilitating a common anti-depressant medication. It was established that this was the cause of hearing distinct music when going to sleep. Once the medication was withdrawn it stopped - never to re-occur.

Recently there has been quite a lot written in professional journals about so-called 'musical hallucinations' of this non-psychotic type that affect sleep. (See e.g. "The Psychopathology of Musical Hallucinations" R. Mahendran, Singapore Med. Jornal, 2007, Vol. 48, No. 2. pp. 68 - 70 - passim). I will happily send a copy for anyone's personal interest and/or study.

Let me say it was really scary at the tie. The 'music' heard all was strongly tonic (no pun intended) based, and loosely late romantic in style, richly orchestrated. It apparently affects different persons differently.

Sleep is precious for everyone - and when I am tired my musical ability suffers markedly - hence my feeling deeply for those afflicted with **any** type of insomnia.

But given the thread and "Pianoworld" generally, I would be really interested if anyone elsehas had hynogogic, i.e. 'going to sleep' musical hallucinations as I have described?

And if so - whether in the case of those whose living is based on piano teaching/performing, such music was perhaps piano based?

All the best from an unusually warm Victorian spring!

ILH
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#1053612 - 10/25/08 02:57 AM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
Elssa Offline
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Hi S-H:

When I was sick, I went to a lot of doctors who would pooh-pooh my symptoms (inability to digest food and extreme loss of weight, fatigue, etc.). I found that when doctors, and people in general, are ignorant, they tend to say "it's all in your head", rather than admit that they don't know what the problem is or what to do about it. It turned out that in addition to the Giardia, (and most likely caused by the Giardia/chronic inflammation), I had a tumor the "size of a football" in my abdominal cavity that needed extensive surgery. It had taken over a year and a dozen doctors previously to get anyone to take my symptoms seriously. They all said it was "stress" and tried to put me on some lousy psychotropic medication. I've heard of so many people going through the same thing, so we're not alone. You can probably even see your swollen inflamed joints, in addition to feeling them. A lot of scientists these days think that chronic infection of bacteria, as with Lyme, or other organism is the cause of most disease these days, including heart disease (probably made worse by today's common high sugar/grain diet). Sad that some people have no compassion (or education) about all this, isn't it? Wishing you all the best. \:\)

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#1053613 - 10/25/08 03:04 AM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
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Originally posted by Elssa:
A lot of scientists these days think that chronic infection of bacteria, as with Lyme, or other organism is the cause of most disease these days, including heart disease (probably made worse by today's common high sugar/grain diet). [/b]
Interesting, do tell us more.
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#1053614 - 10/25/08 03:05 AM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
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Aha. Beat you to Sir btb!
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#1053615 - 10/25/08 04:10 AM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
pixy Offline
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Registered: 09/03/08
Posts: 72
Loc: Rochester, UK
I just wanted to join all the good wishes expressed by the forum members.
I really appreciate you, and always enjoyed your posts spiced with your sense of humor.
Just ignore Gyro. He often annoys me, so I opted out for stopping reading his posts, they are absolutely worthless IMHO. Do not let the moody Mr Grumpy obscure the warm feeling showed of everybody else.

All the best for you. Hope that you get better.
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#1053616 - 10/25/08 06:53 AM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
Boira Offline
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Registered: 07/09/07
Posts: 472
Loc: Barcelona
Oh my.
I'm still trying to assimilate Gyro's post. It's beyond the realm of common sense

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#1053617 - 10/25/08 07:39 AM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
keystring Offline
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Loc: Canada
Hunky,
Don't discount what you have done. You are an example of courage, perseverence - you are going after what you want to do despite all that, always aiming for your goals. How many people reading your story, and also having read your numerous lighter things where you are nonetheless fully involved in music, will be touched by this? How many are struggling against unknown things? How many may be focusing on half empty glasses instead of half full ones? How many people have you helped and inspired, and continue doing so, simply by having shared this?

You know better than to take that nonsense seriously - though it is more than normal to have been stung; sheesh, who wouldn't be!

Gyro, that kind of wishful and magical thinking doesn't help anybody. There is a line between positive thinking and denying what is there. It is cruel, not helpful, to throw out statements of this kind.

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#1053618 - 10/25/08 10:40 AM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
Sabre2552 Offline
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Registered: 04/09/08
Posts: 28
Loc: Houston, TX
I am horrible at falling asleep, but I can usually fall asleep in less than 20 minutes if I play a TV show like South Park or Family Guy in the background. I usually doze off right in the middle of it. I don't watch it, and I make sure that the screen's light won't distract me, and I just fall asleep listening to it. It takes my mind off of myself and my physical body and makes the transition to sleep easier.

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#1053619 - 10/27/08 12:53 AM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
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I am really annoyed at the insensitivity of Gyro. I make it a point not to respond to any of his absurd comments, but this time, I just have to say that he is a first class boor.

I am so sorry that Super Hunky is going through all of this. The combination of unrelenting pain and insomnia is dreadful enough to deal with. Our wonderful Super Hunky certainly doesn't need such cruel comments from Gyro. The milk human kindness runs thin in Gyro's veins. Gaby Tu

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#1053620 - 10/27/08 02:37 AM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
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No one is forced to read his posts. A very quick skim does for me.
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#1053621 - 10/27/08 07:10 AM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
TrapperJohn Offline
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Registered: 02/11/08
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Loc: Chocolatetown, USA
 Quote:
Originally posted by keyboardklutz:
No one is forced to read his posts. [/b]
But most do just naturally - and not because of their anticipated enlightened and informed insights, but precisely & hopefully because of the often (and alleged) lack thereof.

 Quote:
A very quick skim does for me. [/b]
It would seem that for many here even a "quick skim" would amount - in effect - to a "casual perusal".

Regards
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#1053622 - 10/27/08 10:23 AM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
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[YD]: I've removed offensive post.

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#1053623 - 10/27/08 12:05 PM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
sotto voce Offline
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[YD]: Offensive quote removed.

Okay, now the gloves have to come off.

You are full of it, Gyro. There's no other way to put it.

It is precisely because—and ONLY because—of "those expensive 'anti-AIDS' drugs" that people are no longer dying.

It all changed in 1996 with the introduction of the first drugs in the protease inhibitor category. In the past twenty years, we have gone from an arsenal of exactly ONE inefficient drug to dozens from which to choose that actually do what they are supposed to. They work, and they are the only thing that works. If you don't take them, you die. Sometimes you die anyway.

What's your personal experience here that confers any authority whatsoever on your delusional opinion?

Why in the world can you not stick to the one single area in which you have an iota of knowledge—the prices of digital pianos? Your net contribution to this forum is beyond merely negative because you are so far beyond ignorant. Your unique combination of insolence and ignorance makes you uniquely dangerous.

Be warned: keep posting bull**** and you will be called out each and every time. I'm fed up with it, and I can copy and paste my own rebuttals to your idiocy just as readily as you can post your garbage.

Steven
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#1053624 - 10/27/08 12:20 PM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
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[YD]: Offensive and OT post removed

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#1053625 - 10/27/08 12:26 PM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
sotto voce Offline
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[YD] Offensive & OT quote removed.

The only liar here is you, Gyro, and no one is gullible here except the newbies you attempt to poison.

Steven
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Schumann: Toccata Op. 7
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#1053626 - 10/27/08 12:37 PM Re: How do you get a good nights sleep?.
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Wow, guys. this is FAR off topic here. Mr. S-H, I am afraid if you still have not gotten enough answers re: original question (also OTm BTW), you'll have to ask again. This topic is now CLOSED.
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