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#1064375 - 01/04/05 01:12 AM Please help me! how to get high palms and correct froggy fingers?
JeanL Offline
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Registered: 12/05/04
Posts: 11
Hi everyone:

I am in need of help on how to get the hand position right. It is for my son. It is very difficult to have him touch the keys with high palms, and he plays with "froggy" fingers and flat hands quite often.

Are there some exercise that works to corret these? I am frustrated. Thanks a lot!

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#1064376 - 01/04/05 02:16 AM Re: Please help me! how to get high palms and correct froggy fingers?
Cryptkeeper Offline
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Registered: 03/29/04
Posts: 114
Loc: Belgium
I can relate to that. I was self taught for about two years and when I took my first piano lesson my teacher told me to curve my fingers more.
I also played with flat fingers.

This was a big adjustment for me and it was difficult to do.
What made me lift my hand and curve my fingers was playing staccato. Even if you don't like to lift up your hand and play flat you have to do it if you want to play the song descent.
So I would suggest you let him play some staccato songs.

My hand position is still not perfect but it has improved alot since I started lessons about 6 months ago.

I also find that practicing scales also helps as it is very difficult to do if you keep your hands flat.
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#1064377 - 01/04/05 03:03 AM Re: Please help me! how to get high palms and correct froggy fingers?
ShiroKuro Offline
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Registered: 12/26/04
Posts: 3515
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Jean, how old is your son? I started the piano as an adult, so I don't know if my experience is at all relevant, but here goes.

What helped me change my hand position was not so much being told what my hand should look like, but rather being told what my fingers should be doing, how they should be connecting with the keys. I was able to picture that I don't want to play as if I were leaving my fingerprints on the piano, but more as if I were trying to bring my fingers down perpendicular to the key, and this helped me get an image in my head what part of my finger I wanted to touch the key. Does that make sense?

People talk about having a ball under your palm or whatever, but those things never made sense to me until *after* my hand shape started to change. Don't know if this will help you and your son, but good luck.
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#1064378 - 01/04/05 03:27 AM Re: Please help me! how to get high palms and correct froggy fingers?
Varcon Offline
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Registered: 10/15/04
Posts: 1931
Loc: Mount Vernon, Georgia 30445
So many things need to be shown so verbal descriptions are often lacking in clarity and this is one of those things. However, I'll attempt to give some idea of how to find a natural position for the hand on the keyboard. Do this yourself first: let the hand and arm hang loosely by your side--relaxed. Now, without changing the way the hand is now hanging, place the hand on the keyboard making sure you retain the position it was in while hanging. The fingers should be somewhat curved with the thumb close to the index finger. You might have to try that several times to get the position right as the tendency is to change it during the transition from the side to the keyboard.

After a basic position is obtained, then you'll find that you adjust the positions as the music requires--sometimes flatter fingers and sometimes on the tips. The knuckle bridge should not 'cave in' but be rounded in the basic position.

I hope this helps but it would be better to have it demonstrated to make sure you understand how to obtain a basic five-finger position on the keyboard. Make sure the height and distance for your son is adequate, too, for his age and physical stature.

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#1064379 - 01/04/05 07:36 AM Re: Please help me! how to get high palms and correct froggy fingers?
Bob Muir Offline
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Registered: 11/01/03
Posts: 2653
Loc: Lakewood, WA, USA
When he starts to play between the black keys, he'll have to raise his hand and curve his fingers.

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#1064380 - 01/04/05 09:13 AM Re: Please help me! how to get high palms and correct froggy fingers?
Varcon Offline
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Registered: 10/15/04
Posts: 1931
Loc: Mount Vernon, Georgia 30445
I did forget to ask--what are 'froggy' fingers? That I don't quite understand. Flat--yes; 'froggy'--no. Would you explain, please?

Thanks!

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#1064381 - 01/04/05 09:40 AM Re: Please help me! how to get high palms and correct froggy fingers?
Bob Muir Offline
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Registered: 11/01/03
Posts: 2653
Loc: Lakewood, WA, USA
I assumed it means that the palm is kept low and the knuckles of the fingers are actually higher than the palm. Another problem with this is that they obviously can't be relaxed while playing this way.

It might be worthwhile to have them practice with a piece they already know and love and teach them how to play without tension and with proper hand position. Then slowly introduce a new piece after that and have them keep relaxed as they learn the new notes.

I'm having trouble doing that myself. \:\(

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#1064382 - 01/04/05 11:06 AM Re: Please help me! how to get high palms and correct froggy fingers?
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Loc: Washington D.C. Metro
My teacher tells my son to play with "ballerina fingers." It's a visual image that seems to connect with him . . .
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#1064383 - 01/04/05 11:53 AM Re: Please help me! how to get high palms and correct froggy fingers?
JeanL Offline
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Registered: 12/05/04
Posts: 11
Dear friends:

Thank you all for your kind reply! I will try your methods. I truly appreciate your inputs!

About the "froggy" fingers. As Bob Muir said, I also believe it meant flat hands with low palms -- teachers probably use it for children. I read it from another parent forum, and I was confused too.

My son is in Kindergarten. He started not too long ago.

Thanks again!

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