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#1064764 - 10/07/08 10:49 PM What are "open" and "phat" chords
kit1197 Offline
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Registered: 02/10/08
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Loc: Ottawa, Ontario
I've heard these terms and maybe they mean the same thing. If it is a triad like C major or Dmin then maybe there's no such thing but with a 7th or 9th, do you play two of the notes with one hand and the remaining notes with the other hand?

I watched the video about practicing chords with the circle of 5ths. I'm going to try that with the root, 1st & 2nd inversions.

I need to get "freed up" and my teacher suggested putting away my music books and just "noodle around". For a left-brained structured analytical person like me, that's almost scary!
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#1064765 - 10/08/08 12:16 AM Re: What are "open" and "phat" chords
knotty Offline
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Open voicing as opposed to closed voicing.

If you play C.
open position could be:
C G E

Close position would be C E G

It often sounds nice to alternate open and close voicing as it gives counter movement. It adds interest.

In the case of C G E, E is the 10th. The 10th often gives a very full sound to the chord, especially as you go lower where the close position doesn't work.

Take care.

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#1064766 - 10/08/08 01:29 AM Re: What are "open" and "phat" chords
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You can noodle around all your life and get nowhere. I 'noodled' for 6 months and lost 6 months of piano!

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#1064767 - 10/08/08 02:17 AM Re: What are "open" and "phat" chords
Gary D. Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Ragtime Clown:
You can noodle around all your life and get nowhere. I 'noodled' for 6 months and lost 6 months of piano! [/b]
But you can also completely miss the "play" side of music, which is experimentation. Some people are so afraid of doing anything "wrong" that they adopt a cookbook mentality towards the piano.
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#1064768 - 10/08/08 06:08 AM Re: What are "open" and "phat" chords
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Originally posted by Gary D.:

But you can also completely miss the "play" side of music, which is experimentation. Some people are so afraid of doing anything "wrong" that they adopt a cookbook mentality towards the piano.
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I don't have anything to add to what's been said so far, except to say I really like this comment by Gary. Boy, do I fit the bill for this affliction. I think I have no talent, and must follow the music as written (or arranged by someone). Seaside Lee pointed out to me a while back that my "fear" of noodling around on the keyboard was part of the reason I was having so much trouble trying to play by ear. True.

Well said, Gary.
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#1064769 - 10/08/08 07:46 AM Re: What are "open" and "phat" chords
Studio Joe Offline
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Registered: 03/28/07
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I Googled for phat chords and found this excellent video that explains how to use 'open voicing' to get the 'phat' sound.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdg2BdXAr6I
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#1064770 - 10/08/08 09:42 AM Re: What are "open" and "phat" chords
knotty Offline
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Nice link Joe! I can't believe this guy put all of his vids on youtube for free.

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#1064771 - 10/09/08 09:23 PM Re: What are "open" and "phat" chords
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I watched these and at first was thinking that adding the 7th and 9th to the chord was just for minor chords but I think it must work just as well for major chords.
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