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#1066547 - 08/23/06 09:26 PM Solfeggietto StudyGroup
LiszThalberg Offline
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Welcome!
I will be leading a study group in learning the famous CPE Bach piece Solfeggietto!
If you need sheet music it is located here:
http://www.sheetmusicarchive.net/dlpage_new.cfm?composition_id=1595
If you would like to join please post!

List of Interested memebers:
Debussy20
palley
AdagioM
Opus45
Ishmael
SAS
Sleepingcats
Agilita
gabytu
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Goal of Group:
Learn and Memorize piece AT FULL TEMPO!

More information it come!

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#1066548 - 08/23/06 11:10 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
palley Offline
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I'm in!

I've been working on it with my teacher for the past month.
I have it almost all memorized and am working on more control, precision and speed.

What metronome mark are we shooting for?

BTW, I am using the score in the John Thompson 4th Grade Book.
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#1066549 - 08/23/06 11:26 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
AdagioM Offline
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Oooh, I'd like to get that piece back. I'm in. I think.
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#1066550 - 08/24/06 08:19 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
Opus45 Offline
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This one is on my list. I'm in.
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#1066551 - 08/24/06 10:06 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
LiszThalberg Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by palley:
What metronome mark are we shooting for? [/b]
Lets shoot for 200 if thats ok with everybody.
We are going to get an enormous ammount of applause if we play this in full tempo in front of people.

The tricky thing is trying to not only play it at 200 (or whatever) but playing every note evenly.

By the way: we need to set up a time line for this peice \:D

Lets say we aim to finish with full tempo in December.
1st page - full tempo - end of september
2nd page - full tempo - end of October
3rd page - full tempo - end of November
Polish and ready to preform - Beggining of December.
Is this ok???

Anouther question is pedaling.
I plan to use no pedal, i dont know about everyone else but when i play it with pedal, it sounds soupy.

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#1066552 - 08/24/06 10:41 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
Mike White Offline
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Is anyone interested in an mp3 of this piece? If so, I will gladly upload it onto box.net.
Mike
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#1066553 - 08/24/06 10:44 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
LiszThalberg Offline
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Do so Mike
It is great to have an idea of what it is supposed to sound like.

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#1066554 - 08/24/06 10:50 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
Mike White Offline
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http://www.box.net/public/cb4ilhvo1a

I made this by playing a midi file through my P-80 and recording with Audacity. I have no idea what is causing those popping noises? If anyone out there has an idea, please share it with me. It's only on the right channel.
Mike White
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#1066555 - 08/24/06 10:53 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
LiszThalberg Offline
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very good!
The popping noise (IMownO) is caused by the mic being too close to the piano.

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#1066556 - 08/24/06 11:00 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
Mike White Offline
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...not using a mic, direct from keyboard to computer. I haven't tried defragging yet, that's next.
Mike
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#1066557 - 08/24/06 11:12 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
oldcars Offline
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Yamaha G3 & P-80:
http://www.box.net/public/cb4ilhvo1a

I made this by playing a midi file through my P-80 and recording with Audacity. I have no idea what is causing those popping noises? If anyone out there has an idea, please share it with me. It's only on the right channel.
Mike White [/b]
It sounded quite clean to me. I'm listening through a Mac G5, itunes and Harmon Kardon speakers. Maybe somehow, somewhere, the popping is removed?
Very nice playing, btw.

J
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#1066558 - 08/24/06 11:16 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
dk21208 Offline
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You should look at the wav form of the file in audacity (if you still have it) You may be able to tell by the shape at the pops what is causing them. If it looks like a peak in the signal, your cables may be not be carrying the signal well. If it looks like a blank in the signal, then it could be the same issue or possibly a hiccup by the computer where it is dropping some of the data as it comes in. Not a very scientific method, but might help determine the source.
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#1066559 - 08/24/06 11:19 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
DenCato Offline
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This piece is oh so nice, but I'm not sure I am up for the challenge.

Still, I would love to try as I am really motivated to learn this one.

But Debussy20 is talking about 3 pages, and I only see 2? Is this correct?
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#1066560 - 08/24/06 11:30 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
LiszThalberg Offline
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DenCato - you are right
my book the one im using has 3 pages
the sheet music archive edition only has two

sorry for the mix up

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#1066561 - 08/24/06 01:26 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
Ishmael Offline
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Registered: 05/22/06
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I'm in.

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#1066562 - 08/24/06 01:36 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
LiszThalberg Offline
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Awsome!

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#1066563 - 08/24/06 01:47 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
Opus45 Offline
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Debussy20
 Quote:
Lets say we aim to finish with full tempo in December.
1st page - full tempo - end of september
2nd page - full tempo - end of October
3rd page - full tempo - end of November
Polish and ready to preform - Beggining of December.
Is this ok???
I wonder if it might be easier to shoot for gradually increasing the tempo for the entire piece?

Perhaps something like this (?):
1st page - first week of September
2nd page - second week of September
3rd page - third week of September
Entire Piece - half tempo - end of September
Entire Piece - 3/4 tempo - end of October
Entire Piece - Full tempo - end of November
Memorized - Full tempo - end of December

????
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#1066564 - 08/24/06 01:48 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
LiszThalberg Offline
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yes your right,
a month per page is too much
It would drive us all crazy!

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#1066565 - 08/24/06 02:04 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
Opus45 Offline
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I'm at work (and going from long term memory, which is unreliable), but I seem to recall the third page was very much like the first page. If this is so, it will make this much easier to learn. I also seem to recall this piece being fairly easy to sight read at a slow tempo.

Working this piece up to speed will be challenging for me. I'm sure memorizing the piece will help, so I might also try to memorize as I go along (if I have enough time).

I seem to recall someone here posted a video of himself playing this piece on an old upright piano (i think it was Geek in the Pink?). It was pretty cool, he played it very well & looked like he was having fun playing it. Might be worth a search for that thread. It motivated me to get the sheet music.
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#1066566 - 08/24/06 06:36 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
LiszThalberg Offline
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#1066567 - 08/25/06 10:46 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
SAS Offline
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Registered: 12/11/04
Posts: 640
Loc: Austin, TX
I've dabbled with this a little bit, so I'd like to get in on this. I don't think I can ever play it up to tempo, but we'll see!

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#1066568 - 08/25/06 11:24 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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Registered: 05/30/04
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Loc: Oregon
I played this at a recital last Winter, but have become a bit rusty. I've always had a bit of a problem with evenness in some areas, but I'll work on it over the next few months.

Sleepingcats
(getting back to lessons after a rough 6 months of family illness and other issues)
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#1066569 - 08/25/06 01:35 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
Agilita Offline
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Posts: 476
Loc: Missouri
Please count me in. All these learning groups are killing me, I joined too many and have too little practice time. But this one is in the "Applause" book I just ordered so how can I resist?

But no practice time this weekend. We leave this afternoon to drive a van load of boys to a karate competition in Iowa.

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#1066570 - 08/26/06 12:38 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
AdagioM Offline
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I'm not planning on playing it at tempo. I am, after all, an Adagio Babe.

But I'd like to learn the notes again.
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#1066571 - 08/26/06 08:50 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
dannylux Offline
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Registered: 02/15/06
Posts: 1817
Loc: Connecticut
 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
 Quote:
Originally posted by palley:
What metronome mark are we shooting for? [/b]
Lets shoot for 200 if thats ok with everybody.
We are going to get an enormous amount of applause if we play this in full tempo in front of people.
[/b]
At a quarter note=200, that would mean 13 notes per second!

I'll give myself an enormous amount of applause if I play this in full tempo in front of me.

I agree that a marking of prestissimo would be mm=200, but that is fast[/b].

Mel
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#1066572 - 08/26/06 12:16 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
LiszThalberg Offline
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I think it was Kreisler that said he played it at 150 - 160 and that was fast enough

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#1066573 - 08/26/06 03:49 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
DenCato Offline
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What's the tempo of the version Yamaha G3 & P-80
posted?

Is that about 160 (I am afraid we are supposed to play it faster than that)?
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#1066574 - 08/27/06 12:30 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
I think it was Kreisler that said he played it at 150 - 160 and that was fast enough [/b]
MM=150-160 is an Allegro.

So yes, it's fast enough if the piece is marked Allegro.

But it is not; it's marked Prestissimo.

Mel
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#1066575 - 08/27/06 08:58 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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Thats just what Kreisler said,

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#1066576 - 08/27/06 11:43 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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I'm not trying to be argumentative, just stressing how fast prestissimo is.

Mike's wonderful recording is at a tempo of mm=120, or 8 notes per second.

Geek's terrific video is at mm=150, or 10 notes per second.

Both sound very fast.

The fastest that I can play a scale evenly, up and down 4 octaves is mm=160, or 10.7 notes per second.

Since a scale is the simplest thing one can play, I'm having a hard time imagining playing this piece at mm=200.

But it could be great fun to try.

Mel
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