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#1066577 - 08/28/06 10:18 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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Dannylux did you want to join???
I might have forgot to add you.

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#1066578 - 08/28/06 10:19 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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I can play the song at 100 evenly
How about every one esle?

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#1066579 - 08/29/06 12:21 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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I'm all over the place right now since I'm just getting back into the piece, so I'll take it slowly to concentrate on evenness and the correct dynamics.

I'll report back in a week or so after I recover from my nerve ablation procedure on the right side of my neck (!) \:\(
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#1066580 - 08/29/06 12:24 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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Originally posted by Debussy20:
I can play the song at 100 evenly
How about every one esle? [/b]
I'll start sometime this week. I'll first try to understand what's going on by reading the sheet with a recording.

Also, I first thought that this was a piece of the J.S. Bach.. It seems it isn't.. Who's this guy? One of his sons?

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#1066581 - 08/29/06 01:40 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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I'll also start this week or this weekend. I'm not sure what my current well-controlled-tempo is, but I'll test myself & report back later this week or this weekend.

I think we're supposed to get a lot of rain in North Carolina this weekend so it will be a good weekend for playing the piano.
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#1066582 - 08/29/06 08:48 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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Well, I brought it up! I don't think tempi are that precisely defined (even though you may see that number on your metronome.)

Wikipedia says:
"Can tempo terms be defined with the metronome?

Most musicians would agree that it is not possible to give beats per minute (BPM) equivalents for these terms; the actual number of beats per minute in a piece marked allegro, for example, will depend on the music itself. A piece consisting mainly of minims (half notes) can be played much more quickly in terms of BPM than a piece consisting mainly of semi-quavers (sixteenth notes) but still be described with the same word.
Metronome manufacturers usually do assign BPM values to the traditional terms, but these values are by no means correct for every piece."

Prestissimo is qualitatively defined as "as fast as possible".

I think MM100 IS possible for "Adult Beginner Hanger-ons". (No way is this a real beginner's piece!)

MM100 will be my goal for now.
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#1066583 - 08/30/06 03:35 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Ishmael:


Also, I first thought that this was a piece of the J.S. Bach.. It seems it isn't.. Who's this guy? One of his sons? [/b]
Carl Phillip Emmanuel Bach or CPE Bach was one of many sons of Bach. One of only three the write music.

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#1066584 - 08/30/06 03:37 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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 Quote:
Originally posted by dannylux:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
I think it was Kreisler that said he played it at 150 - 160 and that was fast enough [/b]
MM=150-160 is an Allegro.

So yes, it's fast enough if the piece is marked Allegro.

But it is not; it's marked Prestissimo.

Mel [/b]
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#1066585 - 08/31/06 01:21 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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I started yesterday. It seems it will be hard to memorize it.. Also, it sounds nice even when played slow.

But I'm not sure what's going on in the piece. Could somebody explain it maybe?

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#1066586 - 08/31/06 01:44 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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I'm having a problem. My problem is with the first measure on the second page and also with the fourth line of the second page. (This is on the two page version that's at the first of this thread. Mine actually is three pages.) How do you play this? I'm playing the left hand chords with my left hand staccatoing over my right hand.

We got back on Sunday from the out of town karate competition in time for me to go to hear my oldest granddaughter at a late afternoon piano recital. One of the older students played Solfeggietto and very fast, too.

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#1066587 - 08/31/06 02:40 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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I don't think there's any way I can memorize this. But that's not one of my strong points. I'll have to look at my score when I get home, I think I know the place you're talking about, but I'll have to look and see how I'm doing it.

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#1066588 - 08/31/06 10:13 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Ishmael:

But I'm not sure what's going on in the piece. Could somebody explain it maybe? [/b]
It starts out with an awsome theme in c minor
then changes to g minor
then to f minor and back to c minor

Basicallly a I-V-VI-I movenment

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#1066589 - 09/03/06 08:41 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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 Quote:
Debussy20
I can play the song at 100 evenly
How about every one else?
Initial progress report:

I just dusted my copy of Solfeggietto today and found I'm able to play all three pages, mostly evenly, at less than half that speed Debussy....and, I'm embarrassed to say I'm not yet able to give much attention to dynamics & shaping, etc.. Most of my attention at this time is still on playing the right notes & fingering.

I'm setting my metronome speed between 60-70 for eight [/b]beats per measure. Once I'm able to play this more evenly, I'll switch over to a metronome setting for four[/b] beats per measure.
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#1066590 - 09/03/06 08:45 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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great!

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#1066591 - 09/06/06 12:42 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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I've been practicing.......but I'm having trouble with my even note values in measures 7 & 8, but I had that problem before. Does anyone have any suggestions? My 2-note slurs start to sound syncopated. Slow practice works up to a point, then it falls apart.

There are sections where I'm playing around 115, which is about my speed at a recital last December, but other sections need work.
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#1066592 - 09/06/06 04:04 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Ishmael:

But I'm not sure what's going on in the piece. Could somebody explain it maybe? [/b]
It starts out with an awsome theme in c minor
then changes to g minor
then to f minor and back to c minor

Basicallly a I-V-VI-I movenment [/b]
Thanks a lot.

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#1066593 - 09/07/06 01:46 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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If it isn't too late I would like to join you. I learned this once, years ago, and would like to resurrect it. However, there is no way I would be able to play it at 200. It will be interesting to see what develops.

Gaby Tu.

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#1066594 - 09/07/06 09:50 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Opus45:

I'm able to play all three pages, mostly evenly, at less than half that speed Debussy....and, I'm embarrassed to say I'm not yet able to give much attention to dynamics & shaping, etc.. Most of my attention at this time is still on playing the right notes & fingering.

[/QB]
This pretty much describes my progress! I'll keep plugging away. But I'm beginning to doubt I can get it up to speed!

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#1066595 - 09/10/06 02:46 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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I've finally started the piece with my teacher and I have to say it's much more fun than the pieces I've played before. Well, it might be too early to tell actually.. I'm currently playing 1/3rd of the first page:).

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#1066596 - 09/10/06 06:56 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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Glad you are letting me join you. As I mentioned in my other post, I learned this a long time ago and am looking forward to resurrecting it. Played through it this morning and am thrilled to find that I remember so much of it. It is much easier for me the second time around. I am just delighted about the way my fingers seem to know just where to go. However, unfortunatly, the mistakes are the same ones I made when I first learned the piece, so I will slow down, and learn to do it right this time.

Gaby Tu

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#1066597 - 09/14/06 10:31 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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Thought I would bump this up.

I'm going to commit to playing this daily for at least a few minutes.

My first goal will be to play it smoothly from beginning to end at some metronome setting. Let me quote someone from another thread:

(Dean, aka dk21208)
"Having the music playable from start to finish is always the most significant milestone for me with new music. I always feel like the momentum swings in my favor and the battle is downhill from there."

This works for me too. From that point, I can give proper attention to shaping the music, dynamics, velocity, and generally polishing it up.

Anyone care to provide some recordings of this piece in the development stage (slow tempo, mistakes, etc...)? I might volunteer if I can make time this weekend (or next, depending on how the weekend shapes up).
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#1066598 - 09/14/06 10:42 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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So far so good. It is all coming back to me after a long long period of lying dormant.. Got all the notes learned, and now am starting to memorize it. I am following Chang's suggestion, LH, the RH then Ht. Will keep you posted on how I am doing.
This much I know. I am not going for speed, but for accuracy. Gaby Tu

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#1066599 - 10/02/06 03:10 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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hmmmm..... almost a almost 2 weeks and no one has posted. Have we all mastered the piece?

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#1066600 - 10/02/06 03:42 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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I was just thinking about this piece. I picked up some new Christmas music at the Brook Mays sale just before they closed, so I've been playing Christmas music! I know it's a little early, but I need to practice it now so it's ready over the holidays.

I need to get back to this one. What about everyone else?

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#1066601 - 10/02/06 04:11 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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Sorry I missed this thread when it first started. I've been working on the Goldberg variations and would have enjoyed this.
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#1066602 - 10/02/06 05:14 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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Peyton: The rest of us aren't moving too fast so I'm sure you could join us!

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#1066603 - 10/02/06 06:54 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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Originally posted by Agilita:
Peyton: The rest of us aren't moving too fast so I'm sure you could join us! [/b]
I'd be starting from scratch and I'm slooooooooooooooooooooow. But I'll take a look. It's all fun eh?
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#1066604 - 10/02/06 08:06 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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Join in Peyton, I'm on the slow track myself, in fact, we really only just started as a group. I started on this a few weeks ago, working on it sometimes 5-10 minutes/day, sometimes more, sometimes not at all.

At this point, I'm working on it with a metronome setting of about 50-55 (when I do use it). I practice this about 50% with metronome & 50% without. At some point, I'll start memorizing.

How's everyone else doing?

[Edit]
This is a schedule I proposed on page one:

1st page - first week of September
2nd page - second week of September
3rd page - third week of September
Entire Piece - half tempo - end of September
Entire Piece - 3/4 tempo - end of October
Entire Piece - Full tempo - end of November
Memorized - Full tempo - end of December

I wasn't really following it, but it just occurred to me that I'm on track in terms of being able to play this at half tempo.

My self assessment is that, in addition to developing speed, I need to improve on playing this more cleanly & evenly....and I need to shape it better (playing louder as I go up & quieter going down), etc..
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#1066605 - 10/03/06 09:03 AM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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Originally posted by Peyton:
Sorry I missed this thread when it first started. I've been working on the Goldberg variations and would have enjoyed this. [/b]
You are definitely not too late! I'm not very far along, and I don't think anyone else is either. So jump in! I've been playing around with other stuff and neglecting this, so I need to get back into it.

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#1066606 - 10/03/06 09:48 PM Re: Solfeggietto StudyGroup
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I was running pretty smoothly at about 60 today, but the engine started to rattle when I pushed it up into the 70's.
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