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#1573245 - 12/09/10 10:13 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: nipo]
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Originally Posted By: nipo

Jingle Bells was the first one in the book i had a hard time with too. I've notice the book seems to jump in difficulty after a few songs instead of a steady progression.

Yes, it is much harder than the next few after it I noticed! Still, I did it until I got it down before moving on. However, it really (and so do chords) annoys my left forearm. I think I'm playing incorrectly in terms of how I'm applying pressure to the keys. It would be great if I could find a local teacher. frown

On another note, the Alfred Premier books do complement this one fairly well. I went back and reviewed the 1A after I did Jingle Bells and noticed it basically covers similar topics but in a much more thorough fashion. However, the 'penalty' is a plethora of made up kiddy songs to get a point across. I still might buy 1B to complement the AIO book...
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#1573462 - 12/09/10 04:33 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: denjin]
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I just posted on the Basic Adult Course, and maybe you can give me some help. When/where do you use in the Lesson Book songs that which is taught in the Aerobics Book? Where do you use "dangle, drop, and lift" in any particular song?

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#1573465 - 12/09/10 04:36 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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See my recent posts.

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#1573735 - 12/10/10 02:04 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: denjin]
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Originally Posted By: denjin
Originally Posted By: nipo

Jingle Bells was the first one in the book i had a hard time with too. I've notice the book seems to jump in difficulty after a few songs instead of a steady progression.

Yes, it is much harder than the next few after it I noticed! Still, I did it until I got it down before moving on. However, it really (and so do chords) annoys my left forearm. I think I'm playing incorrectly in terms of how I'm applying pressure to the keys. It would be great if I could find a local teacher. frown


May be this can help you
http://www.piano-play-it.com/piano-key.html


I am in "Writing the C Major Chord Position for RH" - page 71. But I have to practice "Alpine Melody"

Each piece of Alfred AIO book is to learn a new thing, some are easier than others. Jingle Bells is the first song with two hands.
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#1573806 - 12/10/10 07:01 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Thanks for the link, Fliper. That looks like it will annoy my left wrist and forearm less, but I think I'm still doing something wrong. I always have some serious tension in the tendons on the back of my hand when playing. frown It is only a problem on my left hand, though. I've emailed a half dozen teachers so far while trying to find one for lessons and none of them have replied...

Done with Largo now and I liked the tune so much I ended up looking into Dvorak more! smile Next up is Mary Ann, Rockets, and then When the Saints...

And in regards to beeflat earlier, I can't help, sorry. frown


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#1574214 - 12/10/10 05:49 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Sorry for bumping the thread even though the last post is still mine...

I'm just going through Mary Ann (I actually like it :P) and notice that I pause a lot when hitting keys, especially on the bass clef. The reason is I'm always thinking about the note (CEG, etc.) before hitting it. However, today it occured to me that I should just be thinking about intervals and the such, perhaps? Is it a bit too early to expect to be able to read the notes super fast on their own already? I don't really like remembering finger 1, 3, 3, 1, 5 and things like that as opposed to the notes...
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#1574262 - 12/10/10 07:03 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: denjin]
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Right now, you are translating a note into a letter name, and then the letter name into a key. After a while, your brain will eliminate the middle man (letter name) and go right from the note to the key.
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#1574633 - 12/11/10 10:00 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: mom3gram]
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Originally Posted By: mom3gram
Right now, you are translating a note into a letter name, and then the letter name into a key. After a while, your brain will eliminate the middle man (letter name) and go right from the note to the key.

Thanks, that definitely makes sense. smile Nice to see some of the legendary earlier participants in this thread drop by!

Also, I did find a local teacher. I'll be seeing her on Tuesday - there aren't many options here at all. She teaches a few instruments, including piano. Also, she uses the Alfred's AIO book for the 1st year, which works out great! Guess I'll be staying in this thread for a while.

On to Saints for me today...
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#1574835 - 12/11/10 04:43 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: denjin]
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Originally Posted By: denjin
Sorry for bumping the thread even though the last post is still mine...

I'm just going through Mary Ann (I actually like it :P) and notice that I pause a lot when hitting keys, especially on the bass clef. The reason is I'm always thinking about the note (CEG, etc.) before hitting it. However, today it occured to me that I should just be thinking about intervals and the such, perhaps? Is it a bit too early to expect to be able to read the notes super fast on their own already? I don't really like remembering finger 1, 3, 3, 1, 5 and things like that as opposed to the notes...


Do not make pauses between the notes. To play slower, think ooooone, twoooo, threeeee, instead one, two three, not one-pause-two-pause-three-pause...
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#1577270 - 12/15/10 03:25 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: fliper]
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Saw my teacher for the 1st lesson yesterday. I think she's a bit too easy-going, but it's hard to tell on the 1st lesson so I'll go a few times and see how it works out. She has been helpful though as I gained a better understanding of how to play a few things and some theory since I could just ask and also have her show me things. I got passed on most songs as well with just a few that she wants me to try again next time. For her it's the timing, etc., that is most important.

In the G position now. The chord with my thumb on F sharp is a bit hard, I guess I should move my other fingers towards the top?

Edit: Got to Beautiful Brown Eyes tonight. I find it quite fun! The 1st three measures aren't bad but the 4th one tripped me up a few times. All I need to do now is work it up to full speed, but still isn't as bad I thought it was going to be. smile


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#1577655 - 12/16/10 01:54 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: denjin]
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Originally Posted By: denjin
Saw my teacher for the 1st lesson yesterday. I think she's a bit too easy-going, but it's hard to tell on the 1st lesson so I'll go a few times and see how it works out. She has been helpful though as I gained a better understanding of how to play a few things and some theory since I could just ask and also have her show me things. I got passed on most songs as well with just a few that she wants me to try again next time. For her it's the timing, etc., that is most important.

In the G position now. The chord with my thumb on F sharp is a bit hard, I guess I should move my other fingers towards the top?

Edit: Got to Beautiful Brown Eyes tonight. I find it quite fun! The 1st three measures aren't bad but the 4th one tripped me up a few times. All I need to do now is work it up to full speed, but still isn't as bad I thought it was going to be. smile


Nice you have a teacher now.

I play de D7 chord (chord with thumb on F sharp) with fingers 4 and 5 in the top of keys, between the black keys.

I liked Beautiful Brown Eyes too. Look at the dynamics signs.

I am in "Waltz Time" - page 73, trying to play the dynamics correctelly.
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#1577824 - 12/16/10 08:44 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: denjin]
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Originally Posted By: denjin
Saw my teacher for the 1st lesson yesterday. I think she's a bit too easy-going, but it's hard to tell on the 1st lesson so I'll go a few times and see how it works out. She has been helpful though as I gained a better understanding of how to play a few things and some theory since I could just ask and also have her show me things. I got passed on most songs as well with just a few that she wants me to try again next time. For her it's the timing, etc., that is most important.

In the G position now. The chord with my thumb on F sharp is a bit hard, I guess I should move my other fingers towards the top?

Edit: Got to Beautiful Brown Eyes tonight. I find it quite fun! The 1st three measures aren't bad but the 4th one tripped me up a few times. All I need to do now is work it up to full speed, but still isn't as bad I thought it was going to be. smile


Congratulations on finding a teacher! I thought mine was being too easy on me at first too. It turns out it just took 3-4 lessons before we were comfortable with one another and she started being more picky.

With F# I move my fingers up a bit and extend them slightly so they can reach. I have large hands though so take that as you will.

I'm currently working on The Can-Can. It is a song that sounds right played quickly so I'm fighting the urge to go progressively faster with a metronome. I liked On Top of Old Smokey before this I never thought of it as a sad song before playing it.
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#1580069 - 12/19/10 02:18 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: nipo]
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I'm yet another joining the ranks of the Alfred's AIO book. I started having lessons last summer, the teacher used the Schaum piano course. They are kids books but i didn't have a problem with them. I just really never felt comfortable with the teacher. Every time we'd start on a new piece, i'd freeze and just sit there looking silly. So after 6 or 7 lessons i decided i really didn't need to be dealing with that as an adult and decided to work on my own.

In hindsight it was a mistake. I was progressing with the teacher and i'm sure i would have got to a point where i would get over the freezing. So in the meantime, i have been working alone. I'm playing pieces way more in advance than what i would have had i stayed with the teacher (albeit not played too well). I have a piece in the recent Beethoven recital which at best is ok but i feel like i have regressed. I've missed out a whole lot of stuff in between, my sight reading is poor and i can only learn these pieces by deciphering them and that in itself takes as long as memorizing the notes.

So i decided to find a new teacher, i hadn't planned on using the Alfred's book but the teacher i found is using it. My 7 year old daughter is also starting, i had to order 4 separate Alfred books for her as well and we start on Jan 7th. I don't know how good the kids version is, i'm hoping she learns a lot from them.

I'm not sure exactly what point i'll start in the book. I don't think it will be the beginning, i also ordered the Alfred's greatest hits book as well.

So i'm looking forward to the lessons, using the book and getting to know some of you fine people in this thread.
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#1581138 - 12/21/10 04:33 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: steveMac]
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Welcome to this thread steveMac. I am shure you do not need to start from the begining of the Alfred Book 1.

I think the best way to learn is to follow a structured method, with or without a teacher. I choosed Alfred after read this forum.

I have to play what is in the book, not what I want to play, but as you said, I am progressing in the book.
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#1581513 - 12/21/10 03:47 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Thanks fliper.
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#1582407 - 12/22/10 06:48 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Hello everyone,
I'm new to the site and love reading this thread.
I'm a "beginner" (had lessons for a few months as kid so can read music). I am almost done with Alfred Vol 1.

I have a question about when to learn the dynamics of a piece. I have been waiting until I have the notes and tempo, but then it is really hard for me to change the way I have been playing it (over and over again!).

What do you do? Do you practice the dynamics as you learn the notes, or wait til you can play it well and then add dynamics?
Thanks!

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#1583330 - 12/24/10 11:41 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I personally do one slow run through of the song, then from there on I learn it up to tempo with the proper dynamics (or at least I try to use the proper dynamics). I used to do it the way you have described and also found it was more difficult to learn the dynamics later then just doing them in the beginning.
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#1583586 - 12/24/10 07:26 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Thanks Spitfire

I think I'll start putting the dynamics in from the start also and see if that helps.

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#1584887 - 12/27/10 10:41 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: just4fun]
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What do you do? Do you practice the dynamics as you learn the notes, or wait til you can play it well and then add dynamics?
Thanks!

Welcome to this thread novice 99.
I wait until I can play the piece well. One new thing at time works for me.
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#1585904 - 12/28/10 05:29 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Thanks for the welcome, Fliper.

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#1587108 - 12/30/10 09:32 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Back after a classical guitar break. I decided to change my major to music and I needed something I could audition for local Community Colleges music school with. Anyway I am through the Auld Lang Syne and I've started working on O Sole Mio! I also have recorded Beauty and the Beast from the Greatest Hits book and put it up on my youtube site.
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#1590324 - 01/04/11 11:26 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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New user checking in. Forced to take piano lessons from 9 until about 15 years old. Hated every minute of it. My older sister got to play popular music; I was forced to stick with classical (and perform like a monkey at teacher's association deals...they gave us awards, so maybe it was a competition after all? I used to have quite a collection of faux ivory composer busts...hahaha). Dropped it like a bad habit as soon as my parents gave me the option (read: I had bitched and moaned long enough and worn down their resolve!).

15 years later, I wished I had never stopped. Since then (and that was nearly 15 years ago!), I've owned a couple different keyboards, currently working on a K2500XS which I absolutely dig. Before this old behemoth I had an original Yamaha Motif 8 which was cool, but ultimately 'meh.' Never should have let that Roland Alpha Juno 2 go...not so much for the piano, but man that thing had some awesome bass sounds! I should point out that I enjoy messing around with synthesizers and guitars, too.

In early December, I learned the first section of Christmas Time is Here (again, I do this every year, or have for the last four or five; always just the first section, though). Recorded it and thought, "You know, I should really shake the rust off the sight reading and work on this a little more." I used to be able to sight read like nobody's business. Now I have to work at remembering which notes are which...well, on the bass staff, treble isn't so much of a problem.

Picked up the Alfred's AIO Level 1 last week and have worked all the way through whatever page When The Saints is on or just a little past (F chord in the right hand work; some sort of C-F-G7 waltz thing). Most of the pieces so far are easy enough to read, but I have discovered that I need to get my edge back on that left hand/right hand independence thing, too. I'm having a blast, though. So much so that I ordered AIO Level 2.

I figure I'll get through these and then start looking around for some jazz tuition books. Maybe a little Art Tatum or Bill Evans style. Oooh, or maybe Bud Powell...ooh ooh ooh...Red Garland! This time around, I get to decide what I'm going to play, eh? smile


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#1594188 - 01/09/11 07:20 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Hi, all thought I'd check in.

Beautiful Brown Eyes - just have to add the pedal
Alpine Melody - Same for this one
Waltz Time - Done
Good Morning To you - Done
Happy Birthday - Done
Standing in the need of Prayer - Done
Alouette - Done
Lavender Blue - Thought I had it done and realized I was playing it wrong. REDO
Kum-Ba-YAH - Done
London Bridge - Done
Micheal, Row The Boat Ashore - Started yesterday

And the infamous Blow the Man Down – I started yesterday using the tips from this tread and surprisingly a got the rhythm down today. Only measures 14 – 16 are tripping me up now. Should have it worked by week’s end.

I also have been using supplemental books like Alfred’s Masterwork Classics and Catherine Rollin Pathways to Artistry Technique / Masterworks / Repertoire books. The Latter has been the best money I’ve spent on a book. There’s an Arm to Arm Independence exercise in there I had performed that helped me pick up BTMD so quickly. It has also helped me play my pieces with more musicality.

I hope everyone else is progressing fine.
Happy belated holidays
MartinJB


Edited by MartinJB (01/09/11 07:25 PM)
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#1594474 - 01/10/11 06:47 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: MartinJB]
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Welcome to this thread kreinhard.

MartinJB, your progression is very good. Pieces with pedal does not sound the same without pedal. You should try them with pedal. Pedal is one more thing to learn.

I am in "Good Morning to You". This is done, and I am making a revision of all pieces from Jingle Bells before start "Happy Birthday". I am a little disappointed with myself as there are pieces that I needed to re-learn (not from the beginging of course) to play them.
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#1594567 - 01/10/11 10:10 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Unless you play all the pieces you have learned frequently, you WILL forget them and have to re-learn them. This goes for most,if not all of us. But the good news is that they come back a lot faster the second time. Review is good, but don't beat yourself up if you can't play old pieces on the first try.
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#1596783 - 01/13/11 02:50 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I've not posted since before Christmas so thought I would again! smile I've been very busy with my Master's Degree and also the holidays. However, I am up to 'Blow the Man Down'. It doesn't seem as hard as I thought it would be, luckily. When the book first had me break out of normal hand positions my brain hurt for a day but it seems ok now. I think the song is great!

I also quite enjoyed Kumbaya, My Lord, even though I hated that in music class as a child.

Unfortunately I'm at school next week so no piano at all for me. frown I'm going to see if there are pianos on campus somewhere that I can play after 7pm or so when lessons are done. At least I've noticed you don't seem to get worse if you take time off (amazingly I'm usually better when I come back :o), but I don't like pausing for so long.
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#1600713 - 01/19/11 11:01 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: denjin]
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Another post holiday update. I'm currently working on The Entertaining and looking ahead to somewhere over the rainbow. The last 3 songs I've really enjoyed. I enjoyed playing in D minor Scarborough fair and Raisins and Almonds were both fun to play. My teacher showed me some helpful tips on raisins and almonds to get the left hand playing mp while the right is mf while still accenting the first note for each measure on the left hand.

He's got the whole world in his hands was the hardest of the three to get down but the easiest to polish off. I'm enjoying The Entertainer so far hopefully Amazing Grace is as enjoyable.
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#1601034 - 01/19/11 06:15 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Awesome, nipo! I can't wait to get to those songs.

I found the Music Centre on campus and have been there twice this week. As much as I like my CLP-320 I would definitely own an acoustic piano if I lived in a detached house. Also, even these cheap ancient uprights have better keys than my CLP-320 (which seemed better than cheaper models I tried). I must resist spending money until the end of the year, though! This is what I've been playing on this week - http://www.pianospares.com/john-broadwood-and-sons-upright-piano/default.htm.

I've pretty much got Blow the Man Down in about 2 hours of practice. It's very fun if you play it at a fast speed!
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#1601174 - 01/19/11 10:45 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: nipo]
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Hi Nipo,

I really enjoyed the Amazing Grace piece. I think it has a lot of flexibility it that you can make it your own. Play it fast play it slow etc. Just remember the triplets. I over looked them at first.

Enjoy!
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#1601247 - 01/20/11 02:16 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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denjin, nice you can practise in campus.

I am in "Standing in the need of Prayer" and playing Hanon exercises. How much time did you spend in Hanon Aerobics before start the next one (Alouette)?

I played some pieces of "Christmas Book - Level 1" in Christmas (at up "Suzy Snowflake"). It is an easy book, good for starters play something at Christmas.

Now I am planning to start the first piece of "All Time Favourites" book.

nipo, The Entertainer is one piece that I would like to play. I will arrive there sooner or later...
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