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#2308670 - 07/29/14 06:47 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I want to branch out too karamanathan. I'm going to at least finish book one before I really focus on anything else. I think the basics of piano, reading both staves, understanding chords, keys, timing, dynamics... These things are essential and it doesn't matter where you learn them.

I've been looking at a few things on YouTube, there's plenty of easy blues stuff to get started on. Jazz is like blues but more complicated. A lot of pop stuff is very easy to if all you want to do is play chords and and sing or a simple melody.

However I think it's worth it to get through AIO book one, and it's really not difficult. I mean it is, but not compared to the struggles that are coming with 'real' music. In this way I firmly think about Alfred's time as learning time, my like of the song or enjoyment of playing is secondary to learning. If I want to have fun learning a Disney song I do that afterwards.
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#2308788 - 07/30/14 01:08 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I hear you Karmanathan, I feel the same way at times. I just want to be able to play real music and I want to play it NOW lol! In all seriousness what Andrew says is true though, all these little songs we are learning are all leading us towards where we want to head. I'm finding that learning the piano is incredibly difficult, there are so many things to focus on at the one time. I am just mastering being able to use both hands and do the dynamics at the same time, I have to say my biggest struggle is sight reading. I have sort of got the treble notes down pat but I really have to think about the bass notes. I think that's where Alfred's is good, because the more I plug away at it the more I am slowly ingraining those notes into my head. I have also downloaded a note reading app to my phone and that helps too, but I secretly envy people who just look at music and it all comes automatically to them. Good job on that last song too Andrew. smile


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#2308791 - 07/30/14 01:45 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I'm holding steady with my little group of songs. Today's focus while working on those songs was on the crescendos and diminuendos, and the MFs, Ps, etc., and trying to lighten up on the chords while bringing out the melody more.

Andrew: I'm not familiar with "O Sole Mio!," but it sounded nice to me. Loved the arpeggiated chords. I'm not sure my fingers can move that quickly.

karmanathan: I don't know how far along you are in the book, but in the self-teaching version in the Eigth Notes section (where "Happy Birthday to You" is) the authors say, "Before we end this lesson, I'd like to give you some good news. With the completion of this lesson you can play a lot more music than you might think." Then it goes on to promote some of their level one, big note series, and greatest hits songbooks. So this sounds like that point you're asking about.

Mandy:
You're doing great if you're mastering HT with dynamics. I have to get the notes and fingering well under control before I start working on the dynamics. I think I do ok with the phrasing and rhythm for the most part, but learning to control the volume is another matter.
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#2308867 - 07/30/14 09:09 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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In all honesty TX I have my piano teacher to thank for that, she really pushes me to play dynamics as soon as I see them, otherwise I am a slacker and would try and avoid them until I thought I had the notes totally down pat. Mind you I sometimes think that it would be much easier (and kinder) to do it that way. What songs are you working on at the moment? I've gone a bit ahead of what I'm doing at lessons and have had a go at all the songs up to Alpine Melody, but I still have a looooonnng way to go before I can play them in some way that they actually resemble the melody lol.
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#2308873 - 07/30/14 09:21 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I am interested in this book since I am a complete newbie. I googled "Alfred's Adult Piano Course Level one," and the Amazon site shows the following:
Too many books
So I am confused which book I should get. Help?

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#2308878 - 07/30/14 09:40 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Hi Dancer, I'm probably not the one to answer this as I'm a complete newbie too. But I started learning with Alfred's Complete Level 1 for the Later Beginner, but then I found a copy of Alfred's Basic Adult Piano Course (which I think is one of the books this thread is based on?) and I have been using that too. I personally am loving using the 2 books as when they have the same song, they are played totally different so I am learning different techniques. However, I didn't have to make a financial outlay for the 2nd book. If I had to choose one obviously the Basic one seems to be better for getting forum advice for, and doesn't have so many kiddy kind of tunes, but it does push you more. In the first book (Complete) I am over half way through it and haven't even started playing full chords yet, but with the Basic book you start chords on page 18. I can't comment on the All In One book though as I haven't seen it. I do think I came across it on eBay though? Anyway I hope this all helps, but hopefully someone with more experience might be able to advise you too. :-)


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#2308899 - 07/30/14 10:57 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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DancerJ, If you don't have a teacher, take a look at the self-teaching version. Otherwise, I recommend the Adult All-In-One version, which has some helpful music theory mixed in that progresses along with the material.
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#2309101 - 07/30/14 09:09 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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I am actually at Happy Birthday this week. It actually came pretty easy. I was stuck on Alpine Melody for a few weeks. I practice a few hours a week. I have the All in One Course. Teacher has not been focused on things like pedals, Fermata, crescendo/diminuendo which is probably good because it may be too much for my brain right now, focus is on site reading and some timing. I am sure there will be focus on the nuances later.

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#2309147 - 07/31/14 12:39 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Mandy: My ex-teacher suggested I get the notes first, then dynamics. Whatever works, I guess. I'm done now with 2 of the songs I was talking about, "Standing in the Need of Prayer," and "Alouette." I just need another day or two to wrap up "Lavender's Blue" and "Kum-Ba-Yah!"

DancerJ: Hello and welcome. I second ajames recommendations.

karmanathan: The happy birthday song is a good one to play around with to try and mimic the goofy, exaggerated way people sing it at parties. So you're just about to start "Standing in the Need of Prayer." I enjoyed learning that one, hope you do too.
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#2309566 - 07/31/14 11:01 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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Thanks for sharing O Sole Mio, Andrew. I'm familiar with it but could not find the rhythm until I watched you play it.
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#2309584 - 07/31/14 11:44 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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I have a probably really stupid question to ask here, but some music that I am trying to play has a B flat followed by a B sharp, what note do I play for the B sharp? Is it C?
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#2309598 - 08/01/14 12:52 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Hello everyone! My practice today consisted of reviewing the material in Alfreds all in one book, starting at the C positon (pg 12) and doing all the exercises and songs up to the G position (pg 50). I may have fumbled a little here or there, but for the most part it went really well.

Mike: Welcome to Piano World. smile

Mandy: I don't know the answer to your question, but hopefully someone else who does will come along. In the meantime, can you upload an image for a visual?
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#2309637 - 08/01/14 03:40 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Next stupid question.... How do I upload pics onto here? blush


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#2309646 - 08/01/14 04:09 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: MandyD]
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Originally Posted By: MandyD
I have a probably really stupid question to ask here, but some music that I am trying to play has a B flat followed by a B sharp, what note do I play for the B sharp? Is it C?


Are you sure it is not a typo, and it supposed to be written as " natural" sign (to cancel the B flat)?

Which musical piece is that? Maybe we can search for it in our books or in the net :-)

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#2309672 - 08/01/14 06:35 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Andrew, that sounds fantastic ! I'm at about the same spot in the book as you, but that sounds a lot more polished than my effort. How long have you been playing ? I started in Sept 2013.
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#2309677 - 08/01/14 07:20 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Pete R]
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"Mike: Welcome to Piano World. "

Thank you, TX.
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#2309703 - 08/01/14 08:10 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Thanks EnGee smile I just played it as a normal B and it sounded ok so that must be what it means. smile Edited to ad its the Alfred's Greatest Hits L1 book, Beauty and the Beast.


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#2309714 - 08/01/14 08:32 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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MandyD
To answer your questions, yes, if you did see a piece with a B-sharp indicated, you would play the C. There are reasons for writing it that way (instead of just writing it as a C) but that's more advanced. I can't imagine that you would ever see that in a beginner's method book, so yeah it was most likely a B natural to cancel out the flat. When you see an accidental (a flat or a sharp) applied to a note, it applies to the rest of the notes of that type in that measure. If you want to undo it within that measure, you use the natural sign. Sometimes you'll see an accidental in parentheses. That's known as a courtesy accidental. It doesn't have to be there according to the "rules" but sometimes the composer (or editor) will include it as a reminder. So for example, you might see a note flatted in one measure, and then in the next measure see a courtesy natural to remind you that the note should no longer be flatted.

As for how to post pictures, if you go to the main thread page, one of the first post is a sticky thread that explains how to post pictures. smile

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#2309985 - 08/01/14 08:36 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: MandyD]
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Glad you could sort it out MandyD :-) fizikisto has explained it in details (Thanks, I also learnt from it).

I don't have "Alfred's Greatest Hits Level 1" book. I thought to buy it, but some reviews in Amazon.com said it is a little bit hard, so I thought to wait till I reach near the end of Alfred's All In One Level 1.

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#2310035 - 08/01/14 11:48 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Today I finished reviewing all the stuff I've learned so far, starting from where I left off yesterday at the G position all the way up to "London Bridge." Yeah, that was a lot of review! I have to say, I hope pedaling gets easier. Tomorrow I will start in on "Blow the Man Down." eek

I have also started learning a piece that I hope to submit to the recital. I'm not sure I'll be able to get it presentable in time, though. Such is the life of a procrastinator. blush

Mandy: Are you doing the recital piece with your daughter?

Pete R and EnGee: Are you guys doing anything for the recital?
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#2310075 - 08/02/14 03:32 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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Hi Linda, I'm glad you are preparing something for the Recital. Which scale is it? (Although I know some scales/chords, but according to my current study, I can do C Major or A minor, the white keys only :-)

Well, I thought to answer "No, I won't participate", but after I read the first post in the thread "Recital 35 ..." I started to think "Why not? maybe I can submit something!". So, I will see really if I can play something (very short and simplified of course) from Mozart. If the recording won't be ready to submit, I might submit "Jingle Bells" :-D

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#2310083 - 08/02/14 03:55 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: EnGee]
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Originally Posted By: EnGee


Well, I thought to answer "No, I won't participate", but after I read the first post in the thread "Recital 35 ..." I started to think "Why not? maybe I can submit something!". So, I will see really if I can play something (very short and simplified of course) from Mozart. If the recording won't be ready to submit, I might submit "Jingle Bells" :-D


Very glad to hear you are thinking about participating, I think it is good for everyone, no matter their skill level, to do so. Just the increased time spent on a piece to polish it, and then the pressure to record are beneficial to development. The more the merrier.
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#2310159 - 08/02/14 09:26 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Thanks so much for the advice, I really appreciate the responses and have learnt something from them. smile

I have to work out how to record something and then put it in the right format, so if I can do that then I might submit something. I was going to do the Beauty and the Beast tune I've been practicing, but I can't get it right so I might go for something simple from Alfred's instead. My daughter hasn't mentioned anything else about it so I'm hoping she's forgotten or I'll have to hear either Ode to Joy or Skipping Frogs for the 10th million time! blush I wish she'd play something else but she's happy in her little comfort zone. Luckily the teacher keeps slowly pushing her out of it. The sad thing is that I'm sure she can read the music better than I can but she still struggles with getting her fingers to find the right keys.

Is there anyone else who is submitting something from Alfred's? EnGee I'm glad to hear your having a go and I'm sure what ever you submit will be great. smile


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#2310164 - 08/02/14 09:49 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: earlofmar]
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Thanks earlofmar,
Yes it will be a very useful experience to try and sound really good with nice dynamics and without mistakes shocked

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#2310485 - 08/03/14 01:57 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Is everyone having a good weekend? I did some note reading today using the note trainer app and also some sight reading from music sheets. Then I started working on "Blow the Man Down." I managed to do HT for the first 7 measures at a snail's pace. And then a little practice on the recital piece. I'm thinking my practice time for the next couple of weeks will consist mostly of trying to get this one piece (that I may have to shorten) ready by the deadline.

EnGee: The key signature (is that the same as scale?) on the piece I'll be playing is mostly G major, but 1 section is C major, and another section is D major. The chords are C, G, & D7.

Mandy: I hope you'll come up with something and get the recording/converting stuff figured out. I successfully recorded a song not that long ago, but then when I tried to record something the other day it came out all muffled/muted sounding. I must have accidentally changed something in the setup. I don't know what, though.
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#2310522 - 08/03/14 07:08 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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That's a shame TX, but good on you for how your going with Blow the Man Down. I looked at that today as I was flicking through the book and thought "ummmmm, I think I'll be passing on this one at the moment" lol. My eldest daughter suggested recording on her iPad so I might have a go at that and see what happens, hopefully there may even be some whiz bang app that I can download.
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#2310524 - 08/03/14 07:24 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Linda, What is this recital you speak of ?
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#2310533 - 08/03/14 08:16 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: TX-Bluebonnet]
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Originally Posted By: TX-Bluebonnet

EnGee: The key signature (is that the same as scale?).


TX-Bluebonnet
Sort of, but not exactly. The key signature simply tells you which notes to sharp or flat in the piece, but that's related to the scale on which the song is built. Consider, for example, a piece with no sharps or flats. That piece could be built on the C Major Scale. Or it could be built on the A Minor Scale. Or it could be built on the D dorian scale, or one of the other so-called Modes which start on the other white notes. In western music, the vast majority of songs are built on either major or minor scales.

Scales are built up of a specific pattern of intervals. The distance between any two adjacent notes on the piano is a half step. Two half steps is a whole step. Think of playing only the white keys. If you play the white keys in an octave going from C to C, you can see that there will be a pattern of whole steps and half steps. From C ->D is a whole step (black key between them, so 2 half steps), From D -> E is a whole step, but from E -> F is only a half step (no key in between them). The full pattern of the major scale is WWHWWWH.

2 points about that:

1) If instead of starting on C, you start on another white note and play all the white notes in that octave, you'll get a different pattern of whole steps and half steps. If you start on A, you'll get the pattern that corresponds to the minor scale.

2) If you start on a different key than C, but you apply the Major scale formula of steps, you'll get a different major scale (one that inevitably includes some black notes). Since a song written based on that scale (or in that key, as they say) is almost always going to use those black notes, they are indicated by the key signature.

One might ask, what's the difference between a song built on the C major scale vs the A minor scale, since those scales both just use the white notes? The main difference is that different chords are more likely to be used, and that affects how the song sounds. Songs written in A minor tend to sound more somber, sometimes even melancholy. Songs written in C major tend to sound more happy. Each key has its own characteristic sound that can evoke a particular mood.

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#2310597 - 08/03/14 11:57 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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P.S. Getting off topic a bit, but here's a really fun thing showing the difference in mood that can come from a song being in a different key.

Here's the REM song "Losing My religion"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2gHt-U1eSg

And here's the same song, with all the pitches shifted from a minor key to a major key

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6KmiIq2-m8

It's the same song, but simply changing the key gives it a really different feeling.
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#2310623 - 08/03/14 01:21 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Those two videos are very interesting and educational. Please post more if you see more examples like them.

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