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#1243708 - 08/04/09 11:37 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Quagles]
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Quagles,

The videos you see of them hitting the E flat all 3 times are right. When a sharp or flat sign appears before a note, that note is always sharp and flat for the rest of the measure, unless its canceled by a neutral sign. Go on page 96 in your all in one book if you have that one where it teaches you the flat sign...the song is Rock it away and it tells you there. It also explains it on page 54 when it teaches you about the Sharp sign...the song is Money cant buy everything.

So basically, when a sharp/flat sign appears before a note, that note is sharp/flat for the whole measure.
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#1243709 - 08/04/09 11:37 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Quagles]
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Quagles

Once a note is indicated to be flat or sharp by the b or # sign, that note is to be played flat or sharp for the remainder of the measure. Unless, it is canceled by the little square sign (which I can't type).
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#1243710 - 08/04/09 11:38 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Strings & Wood]
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Hi Romolo!
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#1243712 - 08/04/09 11:41 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: marimorimo]
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Thanks marimorimo!
I bet those patients would have been happy to hear you play.
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#1243717 - 08/04/09 11:49 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Strings & Wood]
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Hi Carl Mc
I beat you by 10 seconds :P
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#1243792 - 08/05/09 06:11 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: romolo]
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Thanks both, I see it now and somehow missed that on both occasions which is a bit stupid of me, think I better repeat Rock it Away once more. But I think there's only once or twice where it would apply anyways, so its not like I have to relearn it. The blues should be even easier now, because the problem initially was pretty much getting fast enough up from normal to flat on the next measure.

The worst part is that I had read about the natural sign yesterday as well, and didn't even put 1+1 together from that :p

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#1244891 - 08/06/09 04:44 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Quagles]
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No more than half an hour ago, my brand new polished ebony
Yamaha T118 arrived.

I have been working on Entertainer using my beat up keyboard while I was between my old Lester that I sold prematurely and my new Yamaha. I sat down at the Yamaha and immediately felt better about the piece. amazing. I'm no better at playing it, but I feel better. Even the mistakes sound better.

But now I can't even practice until at least Saturday since we are having a party tomorrow that we have to prepare for. So tomorrow I entertain, then on saturday I play Entertain. or try to.

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#1245892 - 08/08/09 07:54 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: dukeofhesse]
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Congratulations Duke on your new piano wink hope you'll get a lot of enjoyment out of it.

Moved to a new place on thursday, so haven't really had any chance to practice in the last days, and still on got those blues, but I think I'm ready to move on tommorow since it pretty much sat before moving. Though vacation ends on tuesday, so I hope it won't effect my improvements too much.

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#1247009 - 08/10/09 11:14 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Quagles]
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grr...The Entertainer is hard lol
I'm pretty much got it, just need it to flow.
I'm working on Amazing Grace as well and that's coming along well so I'm almost down.:)
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#1248363 - 08/13/09 10:03 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: romolo]
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Congrats Romolo, you're almost done. I had a hard time finding our thread, it had dropped all the way to page 4, I'm guessing we've all been too busy trying to finish up this first book that we haven't had time to post.

Lessons finally got back on schedule last night, I've only had one lesson in each of June and July due to mine and my teacher's summer schedules. I'm officially up to O Sole Mio (sp). With a first run through, I'm not much caring for that song. I haven't decided yet if its difficult or jut different, need to spend some time with it.

I'm hoping to get through Jericho and The Stranger as well before my next lesson. Right now that feels like a challenge to me, but sometimes once I get started I realize a piece or pieces aren't as difficult as they looked in the beginning. And I have to say PianoNewbAlex's You tube videos have been a life saver. There are many times I would have just looked at a song and given up if I didn't have them to refer to. Does anyone know if he is a member here? I'd love to thank him personally for all of his work and effort posting the videos for everyone's use and reference.

In the Greatest Hits, I'm working on Beauty and the Beast, not too hard, infact it seems more simplified than It's a Small World and Tomorrow that I just finished. I'll probably have that one nailed in a day or so, not sure what is next in the GH book after that, haven't looked that far recently.

My plan is still to be done with Book 1 by October and spend the remainder of the year working on a Christmas repertoire before moving on to Book 2 at the first of the year. I think I'm still on track to make my plan.

Well, keep up the good work all!

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#1248416 - 08/13/09 11:20 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: BarbVA]
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I don't think Pianonewb is a member of this forum sadly, his videos has saved me a lot of work, and helped me when I made mistakes. Skipped two of the blues songs, I just said forget it, coudln't find any videos either to help me in a direction and barely even attempted either of em.

Though finished On top of old Smokey (easier than I thought). The Can-can on the other hand looks like a completely different obstacle. Having checked the vid, playing that at that speed isn't going to be easy at all, slowly it can go somewhat but playing fast songs isn't something I'm used to yet. I think I might be stuck on this for some time, and probably gonna work on Marines hymn as well in a day or two, I like having 2 pieces to vary with when learning occasionally.

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#1248647 - 08/13/09 05:40 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Quagles]
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Hey guys,

I've been lurking here for about 3 month - this is how long I've been playing the piano. Read this forum at least twice, all 86 pages. You can't imagine how helpful it was. I'm on my own, I don't have any friends who play piano, I didn't have a teacher - I'm just looking for one now. Hoping to start in the fall and very excited about it. This forum provided a great sense of a community, answered so many questions and just helped not to feel alone, or all on my own. I think I would've quit if not for this forum. When things got hard ( quite a few times) I read how everybody else struggled with it and then moved on. I saw that people who started from 0 got to level 2 and then 3. It gave me hope that I will too. So far I'm up to "Go Down Moses", although I skipped O Sole Mio and Greensleeves. I will get back to it after Moses. I usually don't skip pieces but these 2 just didn't feel right and I needed to move on and play something nice. I liked the Stranger and Moses a lot. I'm on "All in one book".

A question for the ladies with small kids, how do you find time to play? I have a 3.5 year old girl and a 1 year old boy. The piano is my gift for myself, something I love, something I do for myself only. I also work full time, so finding time is a challenge. It's only after the kids go to sleep that I can close the door and play. (A reason why I can't get an acoustic, although I really want one) Hopefully when the kids are older we'll get one. I hope they will want to play too.

Anyway, there are lots of questions I'd like to ask, after reading the forum you all seem like friends to me already. I probably will be mostly lurking again though, time is an issue. Great job,everyone, keep it up!

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#1248712 - 08/13/09 07:53 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Kanadka]
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Welcome Kanadka! Sounds like you are making great progress. I'm glad to hear that you will be revisiting the songs that you skipped. When I feel like skipping a song in the lesson book, I always tell myself "There is something to learn in that song wether I know it right now or like the sound of it". I actually renamed Little Brown Jug to I Hate This Song and sang that in my head as I was playing, as it was the only way I could have fun with it, and it worked, lol. I have skipped two songs in the Greatest Hits book, but I see that as more entertainment and reinforcing than learning, so I don't feel guilty, lol.

As for the young children, I didn't start until my youngest was 6 and my oldest was 23, so I can't exactly relate. My youngest had already been taking lessons. But, having raised 5 little ones, if I had it to do all over again, I'd have simply taken time to practice while they were around, especially the 3.5 year old who can entertain herself for short periods while you are in the room. I think exposing them to it early in life is your best shot at ingraining the love for piano in them. Do you ever use a playpen for your 1 year old (I only ask that because you could put him in and know he is safe while you concentrate on your music)? I'd sit both of them down with some toys to occupy them, no tv or video and just play for them, they won't recognize your mistakes and I bet they will come to love the sound of piano as a memory of their early childhood. Well, good luck and welcome again!!!!!

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#1249029 - 08/14/09 10:49 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: BarbVA]
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Thanks, BarbVA. I used to play a lot with my son happily playing with his toys in the same room, but now that he's learning to walk all he wants to do is walk walk walk. (Keeps falling down all the time so I have to be right near him to catch him smile Or he wants to climb on the piano and play himself.

Sometimes I feel guilty taking this time to learn the piano, but I'm a happier person for doing it and also I hope I'll be able to help the kids when they start taking lesson. So it wouldn't be do as I say not as I do. They'll see that I practise as much as they have to.

I actually liked Little Brown Jug as this is one of the songs I really knew - having small kids has it's benefits. LOL.

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#1249553 - 08/14/09 11:51 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Mark...]
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Hello all! My name is Ben.

I really want to start playing again, but for the most part, I want to learn on my own. I plan to take a lesson maybe once a month to make sure I'm on track. So, I have my Scales, Chords and Arpeggios book and Alfred's Adult All-In-One Course: Level 2 book. I took about two months of private lessons, starting back in May. When I switched teachers after about a month, my new teacher started me on Alfred's level 2 book. Anyway, I also got a new keyboard, the Casio CTK-720. It's not much, but it came into Goodwill and I needed a stepping stone!

So, those are my resources now, can you help me from here? Should I buy Alfred's All-In-One level 1 book? Should I buy Alfred's seperate lesson and theory books instead of the All-In-One? Which is better in terms of learning on one's own? Should I buy different piano books? I just need to know the best resources for learning on my own. I'm not too interested in computer resources though. I don't mind posting a thread on a forum here and there, but I'd rather read music theory or piano lessons from a book.

So what do you think? Thanks!

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#1249959 - 08/15/09 06:55 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: benghaner1]
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Welcome Ben. The All-in-one Level 1 Book is your best bet but from what you say you're already into the second book already, or at least your teacher started you on it. Buying the Alfred theory and lesson separate is a bad idea, as the All-in-one's got it all, but it has a few other songs as well I believe like Auld Lang Syne and Lullaby I think. But its a bit of a waste of money if this is something you already know about. Still learning on your own I find the Alfred Books perfect and will give you an idea of the basics and to read sheet music.

I'm a bit tired and don't really know what I'm writing but in short, if already know everything from book one you're better of not getting it.

Ok so, Can-can is next to no progress, I hate it already, simple as that. Tried Marine's Hymn and that's pretty much down but I've got a question, the V7 chord (G Scale) confuses me. It says CAFD (though its obviously only 3 notes=, so which is the odd one? I'm very tired so ill just get the point, is it CAFD, C,A,F, C,D,F or what? I've been playing CAF but I'm nowhere sure if it right so please someone confirm wink. So V7 chord on G-scale!

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#1249996 - 08/15/09 08:04 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Quagles]
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Quagles.... The V7 cord in the G scale is D7th which is D, F# A and C. A chord is made of a root (D), third(F#) and 5th(A). A 7th chord adds a 7th(C). Most of the time you can drop the 5th note to make it easier to play. In playing "Can Can" and "The Marines Hymn" the song uses the 1st inversion of the D7th chord so you don't have to move your hand around so much. The first inversion of the D7th chord is F#, C, (A which is dropped) and D.

I hope this helps......


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#1250010 - 08/15/09 08:44 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Kanadka]
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Originally Posted By: Kanadka
Sometimes I feel guilty taking this time to learn the piano,

"Me" time is okay.
Our singlular purpose on this planet is not pro-creation.
If so, why would we ever have needed to crawl out of the ocean...?
(and that is a rhetorical metaphor, not a secular indictment... grin)

I have a feeling that when your kids are learning to talk and sing, they will do so around your piano playing.
So, there may be some irony in your guilt... since your piano time will most likely aid in their development and mutual family enjoyment.

Have fun with it... I am.
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#1250029 - 08/15/09 09:26 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Quagles]
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Originally Posted By: Quagles
Welcome Ben. The All-in-one Level 1 Book is your best bet but from what you say you're already into the second book already, or at least your teacher started you on it. Buying the Alfred theory and lesson separate is a bad idea, as the All-in-one's got it all, but it has a few other songs as well I believe like Auld Lang Syne and Lullaby I think. But its a bit of a waste of money if this is something you already know about. Still learning on your own I find the Alfred Books perfect and will give you an idea of the basics and to read sheet music.

I'm a bit tired and don't really know what I'm writing but in short, if already know everything from book one you're better of not getting it.


Well, my teacher startd me on the level 2 book and I worked through it for about 2 weeks until my practicing slowed down for various reasons. Anyway, I'm on Guantanamera and my last hurdle was learning timing and rythym. I got so frustrated because my first teacher said she plays by ear - inferring that she doesn't have to count notes anymore. Then my last teacher tells me to count the notes, but she says it's up to me whether I want to count like "1,2,3,4" or "1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and" or a mixture of both depending on the complexity of the measure. At home, I was so frustrated with this because it was so hard for me to say the counting words, read the notes and play.

Anyway, that's the hurdle I'm at. Should I buy level 1? It's only 7 dollars. Will level 1 teach me about rythym, counting and the sorts when learning new songs? Thanks!

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#1250103 - 08/15/09 11:46 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: benghaner1]
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benghaner1,

If you're having difficulties with rhythm and counting while you read and play the notes then I highly recommend you get Book 1 and work on that first. In book 1, you learn a couple of time signatures and how to count the beats in each one and you also learn about the eighth notes and how to count those while playing a piece. Though you may not need to go through the entire book, I think some parts of the book will help you out and therefore it is worth to get.
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#1250224 - 08/16/09 09:44 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: romolo]
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Originally Posted By: romolo
benghaner1,

If you're having difficulties with rhythm and counting while you read and play the notes then I highly recommend you get Book 1 and work on that first. In book 1, you learn a couple of time signatures and how to count the beats in each one and you also learn about the eighth notes and how to count those while playing a piece. Though you may not need to go through the entire book, I think some parts of the book will help you out and therefore it is worth to get.
I have no problem reading the rythym of the notes - I fully understand time signatures and the worth of each note as a beat depending on the signiture. My last teacher wanted me to count aloud "1,2,3,4" or "1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and" or some mixture of both depending on the complexity of the measure (like "1,2,3 and 4 and" for example). She left that option up to me which frustated me to no end.

My biggest hurdle right now is trying to read the measures with my eyes, count the words aloud and play with my muscles. I feel like I'm thinking about too many things by saying these "rythm" words aloud. Because this is a big hurdle and my last teacher didn't give me a clear direction on how to overcome it, I got frustrated. So, with this in mind, what do you think? In "learning piano yourself" books, there's got to be a point in which the author teaches a student every aspect on how to learn a song. I know that when the song is perfected, one doesn't have to count all the time, but it's learning the perfect rythym in the beginning that I'm very unclear on how to do.

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#1250238 - 08/16/09 10:09 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: benghaner1]
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When you are learning all of those things at once, you will need to slow it down. That is the key- slow it down. Once you start to feel the count and the fingers begin to anticipate where to go, you can start to bring it up to speed. As you practice and learn new pieces this will happen more quickly. If there is a particular section giving you trouble ask your teacher if she can give you a word phrase that will help you remember the flow. I remember a piece that was giving me a lot of trouble and my teacher told me to think "hey big spender" when I would get to this spot. It worked, I never forgot.

Here is my last submission from the AIO Book 1. Hope to see all of you in Book 2.

"Amazing Grace"

http://www.box.net/shared/1evyg15ako


Edited by Carl Mc (08/16/09 10:25 AM)
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#1250241 - 08/16/09 10:31 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Strings & Wood]
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Originally Posted By: Carl Mc
When you are learning all of those things at once, you will need to slow it down. That is the key- slow it down. Once you start to feel the count and the fingers begin to anticipate where to go, you can start to bring it up to speed. As you practice and learn new pieces this will happen more quickly. If there is a particular section giving you trouble ask your teacher if she can give you a word phrase that will help you remember the flow. I remember a piece that was giving me a lot of trouble and my teacher told me to think "hey big spender" when I would get to this spot. It worked, I never forgot.
So, are you saying I should count "1,2,3,4" or "1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and" or some mixture of both, but just slowly in the beginning of my learning? If so, which one? And I don't really have a teacher anymore. I'm going to start learning on my own and take a lesson once in a while to make sure I'm on the right track.

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#1250244 - 08/16/09 10:40 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: benghaner1]
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You will use both. I use the 1,2,3,4, when counting 1/4 & 1/2 notes. I use the "1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and" when counting 1/8 notes and dotted 1/4 notes.
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#1250246 - 08/16/09 10:56 AM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: benghaner1]
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I agree with Carl, slowing way down is the key to learning to play. Another trick that my teacher gave me is to break down the song into eighth notes. That will help with the rythym. I have a practice speed and a performance speed. Practice slowly it gives your brain time to think about things like counting, dynamics, phrasing and such.

Carl you did a really nice job on Amazing Grace. You got those rolled chords down really well. Glad you are joining us over in book 2. I have been kind of stalled in book two for awhile so maybe we can work together over there.
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#1250276 - 08/16/09 12:24 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: Strings & Wood]
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Originally Posted By: Carl Mc
You will use both. I use the 1,2,3,4, when counting 1/4 & 1/2 notes. I use the "1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and" when counting 1/8 notes and dotted 1/4 notes.
So, when I learn a new song, I should plow through the whole song by playing slowly and counting every measure? I also read that when I finish plowing through a song for the first time, I should then practice the hard sections. How long do I continue counting all of this?

Also, I've also noticed that I accidently speed up or slow down my counting. How do I know I'm playing the song at a consistent rythym?

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#1250340 - 08/16/09 02:45 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: benghaner1]
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I try to learn the song in sections of a few bars with an overlap of a note or two. I play slowly until I can play the section without any hesitations. Then I slowly bring up the speed.
Once I can play that part easily I go on to the next section. I try to figure out what the harder sections are and start by learning them. You don't need to spend as much time on the parts you can play easily. Counting is good until until you have the section underhand. Use a metronome every once in awhile to check yourself.
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#1250347 - 08/16/09 02:58 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: wj3]
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What do you all think about these books (below) on top of my Alfred's All-In-One books?

Alfred's Essentials of Music Theory
http://www.amazon.com/Alfreds-Essentials...8840&sr=1-1

The Piano Handbook
http://www.amazon.com/Piano-Handbook-Com...840&sr=1-2#

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#1250357 - 08/16/09 03:29 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: benghaner1]
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Hello all,
I'm working on "Amazing Grace" in Alfred's Adult Beginners book 1. It seems to have a triplet on the third beat of every single complete measure. This seems a little monotonous. Poking around the web, I find various arrangements of A.G., and most have a triplet on the third beat of every fourth measure, or at most, every other measure. Should this piece be looked at just as a triplet exercise, and not worth remembering over the long term?
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#1250361 - 08/16/09 03:36 PM Re: Alfred's Basic and ALL in One Adult Piano Course Book #1 [Re: joflah]
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I accidentally posted an irrelevant reply to benghaner's post; I actually wanted to make a new post. Sorry.
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