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#1072467 - 11/24/04 10:01 PM Scale Chord Agreement or Relationship
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In Alfred's Lesson Book Level One, Page 41, there is a tune "Alpine Melody". As there are no sharps or flats in the signature I am assuming it is in the C Scale. Is this assumption correct? If so, my question is, why are the chords used, G, and D7 which includes an F sharp? Do not G and D refer to the scales rather than the chords. This seems to me to be a mix and match as I understood C scale has no sharps or flats. If this sounds confused it is because I am confused. There does not seem to be any limit to the chords that can be constructed, without any regard to what scale you are supposedly in.

Can anyone figure out what I am trying to say let alone know the answer?
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#1072468 - 11/24/04 10:17 PM Re: Scale Chord Agreement or Relationship
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it could be either C major or A minor without # or b in signature. you may check the last chord of the piece to determine which one it actually is. also, for A minor, there is natural and hamonic minor difference and the latter would include # in some of its chords.

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#1072469 - 11/24/04 10:49 PM Re: Scale Chord Agreement or Relationship
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That piece is in G-major. You can tell because it starts and ends with a G chord. The reason they don't have the sharp in the signature is because they haven't introduced the G-major scale yet. The only purpose for the piece is to introduce a different "home" position for the hand.

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#1072470 - 11/24/04 11:23 PM Re: Scale Chord Agreement or Relationship
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Oh I am also looking at this for a while. There are times when I see sharps & flats on the time signature. Am I right to say that if in the time signature there is only one # will be G major and if there are 2 # will be D major ?

But again there are also 1 # for E min and 2 # for B min.

Sorry I think I am as confused as DarrenT ...

By the way, if let's say you can tell that the piece of music is under G or D major, does it mean that only the keys of G or D major scale will be use ? And if that is so, do you postion your fingers at these few keys ?
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#1072471 - 11/24/04 11:38 PM Re: Scale Chord Agreement or Relationship
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Bob, thanks, that makes sense. That is exactly what the lesson was about, but I didn't know anything about the G scale not being introduced.
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#1072472 - 11/25/04 10:12 AM Re: Scale Chord Agreement or Relationship
Bob Muir Offline
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"But again there are also 1 # for E min and 2 # for B min"

Exactly. Just because there is one sharp in the signature doesn't mean the piece is necessarily in G-major. You have look at the final notes in the piece and sometimes at the overall piece to determine what key it's in.

"let's say you can tell that the piece of music is under G or D major, does it mean that only the keys of G or D major scale will be use?"

Nope. For the simple pieces in your method book, you'll see related key chords like C and F in a G-major piece. More advanced works will have more complicated related and contrasting chords and even key changes in the middle of the piece.

"do you postion your fingers at these few keys?"

You position your fingers where they can reach the next notes the best. For example if you play C, E, and G and the next note after G is C in the octave above, then you don't want to hit G with your pinky. You'll be able to reach the next note if you play C/E/G with the 1/2/3 fingers.

Don't worry, with practice, you'll get better and better at playing notes with different fingers in different positions.

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