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#1073085 - 12/15/08 01:47 PM
Learning with my Son??
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Registered: 12/15/08
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Loc: Alaska
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Hello. I am new to the board as well as the world of piano. I have played many band instruments so am familiar with reading music. I have a 7 year old son who is beginning lessons tonight. I am going to be with him and listening to what the instructor is telling him so I can help at home. I am wondering If I can learn at the same time or if anyone else has done this? We don't have enough money right now for both of us to take lessons. We have his little instruction book and then I bought the Alfred's All in One Adult book to supplement. Thank you, Julie
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#1073086 - 12/15/08 01:52 PM
Re: Learning with my Son??
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Registered: 04/12/08
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Loc: Central NC
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You will listen and you will learn. It will be so easy. But you will learn so much more quickly, you will only need to listen with one ear.
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#1073087 - 12/15/08 02:10 PM
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Registered: 09/25/08
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Loc: MA
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Sure! Why not. That's how I ended up doing Tae Kwon Do. My son started and I watched. Eventually I ended up signing up myself...
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#1073089 - 12/15/08 02:34 PM
Re: Learning with my Son??
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Registered: 04/24/05
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If you have experience with other instruments, then playing the piano should be no problem. Take a look at your piano keyboard. The seeming maze of 88 black and white keys might appear intimidating at first, compared to other instruments, but there is a relatively simply pattern among all those keys.
Note that the black keys occur in a repetitive pattern of twos and threes all along the keyboard. There are 7 complete sets of those 2 and 3 black key groups on an 88-key piano. These 2 and 3 black key groups marke the C octaves: the seven white keys surrounding each 2 and 3 black key group are the notes C D E F G A B, the familiar "do re mi fa so la ti" scale that we are so familiar with. Each seven white key group surrounding each 2 and 3 black key group are these same seven notes C D E F G A B, but at higher pitches as you go up the keyboard. Thus all those 88 keys are really just the same handful of notes, C D E F G A B.
On sht. music only seven different notes can ever be written, C D E F G A B, all white keys on the piano, those same seven white keys surrounding each 2 and 3 black key group. The black keys are never directly notated on score, but are indirectly indicated by sharp and flat signs.
The C on the piano that is nearest the center of the keyboard--usually marked by the manufacturer's symbol near the center of the piano--is notated by a note with a short line through it, immediately below the treble staff or immeditately above the bass staff. The notes D E F G A B, etc., are written on successive spaces and lines on the treble and bass staffs.
The single most important thing in playing the piano is to not look at your hands as much as possible when playing with sht. music (most teachers will not tell you this). This allows you to concentrate fully on reading the score. This also allows your hands to find the best fingering and technique on their own with no special effort on your part-- this greatly simplifies playing because you then don't have to worry about reading fingering numbers on the score or if your technique is correct. From this one most important thing all other skills and requirements needed for playing develop naturally with no special effort on your part: sight-reading, fingering and technqiue, ear training, memorization, improvisation, playing by ear, etc.
The black keys are a pianist's best friend because they provide reference points for finding notes when playing without looking at the hands. The most difficult thing to play on the piano is a passage on all white keys, as there are then no black keys for reference to find the notes. Note that a piano with all white keys would be all but unplayable.
When starting to play, you keep your eyes on the score as much as possible and just plop your hands on the keyboard in the vicinity of where most of the notes are and let your hands find the notes on their own. Don't worry about fingering and technique. Your hands will find the best fingering and technique on their own this way.
To get some idea of the possibilites on the piano before you even read a note, play the 4-note chords C E G B, D F A C, and E G B D, with the lt. hand. These are on every other white key starting with C, D, and E as the first note. Using just these three chords, in any order, you can then improvise all kinds of jazz-style songs, by ear, by playing just white keys with your rt. hand.
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#1073090 - 12/15/08 02:55 PM
Re: Learning with my Son??
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Loc: Briarcliff Manor, NY, USA
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Originally posted by Gyro:  The single most important thing in playing the piano is to not look at your hands as much as possible when playing with sht. music (most teachers will not tell you this). This allows you to concentrate fully on reading the score. This also allows your hands to find the best fingering and technique on their own with no special effort on your part-- this greatly simplifies playing because you then don't have to worry about reading fingering numbers on the score or if your technique is correct. From this one most important thing all other skills and requirements needed for playing develop naturally with no special effort on your part: sight-reading, fingering and technqiue, ear training, memorization, improvisation, playing by ear, etc.... Don't worry about fingering and technique. Your hands will find the best fingering and technique on their own this way.[/b] Nothing could be further from the truth, and such advice could not be more misguided even if it were deliberately intended to mislead and misinform. Steven
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#1073091 - 12/15/08 03:16 PM
Re: Learning with my Son??
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Registered: 04/12/05
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Loc: Williamsburg, VA
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Originally posted by Kymber:  Sure! Why not. That's how I ended up doing Tae Kwon Do. My son started and I watched. Eventually I ended up signing up myself... [/b] Sounds eerily familiar. Of course, not everything that begins well ends well. I busted my ACL. :p This is NOT a problem one is likely to encounter on the piano!
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#1073093 - 12/16/08 04:09 PM
Re: Learning with my Son??
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Registered: 08/17/04
Posts: 2280
Loc: Virginia, USA
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Given your band experience you have a good shot at making this work.
My daughter and I took back to back lessons from the same teacher. We used to argue in the car over whose turn it was to go first.
Interesting thing, though she practiced less than me and used less efficient methods, she learned faster. Age is a factor.
I've had several friends who enrolled their kids in piano lessons then tried to keep up themselves. All failed. But none had your background, I think you might pull this off.
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#1073094 - 12/16/08 04:14 PM
Re: Learning with my Son??
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Registered: 04/24/08
Posts: 888
Loc: Somewhere in Europe
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Originally posted by sotto voce: Originally posted by Gyro:  The single most important thing in playing the piano is to not look at your hands as much as possible when playing with sht. music (most teachers will not tell you this). This allows you to concentrate fully on reading the score. This also allows your hands to find the best fingering and technique on their own with no special effort on your part-- this greatly simplifies playing because you then don't have to worry about reading fingering numbers on the score or if your technique is correct. From this one most important thing all other skills and requirements needed for playing develop naturally with no special effort on your part: sight-reading, fingering and technqiue, ear training, memorization, improvisation, playing by ear, etc.... Don't worry about fingering and technique. Your hands will find the best fingering and technique on their own this way.[/b] Nothing could be further from the truth, and such advice could not be more misguided even if it were deliberately intended to mislead and misinform. Steven [/b] Gyro, you are pathetic... Horowitz for example, watch his hand almost all the time. Some pieces are imposible to play without looking on keyboard, thats one of the main reasons why more serious pianists memorize majority of pieces they play... Why do you copy paste your posts? You post are excatly the same posts all the time... And when people reply, you rather go into another thread to copy and paste again... Reading your post is like a... I rather won't go on that level of communication...
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