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#1101962 - 02/11/09 07:26 PM Recorder
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My teacher suggested that I record my playing in order to critique. Can anyone recommend a good digital device for this purpose?
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#1101963 - 02/11/09 07:43 PM Re: Recorder
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There are quite a few good ones around. I use an Olympus LS-10. It cost about $300, and the quality of recording is excellent. It comes with software for your computer so that you can put the recordings onto a CD or make mp3s out of them.

There are others that are less costly, and depending on your needs, might work as well.

Go to Guitar Center and ask a knowledgable guy about the choices.
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#1101964 - 02/11/09 08:04 PM Re: Recorder
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I just got my hands on a Sony PCM D50 two days ago - excellent audio quality!

I recorded a quick improvisation last night with it (as a test drive). I don't mind you listening to the audio sample/quality, but how do we load it up in this forum???
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#1101965 - 02/11/09 08:23 PM Re: Recorder
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I am a big fan of the Zoom, either the H4 or H2. Very affordable, portable, user-friendly, and yields practically fool-proof nice recordings. The H2 will set you back $164 on amazon, and the H4 is going for $256.

Search the archives for threads with "Zoom" as the subject of the thread for tons of information about it.

I my Zoom.
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#1101966 - 02/11/09 08:24 PM Re: Recorder
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p.s. to Chihuaha: You have to upload the recording to an external site like box.net and then just insert the link in your post.
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#1101967 - 02/11/09 08:28 PM Re: Recorder
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Thanks Monica :3hearts:

\:D
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#1101968 - 02/11/09 09:36 PM Re: Recorder
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Thanks to everyone for your suggestions.
Chihuahua, let me know when you load. I'd love to listen!
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#1101969 - 02/11/09 10:08 PM Re: Recorder
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imho, the Zooms will give the best bang for your buck. If you want better, you will have to spend at least 2 or 3 times more.

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#1101970 - 02/12/09 03:56 AM Re: Recorder
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I use a Logitec webcam with the Quickcam software. The sound is not as good as you would get with the digital recorders mentioned here.
With the cam I can see how my fingers are working.

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#1101971 - 02/15/09 08:50 PM Re: Recorder
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MVB,

Just uploaded my 1st test drive of my new Sony PCM D50.

Recording level was set at 3.5

Piano completely lid down, music desk closed, with piano cover (recorded late at night).

As I'm completely new with improvisation, please don't laugh. \:D

Here is the mutated version of "the christmas song." Will try again when I get the time ...

http://www.adrive.com/public/e53d2a8b46126922d004c8d508e2ce7f7f6f5bbf1f7b64b0c90a975e32d79e5e.html
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#1101972 - 02/16/09 08:04 PM Re: Recorder
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What's the sound quality on the Zoom H2 compared to the H4?

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#1101973 - 02/16/09 10:02 PM Re: Recorder
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Larisa,

I found this link extremely helpful.

Do click on individual models to read the comprehensive reviews on each make. I found the reviews generally accurate.

http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/audio/portable-recorder-comparison/
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#1101974 - 02/17/09 03:10 PM Re: Recorder
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Chihuahua,

What do you mean don't laugh?? It was marvelous!! If only I could play that well...... Anyway, the sound quality was great making the Sony well worth looking into. I just won't sound that good.
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#1101975 - 02/17/09 06:23 PM Re: Recorder
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Hi MVB,

Are you using an acoustic piano or keyboard?
If the later (as indicated in your profile), then you can also consider using a computer with suitable software (such as audacity). This would avoid any problems with room accoustics and so forth...

Elwyn
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#1101976 - 02/18/09 11:06 AM Re: Recorder
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Hi EJR,

I have an acoustic piano now. I started off with a keyboard but found after a few months that there is really no substitute for a "real piano" and decided to get one. The only time that the keyboard comes in handy is when people are sleeping and have to resort to the headset.
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#1101977 - 02/18/09 12:26 PM Re: Recorder
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Hi MVB,

"..only time that the keyboard comes in handy is when people are sleeping and have to resort to the headset..."

When I'm using headphones and a clavinova, I still get complaints that the clatter of the keys is too loud!

I've even had complaints from those upstairs in bed (when I've felt 'inspred' at 2.00 am) \:D

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#1101978 - 02/18/09 12:36 PM Re: Recorder
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I'm also going to get a recorder, and was thinking about Tascam's new DR-07.

The price is close to the H2's, uses AA batteries (unlike the DR-1), and has variable-speed and variable-pitch audition functions.

I'll probably get a mini tripod for it.

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#1101979 - 02/18/09 04:57 PM Re: Recorder
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This seems as good a place to ask as any.

I've been recording with a Sony Handycam and an external mic. I get sound that is acceptable. Since I've been having video issues, I was just going to use Audacity and the external mic plugged directly into a pc. I can't get any signficant volume at all. I can hear it. It's not mic settings or record level that I know of, but it's very very quiet on playback. This can be duplicated on two laptops as well, both running Vista.

Anyone encounter a similar issue?

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#1101980 - 02/19/09 10:17 AM Re: Recorder
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Elwyn,

I understand where you're coming from. I try not to bang on the keys using, as my teacher would say, the soft and gentle touch. I know this doesn't apply to all scores and, yes, I have been told that the clatter can be heard even on another floor when expressing some dynamics. So, all I can say is watch the dynamics.
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#1101981 - 02/19/09 01:25 PM Re: Recorder
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 Quote:
Originally posted by noxiousdog:
This seems as good a place to ask as any.

I've been recording with a Sony Handycam and an external mic. I get sound that is acceptable. Since I've been having video issues, I was just going to use Audacity and the external mic plugged directly into a pc. I can't get any signficant volume at all. I can hear it. It's not mic settings or record level that I know of, but it's very very quiet on playback. This can be duplicated on two laptops as well, both running Vista.

Anyone encounter a similar issue? [/b]
I had this same problem before I got my Zoom and was using a USB mic plugged into my laptop. In my case, it turned out that I was adjusting only the mic level on audacity, but I needed *also* to adjust the mic input in the Windows software (go to Control Panel, click on "sounds and audio devices properties," click on "audio" and then adjust the volume level for sound recording). The Windows default tends to be too low.

If you're already done that, I'm stumped.
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#1101982 - 02/19/09 01:35 PM Re: Recorder
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Is there a video equivalent of the Zoom H* - i.e. pretty good sound, but with video as well...?

Trying to splice stuff in Movie Maker is driving me nuts...
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#1101983 - 02/19/09 01:40 PM Re: Recorder
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Movie Maker is driving me crazy, too, LaValse.

The best I've been able to manage is to expand the video track so that it shows the audio track as well, and then try to line up the Zoom track so the peaks and valleys match. Then I set the audio levels 50/50 from the video and audio tracks and play it through... with any luck they'll line up almost exactly. Instead, they'll usually be off and I have to fiddle around moving it back and forth and listening again to get things more or less synchronized, at which point I switch the audio level to 100% from the Zoom.

There has to be a better way, and if you figure it out, PLEASE let us all know.
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#1101984 - 02/19/09 01:49 PM Re: Recorder
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I've read that Zoom announced at NAMM they will launch the Q3 this summer:



http://www.wingfieldaudio.com/2009-namm-show.html

http://blog.califaudio.com/2009/01/zoom-h4n-r16-q3.html

http://blogs.oreilly.com/digitalmedia/2009/01/digital-discoveries-namm-2009.html

I suppose it won't be super ultra high quality video, but it will be an easy to use little gadget.

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#1101985 - 02/19/09 01:54 PM Re: Recorder
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My audio in MM has a metalic ping to it - I *think* it's because it was recorded at 48k/24bits not 44k/16bits (WAV) but I'm not sure at the moment... Resampling in Audacity doesn't help (pingy) but using a native 44k/16bit recording is OK... mega

Erus: thanks for the heads up - looks cool...
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#1101986 - 02/19/09 02:55 PM Re: Recorder
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Originally posted by Erus:
I've read that Zoom announced at NAMM they will launch the Q3 this summer:



[/b]
Oh man. I want one. Anybody wanna buy a lightly used Flip Mino in a couple of months? \:D
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#1101987 - 02/20/09 09:38 AM Re: Recorder
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\:\) there again, positioning it would be tricky without external mics...
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#1101988 - 02/20/09 09:40 AM Re: Recorder
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Perhaps, but I've found that my Zoom sounds pretty good no matter WHERE I plop that sucker down.

I wonder if the Q3 will take external mics.
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#1188024 - 04/26/09 11:30 PM Re: Recorder [Re: jjtpiano]
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Originally Posted By: jjtpiano
There are quite a few good ones around. I use an Olympus LS-10. It cost about $300, and the quality of recording is excellent. It comes with software for your computer so that you can put the recordings onto a CD or make mp3s out of them.

There are others that are less costly, and depending on your needs, might work as well.

Go to Guitar Center and ask a knowledgable guy about the choices.


I'm curious if you're still happy with the LS-10, thinking of investing in one.
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