Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) Pianoteq
Latest Pianoteq add-on instrument: U4 upright piano
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
PianoSupplies.com (150)
Piano Accessories Music Related Gifts Piano Tuning Equipment Piano Moving Equipment
We now offer Gift Certificates in our online store!
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Piano
Quick Links to Useful Stuff
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano Accessories
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#1104786 - 08/12/04 01:23 AM What exactly are "levels"?
Niet Over Een Nacht IJS Offline
Full Member

Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 20
Loc: Amsterdam, Netherlands
Trying to understand exactly what the meaning is of a "level". Thompson has its books organized by "grade", Alfred by "level", others talk about "year", etc.

Is there a standard definiton of Piano level 1 vs. 2? Are there standard reference pieces or exercises that one should be able to play? Tests, diagnostics?

Are there dangers of trying to play above one's "level?

Top
(ads P/S)

Petrof Pianos

#1104787 - 08/12/04 06:16 PM Re: What exactly are "levels"?
signa Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/06/04
Posts: 8483
Loc: Ohio, USA
i guess it depends on which country you are from, because each country has its own grading system, and each one might be different from one of another country. so, when you talk about what grade level you are at, you have to specify which country's grade system first. i think US system is different from UK's. i heard that with UK system, one can just take a public exam of a grade level. if you pass, you pretty much know what level you are at. this probably is not the case in US or some other countries, where music major or some sort are required.

there is another common sense approach though, in which people judging you as beginner or intermediate or advanced player (or maybe subcategories of those) by what difficult level pieces you can play. then again each piece has been ranked differently in different grade systems, but for some popular pieces, most people would easily rank it at certain level. also, people use 'year' to measure one's playing progress, because under an ideal situation (with a good teacher and your own motivation/practice etc.) you are supposed to advance to a certain level after so and so years. hope i am not wrong with those.

Top
#1104788 - 08/16/04 07:38 AM Re: What exactly are "levels"?
Niet Over Een Nacht IJS Offline
Full Member

Registered: 07/20/04
Posts: 20
Loc: Amsterdam, Netherlands
Thanks to signa for the response.

I have looked into the British system which is quite impressive. The Associate Board of the Royal Schools of Music is reachable at the following web address: http://www.abrsm.org/

Information on the graded piano exams is on:
http://www.abrsm.org/?page=exams/gradedMusicExams/practical/piano/piano0304_G1.html

The ABRSM is putting itself forward as an internationally recognized standard for music levels. Exams can be prepared for and taken across the world (apparently 6000 people a year take them in the USA alone).

What I am looking for as an adult (re)beginner is an objective standard against which I can judge my progress and compete a little, if only with myself. The ABRSM exams might help provide that.

Still curious though about "pace". What is a reasonable pace for an adult learner who is willing to put in 1-2 hours a day of practice and take weekly lessons? Sometimes I feel like everything is going SO SLOWLY.

Top
#1104789 - 08/16/04 11:42 AM Re: What exactly are "levels"?
signa Offline
8000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/06/04
Posts: 8483
Loc: Ohio, USA
Niet, i'm glad that you found ABRSM that you might be able to use. i don't know how to say anything about 'pace', because it is highly individual and also depends on other factors (such as teacher factor, with/without, good/bad). but as i read from some books, for adult learners or any piano learners for that matter, the progress is always like a 'stairway', where you could stay on a plateau for quite a while without seeing any real progress, but suddenly one day you'd progress to another level. so, one has to be patient on this. if you are doing everything right, something will happen one day when you feel you could do much better on everything you play. hope this helps.

Top
#1104790 - 08/17/04 10:57 AM Re: What exactly are "levels"?
Peter_G_Moll Offline
Full Member

Registered: 05/17/04
Posts: 30
Loc: Arlington, VA
Dear Niet Over Een Nacht IJS,

You might find it useful to look at these two posts on another forum.

On the ABRSM and other examination sytems:

http://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=stud;action=display;num=1082756868;start=0

On piano programs or syllabuses:

http://www.pianoforum.net/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=stud;action=display;num=1088102691

Best wishes,

Peter
_________________________
Peter G. Moll

Top

Moderator:  BB Player, casinitaly 
What's Hot!!
HOW TO POST PICTURES on the Piano Forums
-------------------
Sharing is Caring!
About the Buttons
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Interesting books about the piano, pianists, piano history, biographies, memoirs and more!
(ad) HAILUN Pianos
Hailun Pianos - Click for More
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Seiler Pianos
Sheet Music
(PW is an affiliate)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Who's Online
81 registered (AliAlkhiro, BB Player, Ben_NZ, 20 invisible), 1224 Guests and 27 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
76053 Members
42 Forums
157257 Topics
2309777 Posts

Max Online: 15252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
New Topics - Multiple Forums
romantic era fugues
by Lingyis
09/03/14 03:58 AM
European Piano Party 2015 in Switzerland!
by SwissMS
09/03/14 03:40 AM
Should I pursue piano?
by arpan70
09/03/14 01:05 AM
An edifying challenge
by BDB
09/02/14 11:44 PM
Steinway or Porsche?
by Jennymomofboys
09/02/14 10:16 PM
(ads by Google)

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2014 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission