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That is a really lovely performance and piece. I can see how Mozart was influenced by this especially in his earlier sonatas. I'll post some Haydn later on whent my house quiets down and I can make some recordings. I don't have a video camera so these will be over at Savefiles. I agree that Leopold was selfish. I wonder if Mozart would have turned out differently if he had gone to University instead of being just home schooled and pretty much only in music. Yeah the upper a-flat sounds a bit sour. UPDATE: Here are some quick recordings done tonight. They are the Haydn G major Divertemento that everyone has been talking about lately. Another Divertemento in D major and the final movement to Mozart's K333. Pay close attention to the cadenza near the end of the movement. I employ a little bebung at the end just before the theme comes in again. Sorry for the garish mistakes in the Mozart. There are a couple of firsts here. This is the first time this has ever been recorded by me, and the first time recorded as played on the clavichord. I was also quite flustered by the blinking red light on my Zoom H4! http://www.savefile.com/files/1274657 ---- Haydn Gmaj http://www.savefile.com/files/1274652 ---- Haydn Dmaj http://www.savefile.com/files/1274662 ---- Mozart K333 Last Movement John
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Wow! What a Christmas present! That's the best music I've heard at PW. You can really hear how finely nuanced the rhythms are and so accurate! Love the cadenza. Mozart's audience would have had 'clavichord' ears - they would have used their imagination to fill in what the piano left out.
What a fantastic instrument! (of course only you and I know it really sounds like a bag of mosquitos, or at least mine does). Mine is really unbalanced, the bass totally outweighs the treble. Any answers?
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I like clavichord more than piano now after hearing that Haydn G major Divertimento performance!
Bio: quit Grade 4 RCM in 1992 at age 13. Restarted Grade 4 RCM in 2007 at age 28. Am working towards Grade 8 RCM exam.
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Originally posted by keyboardklutz: Wow! What a Christmas present! That's the best music I've heard at PW. You can really hear how finely nuanced the rhythms are and so accurate! Love the cadenza. Mozart's audience would have had 'clavichord' ears - they would have used their imagination to fill in what the piano left out.
What a fantastic instrument! (of course only you and I know it really sounds like a bag of mosquitos, or at least mine does). Mine is really unbalanced, the bass totally outweighs the treble. Any answers? Thank you for the compliments, Mr. KK. I've played better than that on other days. I've been luck too as I've been on vacation from work so I reserve evey morning for clavichord practice. It's a nice peacful way to come to without disturbing the rest of the house. As I said I was a bit flustered by the Zoom H4, which for some reason sends my nerves into a knot every time I use it. I actually have a better time with an audience. One of the things I love about the clavichord is the shear clarity in the tone. There are no secret ways of getting around a mistake. You have to play accurately and cleanly no matter what because there's no pedal to sneak over a mistake. In a way this has help my piano playing because I find my self thinking more like this when playing the piano as well. This lends very well to Mozart and others of the early to mid Classical era because of the way their music is structured. I find that I don't need the pedal except when I play this music on the modern piano. Anyway my instrument recently had some strings replaced and the action redone. (Action? What action? You ask.) The strings from g'- b" were replaced last year along with the listing cloth felt. The old cloth, that was used previously, was too thin causing the instrument to be unbalanced and sounding like a of bag mosquitos just as you call it. The strings are old. The instrument is completely strung in brass, and this section started to break randomly at the tuning pins. I would open my lid to play only to find that I no longer had a middle G or D-flat. So after losing quite a few over about 7 months, I waited for my tax refund and used the money to have the instrument worked on. Glenn Guitarri of the Harpsichord Clearing House, where I purchased my instrument, did the work for me. The new cloth is pulled nice and tight which puts more down bearing on the bridge and thus the instument is a bit louder. The other thing too is I don't tune up to A440. My instrumnt is tuned around A412 to A415 so there is more "give" to the strings. This helps to make the keyboard a bit more responsive and giving, and the strings less bouncy. A weak treble is very common on clavichords. The reason being that the key fulcrum is a lot shorter on the treble end than in the middle so there is less motion to hit the strings. To get around this, you have to play a bit firmer up there otherwise the sound all but disapears against the bass. This was also the same complaint that Bach had about the early fortepiano given to him by Silbermann. John
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Originally posted by David Grant: I like clavichord more than piano now after hearing that Haydn G major Divertimento performance! Another convert. The instrument is very addictive to play. I find myself playing my early Classical period composers strictly on the clavichord now as the piano to me is too garish and obnoxious for the music. Seriously, learn to play the piano well first. Later on you can try the other instruments such as the clavichord. You'll find that the clavichord is quite difficult to play, and employs a lot of different, but same technique as used on the piano. John
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Current instruments: Schimmel-Vogel 177T grand, Roland LX-17 digital, and John Lyon unfretted Saxon clavichord.
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Originally posted by John Citron:
Glenn Guitarri of the Harpsichord Clearing House, where I purchased my instrument, did the work for me. The new cloth is pulled nice and tight which puts more down bearing on the bridge and thus the instument is a bit louder.
John [/QB] I think I played your instrument when it was for sale at Glenn's. It is very nice but I was completely unable to play the treble without chucking. Of course, my fault not the instrument's. ocd
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Originally posted by ocd: Originally posted by John Citron:
Glenn Guitarri of the Harpsichord Clearing House, where I purchased my instrument, did the work for me. The new cloth is pulled nice and tight which puts more down bearing on the bridge and thus the instument is a bit louder.
John I think I played your instrument when it was for sale at Glenn's. It is very nice but I was completely unable to play the treble without chucking. Of course, my fault not the instrument's.
ocd [/QB]ocd, I'm glad you had a chance to try this clavichord. This is a wonderful instrument. I was thinking of taking it to the next Piano World Party for everyone to enjoy. Perhaps you could join us. I had trouble before with the treble. It was the instrument. The strings were pitched too high; like way up around A448 so this made the instrument very difficult to control. The really tight strings make the tangents bounce off the strings instead of producing a solid tone. By lowering the tension, this has made the instrument more enjoyable to play, and the higher down bearing on the bridge has made it a bit louder and more solid feeling. John
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The really tight strings make the tangents bounce off the strings instead of producing a solid tone. I needed the word 'chucking'. That's why I can't play the left hand accompaniment quietly. I just found this article: http://www.bavington.nildram.co.uk/edintalk.htm I must join the BCS ASAP!
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KK, Thank you for the interesting link. That makes a lot of sense to me, but still the tighter listing cloth (really felt) made a big difference on my instrument. The old cloth was like an old lady's dress, which did nothing to help the instrument. I was thinking of joining the Boston Clavichord Society myself. In addition to historical practice seminars and talks, they also give recitals. Peter Sykes and others give a series of recitals through out the spring and autumn. Check out this recital from the Boston Clavichord recital This is two clavichords playing a concerto by JS Bach for two keyboards (Last movement) with Peter Sykes and David Yearsley at the keyboards. http://www.bostonclavichord.org/recording/sound/jsb_concer_2kbds_bwv_1061a.mp3 Here's David Yearsley playing a Rondo by CPE Bach. http://www.bostonclavichord.org/recording/sound/cpe_rondo_c_min_wq59_4.mp3 You really have to turn up your volume though to hear these. Enjoy. John
Current works in progress:
Beethoven Sonata Op. 10 No. 2 in F, Haydn Sonata Hoboken XVI:41, Bach French Suite No. 5 in G BWV 816
Current instruments: Schimmel-Vogel 177T grand, Roland LX-17 digital, and John Lyon unfretted Saxon clavichord.
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