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#110898 - 12/14/08 03:29 PM (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
Horowitzian Offline
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So BDB established this in the other thread:

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The S, M, L, and O share the same action stack: 26 bass notes. The A and B share another. The C and D share a third, which has a gap in the tenor section which is not in the A or B.

The C and D use heavier hammers than the others.
So, do the C & D use the same hammers? I'm guessing they do in light of BDB's info, but I'd like to be sure. \:\)

I've spent a lot of time on D's and I'm familiar with how they feel in general. Do the C's feel the same since they share an action stack?
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#110899 - 12/14/08 04:25 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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The action feels the same. One notices less resonance on the C.
It is the perfect piano for sub-200 seat venue.

There are many different hammers you could put on a C or a D but they are interchangeable.

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#110900 - 12/14/08 04:32 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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Thank you JAP!! Exactly what I wanted to know.

Isn't the small venue the C's basic mission in life? \:D

Dang, I'm going to have to track down a C someday. ;\)
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#110901 - 12/14/08 04:37 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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Originally posted by Horowitzian:
Thank you JAP!! Exactly what I wanted to know.

Isn't the small venue the C's basic mission in life? \:D

Dang, I'm going to have to track down a C someday. ;\) [/b]
Lucky you! I have still never played one..
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#110902 - 12/14/08 04:41 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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No, I said I'm going to have to track one down[/b]. I've never even seen one outside of pictures. ;\)
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#110903 - 12/14/08 04:43 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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My school has one C, four D's, and two Yamaha CFIIIS's. That C is a nice piano, but I have also played many duds.

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#110904 - 12/14/08 08:23 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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I've read everything I can find on Steinway, but nowhere has this alphabet soup of letters been explained, i.e. if the A is not the oldest model, why does it get the first letter? Does the C predate the D, or is it just smaller? Etc. Anyone?

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#110905 - 12/14/08 08:30 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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The original sizes and models were the A, 6'2 B 6'11 C ? cant remember and D 8'11

When homes mainlhy in NY were getting smaller ie appartments a market develed where they needed smaller pianos.

so they created s,m,o models later on.

Im pretty sure ive got it correct.
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#110906 - 12/14/08 08:47 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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Wrong. [edit] I misread the post.

There were at least three different A's over the years, too.
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#110907 - 12/14/08 09:47 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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The original letter-model Steinway pianos were A, B, C, D grands, and E, F, G, H uprights, in order of increasing size. After that, it gets confusing.
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#110908 - 12/14/08 10:17 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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There used to be a one-page summary of this on the S&S website, but I'm not finding it now--nor any dates for individual models.

I guess my question becomes much like that for Formula 409, Preparation H, etc....what happened to models E through K? How did O and L pre-date M but S come last? Were there 1097 unsuccessful upright attempts before they finally nailed it with the 1098?

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#110909 - 12/14/08 10:19 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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There used to be a one-page summary of this on the S&S website, but I'm not finding it now--nor any dates for individual models.

I guess my question becomes much like that for Formula 409, Preparation H, etc....what happened to S&S models E through K? How did O and L pre-date M but S come last? Were there 1097 unsuccessful upright attempts before they finally nailed it with the 1098?

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#110910 - 12/14/08 10:32 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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L does not predate M.

E was the original 49" upright, later replaced by the V.
F was the original 51" upright, later replaced by the K.
G was 53". I think the I replaced it, but I am not certain.
H was 56" I think. The F and G had the same action stack, as did the E and H, but the H had an intermediate sticker arrangement. I think they all had the same frame; the difference was the wippens and stickers.

As I said, after the original 8 models, the designations get confusing. Designations could have been made according to when the models were designed, rather than first built, or they just may have given up on orderly designations.
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#110911 - 12/14/08 11:04 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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[I guess my question becomes much like that for Formula 409]

The active is 2-butoxyethanol, with 4 hydrogens attached to the carbons on one side of the oxygen and 9 hydrogens attached to the carbons on the other side.

HO-CH2CH2-O-CH2CH2CH2CH3

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#110912 - 12/15/08 12:21 AM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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 Quote:
Originally posted by DarkGreenChocolate:
There used to be a one-page summary of this on the S&S website, but I'm not finding it now--nor any dates for individual models.

I guess my question becomes much like that for Formula 409, Preparation H, etc....what happened to models E through K? How did O and L pre-date M but S come last? Were there 1097 unsuccessful upright attempts before they finally nailed it with the 1098? [/b]
Here you go:

http://www.steinway.com/technical/sizes.shtml

;\)
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#110913 - 12/15/08 02:14 AM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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Originally posted by JustAnotherPianist:
One notices less resonance on the C. It is the perfect piano for sub-200 seat venue.
I wouldn't say that is true of the "C" I play. It has plenty of resonance and it fills a 700-seat hall beautifully.

The only thing it seems to lack is some power in the bottom few notes, compared to a "D".

Although it can fill the hall with sound it seems to excel the most at quiet, nuanced playing. There is a wealth of tonal color and it is absolutely superb for accompanying and chamber music.



Compared to the D it seems to have a lithe and graceful appearance. \:\)
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#110914 - 12/15/08 07:34 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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So many piano, such little time.
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#110915 - 12/15/08 07:37 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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"Although it can fill the hall with sound it seems to excel the most at quiet, nuanced playing."

I have heard a variation of this from several people.

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#110916 - 12/15/08 10:32 PM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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Thanks, Horowitizian!

1878 seems to have been a VERY good year.

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#110917 - 12/16/08 01:08 AM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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Just wondering what is the use of that triangular frame thing holding the piano's legs?

I always see them, but I don't know what they are for, and never had the opportunity to ask...

sorry about the deviation from the thread... I really want to know.
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#110918 - 12/16/08 01:15 AM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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It's a dolly for moving the piano around more easily. They are often on stage pianos so they can be wheeled off and on stage quickly and easily.

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#110919 - 12/16/08 01:41 AM Re: (Hamburg) Steinway C vs. the D
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Ah ok. Thanks Sophial!
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