Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician

Piano Acc. & Gift Items in
Piano World's Online Store
In PianoSupplies.com ,(a division of Piano World) our online store for piano and music gifts and accessories, party goods, tuning equipment, piano moving equipment, benches, lamps and more.

Free Shipping on Jansen Artist Piano Benches
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
Who's Online
110 registered (accordeur, Alexander Borro, bananasushi, 36251, Anne'sson, 36 invisible), 1825 Guests and 8 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Live Piano Venues
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#1110408 - 10/15/04 03:01 PM Reading bass cleff
kinetic Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 10/15/04
Posts: 2
Loc: South Africa
Hi. I've just picked up piano playing after like a decade (and only having a few lessons then anyway). Recently I've tried playing some intermediate (i guess) pieces (moonlight sonata). But my friend pointed out that I've been playing the wrong keys on my left cuz keys are supposed to be 2 keys higher than if they were written on a treble staff. For example, I played moonlight sonata starting with 2 A keys, but its supposed to be c's. But when i tried this it sounds kinda... off. I've also tried it with some other pieces, and sometimes it sounds more accurate and sometimes uh, not. Am I missing something ? Am I tone deaf ?

Also, I noticed some of the music i have has a c-like cymbol after the key signature. What does it signify ?

(ad) Piano & Music Accessories
piano accessories music gifts tuning and moving equipment
#1110409 - 10/15/04 03:44 PM Re: Reading bass cleff
Lightnin Offline
Full Member

Registered: 07/17/04
Posts: 210
Kinetic, the treble and bass staffs are not read the same.

Starting from the bottom in the bass clef, the white spaces between lines are A, C, E, G (All Cows Eat Grass), with the five lines are G B D F A

Starting from the bottom in the treble clef, the white spaces between lines are F, A, C, E, and those five lines are E G B D F.

See http://www.dolmetsch.com/musictheory1.htm
for more on this.

See http://www.dolmetsch.com/musictheory4.htm
(about 3/4 of the way down) for the two C symbols for Common Time (4/4) and (with vertical line through it) Cut Time (2/2) time signatures.

That is a great site, has about everything, but it is in the UK, and uses UK nomenclature for notes, crotchet for quarter note. See the Part 2 for what that is about.

#1110410 - 10/15/04 07:38 PM Re: Reading bass cleff
Stevester Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 10/04/03
Posts: 2851
Loc: New Jersey

Wow! - Great site, thanks much.
"The true character of a man can be determined by witnessing what he does when no one is watching".


#1110411 - 10/16/04 03:58 AM Re: Reading bass cleff
kinetic Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 10/15/04
Posts: 2
Loc: South Africa
Thats a big help. Thanks for your time.

#1110412 - 10/16/04 11:07 PM Re: Reading bass cleff
Hububer Offline
Full Member

Registered: 11/29/03
Posts: 149
Loc: Virginia
Since you are having some difficulty with some of the very basics, it may be best not to jump to a piece like the Moonlight Sonata so you don't get discouraged.


Moderator:  BB Player, casinitaly 
the Forums & Piano World

Trying Something New with Search
(ad) Yamaha CP4 or CP40 Free Bag
Buy a CP4 or CP40 Get a Free Bag
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ads) PD - WNG - MH
Mason & Hamlin Piano Factory Tours
Ad (the Piano Store)
the Piano Store - Restored Steinway Pianos
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Q: Piano Pedagogy. Learning piano vs. Learning a song.
by bananasushi
11/28/15 03:53 PM
Saint Saens Piano Concerto 5 in Houston tonight and tomorrow
by John Pels
11/28/15 03:44 PM
Need teachers opinion
by D1N
11/28/15 02:46 PM
Chickering grand; under-damper with multipart plate
by Craig Hair
11/28/15 02:41 PM
"Pianist" Digital Piano Guide 2016
by bennevis
11/28/15 02:35 PM
What's Hot!!
Posting Pictures on the Forums
Forums Rules & Help
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
Forum Stats
81,577 Registered Members
44 Forums
168,635 Topics
2,470,468 Posts

Most users ever online: 15,252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |

copyright 1997 - 2015 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission