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#1120859 - 02/06/08 01:28 PM OT: Technical: PW website going very slow...
Rosanna Offline
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Registered: 06/08/07
Posts: 1360
Loc: San Francisco Bay area
Since last night, I have noticed that it takes much longer to load and refresh PW (ABF) pages. I notice that the status line on the bottom left on my browser has lines such as "waiting for http://rcm.amazon.com.blahblah", or "downloading pictures from https://paypal.blahblah". I don't know if these are typically but I just didn't see them before because they flashed by quickly.

Anyone experiencing this slowness? Is this something new, or is it just my system or ISP??
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#1120860 - 02/06/08 01:51 PM Re: OT: Technical: PW website going very slow...
LaValse Offline
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Registered: 02/21/07
Posts: 1224
Loc: Mumbles, Wales
Hi Rosanna,

It's been fine in deepest darkest Wales...

\:\)
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#1120861 - 02/06/08 01:57 PM Re: OT: Technical: PW website going very slow...
Rosanna Offline
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Registered: 06/08/07
Posts: 1360
Loc: San Francisco Bay area
hello deep, dark Mumbles, thanks. It seems to be better after I restarted my system. But after a while, it seems to slow down. May be some junk processes on my computer
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#1120862 - 02/06/08 02:07 PM Re: OT: Technical: PW website going very slow...
LaValse Offline
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Registered: 02/21/07
Posts: 1224
Loc: Mumbles, Wales
Hi Rosanna,

Having the Windows update thingy-wotsit set for auto download and auto install can do that (as I found last week on my wife's new notebook)... just a thought...
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#1120863 - 02/06/08 02:09 PM Re: OT: Technical: PW website going very slow...
Akira Offline
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Registered: 07/27/07
Posts: 1645
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Most likely, it is Internet traffic. You've been in a traffic jam before, right? \:\)

Whenever you request a webpage, the information traveling both ways (i.e. you request a webpage, the webpage is sent to you) has to go through a series of computers. Depending on where the server (computer that is sending the information) is located, it could take numerous different 'paths' to get to you. The slowness (bottleneck) could be at any one of maybe 20 different computers between you and the server.

Here's one cryptic example of how information travels from this forum.

traceroute to www.pianoworld.com (66.96.25.155), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 216-19-223-119.getnet.net (216.19.223.119) 0.042 ms 0.009 ms 0.008 ms
2 phnx-gsr0.getnet.net (216.19.201.241) 0.432 ms 0.416 ms 0.400 ms
3 fa0-11.na01.b003026-1.phx02.atlas.cogentco.com (38.104.116.9) 1.009 ms 1.741 ms 1.850 ms
4 gi0-2.3801.core01.phx02.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.64.249) 42.932 ms 42.916 ms 42.902 ms
5 po14-0.core01.san01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.6) 35.140 ms 35.250 ms 35.360 ms
6 po5-0.core02.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.77) 191.742 ms 190.924 ms *
7 te3-1.ccr02.lax01.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.1.34) 147.420 ms 145.488 ms 145.470 ms
8 vl3490.mpd01.lax05.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.6.190) 12.917 ms vl3491.mpd01.lax05.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.3.142) 12.903 ms 12.863 ms
9 teleglobe.lax05.atlas.cogentco.com (154.54.12.38) 18.968 ms 23.939 ms 23.922 ms
10 if-10-0-0-28.mcore3.LAA-LosAngeles.teleglobe.net (216.6.84.53) 12.405 ms 12.577 ms 12.708 ms
11 if-0-0-0.mcore4.LAA-LosAngeles.teleglobe.net (216.6.85.41) 12.962 ms 13.088 ms 12.963 ms
12 if-5-0.mcore4.PDI-PaloAlto.teleglobe.net (216.6.86.9) 25.455 ms 24.571 ms 24.556 ms
13 if-10-0-0.mcore3.PDI-PaloAlto.teleglobe.net (216.6.86.22) 24.580 ms 24.436 ms 24.795 ms
14 216.6.29.26 (216.6.29.26) 51.158 ms 50.806 ms 50.677 ms
15 if-1-0-0.core1.CT8-Chicago.teleglobe.net (66.110.27.5) 62.402 ms 62.423 ms 62.169 ms
16 * * *
17 if-6-0.core2.TNK-Toronto.teleglobe.net (216.6.60.22) 75.793 ms 76.165 ms 76.543 ms
18 if-0-1.ihar1.TGS-Toronto.Teleglobe.net (216.6.54.10) 81.415 ms 87.407 ms 76.419 ms
19 tci016.tciway.tc (209.58.16.6) 76.668 ms 76.414 ms 76.032 ms
20 owl.eicat.ca (66.96.16.3) 76.390 ms 76.367 ms 76.785 ms
21 64.247.23.194 (64.247.23.194) 80.436 ms 82.266 ms 79.881 ms
22 H155.C25.B96.tor.eicat.ca (66.96.25.155) 78.094 ms 78.290 ms 77.919 ms

That's 22 computers, in this example.

Unless the problem is directly associated with your computer, the problem will likely clear up all by itself. There's nothing for you to do.

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#1120864 - 02/06/08 02:12 PM Re: OT: Technical: PW website going very slow...
BB Player Offline


Registered: 11/17/06
Posts: 2547
Loc: Not in Texas
It has also happened in the past that when the sites that advertise on PianoWorld are slow or down for maintenance e.g., Amazon, PayPal, etc., that refreshing the ads from those sites takes a long time and/or sometimes doesn't complete.
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#1120865 - 02/06/08 02:14 PM Re: OT: Technical: PW website going very slow...
Rosanna Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/08/07
Posts: 1360
Loc: San Francisco Bay area
Wow Akira, thanks for such an indepth route tracing!

I won't worry about it then. After all, what can one do with Microsoft or the cyber jungle \:\(
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#1120866 - 02/06/08 02:26 PM Re: OT: Technical: PW website going very slow...
Akira Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 07/27/07
Posts: 1645
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
If its any consolation, information today is traveling much faster, when compared to early days of the Internet, when the only choice was a 300 baud modem (now that was 'really' slow). It seems the faster things get, the more impatient we become. Go figure. \:\)

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#1120867 - 02/06/08 04:41 PM Re: OT: Technical: PW website going very slow...
gmm1 Offline
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Registered: 06/03/06
Posts: 1674
Loc: Spokane WA
I remember those days, Akira...and it's so true.

I went to work for a railroad in the 60's, and helped install a system-wide computer system (one of the first business networks in the country).

One of the things we would do to impress "students" take someone's birthday, add a RR's initials (SP 120150 for Dec 1, 1950), and within 5 minutes, we would know exactly where in the country that "birthday car" was. Before the computer, it was at least an all day process to trace a car from a known location to a train, to a terminal, to a train, etc, all by phone, calling from one terminal to the next, until the car was found. It could take weeks, no kidding. There were people who's only job was to take requests from the field and trace cars. Now those were miserable people. And, they were kept busy, as we tended to lose track of cars a lot.

Today, the same search takes less than 2-3 seconds. If it does not refresh in 5 seconds, the classic, automatic in-bred response of striking the monitor (remember those?) takes over.

And, oh yeah, Rosanna, it has been slow the last couple of days. Sometimes minutes between screens, loading Amazon, or some such.... I've almost knocked by flat-screen off it's little perch a couple of times now...
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#1120868 - 02/06/08 04:47 PM Re: OT: Technical: PW website going very slow...
Rosanna Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 06/08/07
Posts: 1360
Loc: San Francisco Bay area
LaValse, what you said about the amazon/paypal sites causing the slowness makes sense.

Akira, my, I forgot about those 300 baud modem days. And the amazing thing is, it wasn't that long ago. Technology has been amazing these last 10 years; it's just that we deal with a different set of problems, namely technological problems! Frankly, I am amazed and grateful for what we have.

gmm1, yes, it is amazing how the same "car search" can takes 2-3 seconds. But when the system goes wacko, *that* can takes days to fix
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#1120869 - 02/06/08 04:53 PM Re: OT: Technical: PW website going very slow...
LaValse Offline
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Registered: 02/21/07
Posts: 1224
Loc: Mumbles, Wales
Brilliant! The first thing I've ever said on the forums that somebody says makes sense and I didn't actually say it...

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#1120870 - 02/06/08 05:23 PM Re: OT: Technical: PW website going very slow...
crusadar Offline
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Registered: 05/30/07
Posts: 670
Loc: Middle England
I use the browser Mozilla "Firefox" it solves a lot of Internet Explorer 7 problems particularly if your also unfortunate enough to have MS Vista.

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#1120871 - 02/06/08 05:36 PM Re: OT: Technical: PW website going very slow...
BB Player Offline


Registered: 11/17/06
Posts: 2547
Loc: Not in Texas
 Quote:
Originally posted by LaValse:
Brilliant! The first thing I've ever said on the forums that somebody says makes sense and I didn't actually say it...

\:\) [/b]
I'm happy to give you the credit. However, should any money be forthcoming as a result I'll expect a share \:D
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#1120872 - 02/06/08 05:58 PM Re: OT: Technical: PW website going very slow...
Late Beginner Offline
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Registered: 01/06/08
Posts: 588
Loc: West Australia
 Quote:
Originally posted by gmm1:
If it does not refresh in 5 seconds, the classic, automatic in-bred response of striking the monitor (remember those?) takes over.

[/b]
:D

Giving errant equipment a well place thump to encourage it to start behaving itself has a long and surprisingly successful history.

Just remember to call it Percussive Maintenance[/b] when talking to clients. ;\)

Cheers,

Chris
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