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#1121479 - 12/27/06 02:47 AM
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6.) What is a Perfect 5th above Bb? 7.) What is a diminshed 4th above Eb? 8.) What is a Major 7th above D#? 9.) What is a minor 2nd above C? 10.) What is a minor 6th above G#? 11.) What is a minor 3rd above C#? 12.) What is an Augmented 5th above D#?
i solved these and my answers are here.. 6. B 7. Dbb 8. C 9. C 10. E 11. E 12. AX
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#1121480 - 12/27/06 03:54 AM
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6. F 7. Abb 8. Cx 9. Db 10. E 11. E 12. Ax
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#1121481 - 12/27/06 04:26 AM
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! why number 6 is F?? im keep doing number 6 but i still got same answer..
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#1121482 - 12/27/06 09:07 AM
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Bb C D Eb F if perfect 5th on C is G, Bb is 1 tone lower, so F is 1 tone belowe G
the distance between Bb and B is one semitone (or 8 1/2 tones if you go an octave upwards), thus either a 2nd or a 9th - can not be a 5th
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#1121483 - 12/27/06 11:36 AM
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The subject of intervals is the most confusing thing around, so it's not unusual to have problems understanding it.
An "interval" is the standard of measurement of pitch in music, just like the foot or meter is the standard of measurement of length in the real world. Note that all standards of measurement are arbitrary: a meter could just as well have been some length longer or shorter than it is, but some standard length had to be settled on so everyone would know what you're talking about when you state a length measurement, so the meter as we know it was established as the standard of length.
Similarly, the interval in music is an arbitrary standard of measurement. Hundreds of yrs. ago, musicians decided that they had to set up some standard way of measuring difference in pitch so that everyone would know what they were talking about when they said "the interval between C and G is such and such." The "such and such" are the intervals as we know them today. The standard that was decided upon was the MAJOR scale as played upon the piano keyboard.
For example, take the C major scale, since it's the easiest to visualize and has no sharps or flats (however, this will apply to any maj. scale, no matter how many sharps or flats it has). On the keyboard this is: C D E F G A B C. The standard for intervals in terms of the maj. scale is that the difference in pitch between the first and second notes of a major scale is a maj. second (C to D). The first to 3rd note is a maj. 3rd (C to E). The 1st to 4th note is a perfect 4th (C to F). The 1st to 5th notes is a perf. 5th (C to G). The 1st to 6th note is a maj. 6th (C to A). The 1st to 7th note is a maj. 7th (C to B). And the 1st to 8th note is a pefect octave (C to C).
But note there are other keys in the compass of this scale: the black keys. In order to take them into account it was decided that if one of the maj. intervals described above was lowered by a "half step" (usually, but not always, the adjacent black key), then it would then be called a "minor" interval. For example, C to D is a M2, but C to Db is a min. 3rd; C to E is a M3, but C to Eb is a m3; and so forth. And it was decided that if one of the perf. intervals above was lowered by a half step, then it would be called a "diminished" interval. For example, C to F is a P4, but C to Fb is a dimin. 4th; C to G is a P5, but C to Gb is a d5; and so forth. And it was decided that if one of the maj. or perf. intervals above was raised by a half step, then it would be called an "augmented" interval. For example, C to D is a M2, but C to D# is an aug. 2nd; C to F is a P4, but C to F# is an A4; etc.
The above was in terms of the C maj. scale, but it also applies to any maj. scale. For example, A maj. is: A B C# D E F# G# A. By the standards described above, A to C# is a M3; A to C is a m3; A to C## is an A3; A to E is a P5; A to Eb is a d5; A to E# is an A5; etc.
So for the exercises you listed:
6. The Bb maj. scale is: Bb C D Eb F G A Bb. By the standards described above, Bb to F is a P5.
7. The Eb maj. scale is: Eb F G Ab Bb C D Eb. By the standards described above, Eb to Ab is a P4. Thus, Eb to Abb is a d4.
8. There is no such thing as a D# maj. scale (the Eb maj. scale is essentially the same thing), but for the purposes of this exercise we could construct a hypothetical one patterned after the pattern that all maj. scales follow: D# E# F## G# A# B# C## D#. Then by the standards described above, D# to C## is a M7.
9. By the standards described above, C to D is a maj. 2nd, and therefore C to Db is a m2.
10. There is no such thing as a G# maj. scale (Ab maj. is essentially the same thing), but we can construct a hypothetical one for the purposes of this exercise: G# A# B# C# D# E# F## G#. By the standards described above, G# to E# is a M6, and thus G# to E is a m6.
11. C# maj. is: C# D# E# F# G# A# B# C#. Thus, C# to E# is a M3, and C# to E is a m3.
12. Using the information in exercise 8. above, D# to A# is a P5, and thus D# to A## is an A5.
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#1121484 - 12/27/06 06:22 PM
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right answers???!! again
1.) Major chord on Bb? 2.) Major chord on A#? 3.) Major chord on Db? 4.) minor chord on Ab? 5.) minor chord on G? 6.) minor chord on Db? 7.) diminished chord on E? 8.) diminished chord on F#? 9.) diminished chord on C#? 10.) Augmented chord on G? 11.) Augmented chord on D? 12.) Augmented chord on C#?
my answers were these.....and im not sure about number5.... 1) B-D#-F# 2) C#-E#-G# 3) A-C#-E 4) Ab-Cb-Eb 5) G-Bb-D 6) Db-Fb-Ab 7) Eb-Gb-Bbb 8) F#-A-C 9) C#-E-G 10) Gb-Bb-D 11) D-F#-A# 12) Cb-Eb-G
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#1121485 - 12/27/06 06:24 PM
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also these~!~
part 1: 1.) What is the quality of a 2 chord in any natural minor scale? 2.) What is the quality of a 5 chord in any natural minor scale? 3.) What is the quality of a 7 chord in any natural minor scale? 4.) What is the quality of a 3 chord in any harmonic minor scale? 5.) What is the quality of a 6 chord in any harmonic minor scale? 6.) What is the quality of a 2 chord in any harmonic minor scale? 7.) What is the quality of a 7 chord in any melodic minor scale (ascending)? 8.) What is the quality of a 4 chord in any melodic minor scale (ascending)? 9.) What is the quality of a 6 chord in any melodic minor scale (ascending)?
Part 2: On this part of the assignment, remember to write out the notes first on a piece of manuscript paper and then write the answers out using letter names. The letter names should be written out left to right from the root note to the top note. For example: C -Eb -G. 1.) What are the notes of a 6 chord in a g natural minor scale? 2.) What are the notes of a 7 chord in a d# minor melodic minor scale(ascending)? 3.) What are the notes of a 3 chord in a f# minor harmonic minor scale? 4.) What are the notes of a 6 chord in an f minor natural minor scale? 5.) What are the notes of a 7 chord in a c# minor harmonic minor scale?
My answers were 1) diminished 2) minor 3) Major 4) Augmented 5) Major 6) diminished 7) diminished 8) Major 9) diminished
(part 2) 1) D-F-A 2) CX-E#-G# 3) A-C#-E# 4) Db-F-Ab 5) F#-A-C#
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#1121486 - 12/27/06 06:29 PM
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1. Bb D F 2. A# C## E# 3. Db Fb Ab 4. Ab Cb Eb 5. G Bb D and so on, and so on got it?
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#1121487 - 12/27/06 06:53 PM
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after number5 everything is right? thanks again~
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#1121489 - 12/28/06 01:29 AM
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#1121490 - 12/28/06 07:53 AM
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Originally posted by JASON CHARMS:  after number5 everything is right? thanks again~ [/b] nope everything is wrong see how I solved the problem, and use the same pattern maybe you shoukd go back to basics - learn the single intervals first, and then go to chords; but remember: do not rush take time to learn!
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#1121491 - 12/28/06 07:18 PM
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1.) What is the quality of a 2 chord in any natural minor scale? in this time, what does 2 chord mean???
i dont get this...thanks!
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#1121492 - 12/28/06 07:30 PM
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A 2 chord is a chord that begins on the 2nd note of a scale. Remember to take that first note, build the chord in skips with the notes that occur in that scale (sharp, flat or natural), and then figure out what quality the chord is--major, minor, diminished, etc.
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#1121493 - 12/29/06 01:02 PM
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For example, take the A natural min. scale, since it has no sharps or flats (but this would apply to any natural min. scale no matter how many sharps or flats it had): A B C D E F G A. The "2 chord" means the triad formed on the 2nd note of this scale, which is B. If you draw a B on the 3rd line of the treble staff, then a triad is the 3 stacked notes on lines starting with the B, that is, B-D-F. But triads, at their heart, are a series of vertical intervals, and since this has to do with intervals, we have to interpret them in terms of the MAJOR scale, since intervals are defined only in terms of the MAJOR scale, as noted in a previous post. (Even though we're dealing with a min. scale here we have to go back to the maj. scale in order to interpret intervals--or triads, which are, at their heart, intervals--since intervals have meaning only in terms of the maj. scale, since they were originally defined, hundreds of yrs. ago, in terms of the major scale only. There is no such thing as an interval, or triad, defined in terms of a min. scale.)
Considering the triad we just formed, B-D-F, look at the B MAJOR scale: B C# D# E F# G# A# B. The "1 chord" for this scale is B-D#-F#, and as noted in a previous post, this is a maj. triad. But our triad had the 2nd and 3rd notes lowered by a half step, and this is called a diminished triad.
This will be true for the "2 chord" of any natural min. scale, for example, G natural min.: G A Bb C D Eb F G. The "2 chord" here is A-C-Eb. The "1 chord" of the A maj. scale is A-C#-E, a maj. triad. But our triad has the 2nd and 3rd notes lowered by a half step, and this is a dimin. triad.
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#1121494 - 01/06/07 07:14 AM
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i got it.. but
i dont know about this "7 chord in any melodic minor scale (ascending)?"
i dont understand about "ascending"
can you give me example thanks~
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#1121496 - 01/06/07 12:27 PM
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Hi Jason--I'll answer your Private Message here so others can comment or get something from it.
You asked what a major and minor chord is. First, you have to know intervals, but I think I'll skip that and stick to half steps.
Between every note is a half step. C to C#, C# to D, and so forth.
A chord has three notes, which I'll just call bottom, middle and top since we're talking about root position.
A major chord has a specific distance pattern between the bottom note and the middle note, which is four half steps. Count up from C to C# (1 half step), D (another half step), D# (another half step, and finally E, the fourth half step. So the middle note of any major chord is four half steps from the bottom. The top note of any major chord is seven half steps from the bottom note. So since we know E is four half steps from C, we'll continue on counting: F (5th half step), F#, (6th half step) and finally G, seventh half step. All major chords are constructed that way--if you want an F# major chord, start on F# for the bottom note, count up 4 half steps for the middle note and seven for the top note.
A minor chord is similar. The middle note is 3 half steps from the bottom note. The top note stays at seven half steps away.
I still suggest you move to a more basic theory book if you're truly trying to learn this on your own. There's no way I'd start my study of math with division of fractions, and I think that's what you've done here. It will take too long to learn it if you don't start at the beginning. Keith Snell has a great series that goes from 1-10. You could browse them in a music store, find one where you knew most of the answers, then start at the next level up.
Nancy
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#1121497 - 01/06/07 02:14 PM
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No matter what type of scale you're talking about, for example: major, natural minor, harmonic min., melodic min., blues, pentatonic, etc., all intervals --and chords, since chords are a series of vertical intervals--are analyized in terms of the MAJOR scale, since intervals were defined hundreds of yrs. ago in terms of the major scale only.
For example, the A melodic minor scale is: A B C D E F# G# A, ascending; and: A G F E D C B A, descending. Thus, the "7 chord" ascending is G#-B-D (but the "7 chord" descending would be G-B-D). To analyze this we once again must go to the major scale, G# major in this case. There's no such thing as a G# maj. scale (Ab maj. is essentially the same thing), but we can construct a hypothetical one for the purposes of this exercise: G# A# B# C# D# E# F## G#. The "1 chord" for this scale is G#-B#-D#, a maj. triad. Our triad, G#-B-D, has the 2nd and 3rd notes lowered a half-step, and this is a dimin. triad. (The "7 chord" descending, G-B-D, is the same as the "1 chord" of the G maj. scale, and this is a maj. triad.)
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#1121498 - 01/06/07 02:58 PM
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Your question about what is a maj. and min. triad is actually not a good question, because this shows that you are thinking that these are independent entities that exist in their own right. But this is not really true, because everything has meaning only in terms of the major scale, since this is the way intervals, and thus scales, were defined hundreds of yrs. ago.
Hundreds of yrs. ago it was decided that there needed to be some standard by which musicians could universally measure the difference in pitch between two tones. The standard that was decided upon was that the difference in pitch between the first and 2nd notes of a maj. scale would be called a maj. 2nd; between the 1st and 3rd notes a maj. 3rd; between the 1st and 4th notes a perfect 4th; between the 1st and 5th notes a perfect 5th; between the 1st and 6th notes a maj. 6th; between the 1st and 7th notes a maj. 7th; and between the 1st and 8th notes a perfect octave. It was further decided that any maj. interval lowered by a half-step (usually, but not always, the adjacent black key on the keyboard) would be called the corresponding minor interval; that any perf. interval lowered by a half-step would be called the corresponding diminished interval; and any maj. or perf. interval raised by a half step would be called the corresponding augmented interval.
Take for example the C maj. scale. By the above definition, C to D is a M2, C to E is a M3, C to F is a P4, C to G is a P5, C to A is a M6, C to B is a M7, and C to C is a P8. And C to Db is then a m2, C to Eb is a m3, C to Fb is a d4, etc.
Notice that if we play the 1st, 3rd, and 5th notes of the C maj. scale --that is, C-E-G--simultaneously, we have what has come to known as a "chord," a series of intervals stacked on each other, in this case: a M3 (C to E), and a P5 (C to G). This is a characteristic of any maj. scale, and this particular chord has come to be known as a "major triad." This has meaning only in terms of what has just been described above. It does not really exist as an independent entity.
If you have any 3-note chord, and you want to determine if it is a triad, and if so, what kind of triad it is, first see if it is composed of notes stacked on 3 lines or 3 spaces on the staff, which is how the 1st, 3rd, and 5th notes of any maj. scale will notate out on the staff. Then construct a maj. scale starting with the first note of the chord. Then pull the 1st, 3rd, and 5th notes from that maj. scale. If they match the notes of the triad, then it's a maj. triad. If the 2nd note of the triad is lowered a half-step, then it is a min. triad. If the 2nd and 3rd notes are lowered a half-step, then it is a diminished triad. And so forth.
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#1121499 - 01/06/07 11:36 PM
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Jason, why don't you get a basic theory book and study it? It will give you the basics you need and you will not be so totally bewildered. Or, are you just pulling our leg???? gaby Tu
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#1121501 - 01/07/07 10:07 AM
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Originally posted by Ina:  We are just doing his homework  [/b] That's the obvious case. So obvious I’ve just ignored it. Is there something else going on here? The writing is so poor and occasionally rude you have to wonder. Could someone capable of taking this music course really have such poor writing and social skills?
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