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#1121544 - 11/14/08 09:14 PM Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
Monica K. Offline

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Welcome to the place where critical discussion of the pieces from Recital 12 takes place!!

It is requested that only the pieces from performers who have requested critical feedback (as indicated in the main recital thread) be discussed.

Please don't be shy about asking questions or offering constructive advice to the performers. After all, the goal is improvement of the playing.

General discussion and chit-chat should take place in the General Discussion Room.

Please use this thread only to discuss recital performances. If you have any comments or suggestions about ways to make the recital process better, please start a separate thread.[/b]
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#1121545 - 11/16/08 04:26 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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flyingfroggy:[/b]

I loved your performance - there is only I thing I noticed that could be improved resulting in an even better playing.

In the Agitato part, especially towards the end, when you try to go faster, your triplets sound quite uneven giving the feel of hesitation between them. Perhaps the best way to make them completely even is to play them with accents every two notes in the right hand. While playing them that way don't loose the legato in the melody - the highest note should be held for the whole triplet where possible.

It sounds awkward and feels strange - but after getting used to it when you return to playing them as triplets with accents on the melody, the result will be much more even and in control.

When you feel it's not under full control yet, don't rush - the Agitato parts sounds much better when played a bit slower but accurately, than faster but not fully controlled.

Sorry for being picky, I hope you don't mind \:\) I'm working on this piece right now and I know that it's quite tough in places.


Best wishes!
Mateusz
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#1121546 - 11/16/08 05:45 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Mati, do you mean I should practice accenting every other note in the right hand (first and last note of the first triplet, second note of the second triplet, first and last note of the third triplet, etc.)? Or do you mean something else entirely? \:\)

I don't mind your being picky at all; it's very helpful!
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#1121547 - 11/16/08 06:09 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Yes, every other note. So: (accent normal accent) (normal accent normal) (accent normal accent) (normal accent normal) in a single measure. It sounds _completely_ awkward at first, but helps a lot. I had troubles playing it that way for hours until my fingers learned how to work against logical accents on the beginning of each triplet.


M.
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#1121548 - 11/16/08 06:17 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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OK, it sounds challenging, but I will try it--thanks for your help!

Regards,
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#1121549 - 11/16/08 11:14 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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11. Benny - Comptine d'un autre été: l'aprčs-midi[/b]

Since we both submitted the same piece, I hope you don’t mind me asking you some questions.

1 – Your submission seems to have more color than mine. It is especially noticeable at the very beginning. I suspect you are using pedal, possibly syncopating? If so, are you lifting the pedal once or twice for each measure. Also, do you retain the same syncopating pedaling technique throughout the entire piece, or are you modifying it slightly in different parts depending on melody so that it does not sound too muddy?

2 – At the end of the second time through measure 8 you add noticeable fermata. I like that. It creates a nice anticipation for what is to follow. You seem to do it again at the end of measure 16. Nice.

3 – Now here is the real difference between us. In the arpeggios from measure 17 to 21 you adopt a completely different style. Indeed, it is quite different from following the emphasized (sforzando) marks shown in the sheet music. Plus you add more fermata at the end of each measure. You give it a nice twist. Did you think of that yourself, or do many people play it that way?

The way it is written with the sforzando markings I interpret it to mean that the composer wants two voices in the right hand, one playing the sforzando notes as a strong melody, and the other playing the arpeggios as accompaniment. It’s actually difficult to accomplish and I believe in my version I may have overdid the effect. In the original sound track from the movie “Amalie” the stronger melody voice is noticeable, but not as strong as the way I play it. I think I need to back off a bit on that.

4 – At the end of measure 21 you follow the “Ralentir..” (retard.) shown in the music, but then you immediately pick up the tempo again in measure 22, even though the composer is not asking you to. I have to admit, I find that the second part drags a bit, especially at the slower tempo that I am following. I am not skilled enough to play it faster. Perhaps I should adopt your way of returning immediately to the original tempo.

Thank you very much for providing such a contrasting submission to mine. I appreciate the opportunity to listen to a different interpretation.

Of course I am hoping for a response from you. But don’t feel obligated to do so if you do not have the time or the inclination. Even if you do not respond I believe the points I have raised will be of value to others who are currently working on the piece.

Congratulations on your fine submission.
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#1121550 - 11/16/08 11:49 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Gary001: I enjoyed your Minuet in G; it is one of the first pieces I played when I came back to piano as an adult (1.5 years as a child, I think; I've blocked it out!) The piece is burned into my brain because both of my kids played it, too!

Anyway, Check your F# at the end of the 3rd and 11th measures; I think you’re playing F natural. Otherwise a completely lovely performance with nice ornamentation!
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#1121551 - 11/17/08 06:28 AM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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AdagioM: You've got good ears \:\)

As it happens, Ed private messaged me to point out the same thing. I'll have to run through the piece again tonight and double check all the F's.

Thanks to both of you for catching this.
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#1121552 - 11/17/08 01:28 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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JF,

Criticizing technic and recommending how to fix it is one thing, but criticizing someones choice of music is another.

I find your comment inappropriate. That's all I'm going to say about that since I don't like going back and forth on opinions or wasting my time on diatribes. Thanks
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#1121553 - 11/17/08 03:03 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Orez Eno:
11. Benny - Comptine d'un autre été: l'aprčs-midi[/b]

Since we both submitted the same piece, I hope you don’t mind me asking you some questions.
[/b]
Hello Orez Eno,

thank you very much for such a kind and detailed feedback!

When I noticed the second submission of this Tiersen piece a week or so ago, I have been very curious about your interpretation.
It is so interesting how different our approach is.
I would like to comment on your rendition, too, but at this point, let me try to answer your questions.

1 - The structure of the left hand's part is actually quite simple: a succession of broken E minor, G, B minor, D chords. Repeated through the whole piece.
I think, it is the important harmonic base, but it can be played well in the background contrasting the clear and bright melody in the right hand.
So, I used the pedal to get the left hand's part without attracting too much attention for the single notes.
In most cases, I used the pedal one or two times for each measure, I do not remember, what I exactly did during this recording.
In measure 5-8, I additionally released the pedal on the longer notes to avoid a muddy sound. (It was a little bit difficult for me, because I had to be rather quick).

2 - Thanks. I very often show the tendency to separate different sections this way...

3 - "twist": I heard a rendition of the pianist Jeroen van Veen who gave me the idea. But I am a bit variable here: Sometimes I play it without it!
I do not know many other interpretations, so I am not sure what people usually do here.

4 - I have never thought about it. For me it was clear that I have to slow down only for the passage to the next section.
But you are right: it is not explicitly indicated there.

Thank you again. People like you make this place so friendly and interesting!

Now a small comment on your rendition: First I was astonished how differently you played. Then I found it .... just great!
I think, this is one of those pieces which are more difficult to play slower than faster. The reason is: the phrasing must be very exact,
otherwise the whole thing falls apart in single notes. Here, you did a great job, everything develops naturally and is coherent. Congratulation!

Benny

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#1121554 - 11/18/08 08:21 AM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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I've never posted to a recital and this was the first time I listened to any.

What caught my eye was Monica playing one of David Nevue's arrangements. I learned of Nevue from one of Monica's post, and now have a couple of his albums and love them.

When I first saw the JF post, I thought

"why in the heck is this guy complaining that it did not match the original"

it was played beautifully ... thought that's what it's about.

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#1121555 - 11/18/08 08:47 AM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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#1121556 - 11/18/08 08:50 AM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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OK, ruckus over ..... please!

Let's not give the critical forum a bad name. Some useful stuff can still be gleaned from offering and receiving serious and thoughtful critical commentary.

BTW, I did NOT see the original post. I have noticed, however, that Monica (who I guess was the 'target') did not think the issue merited a response of any sort.
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#1121557 - 11/18/08 08:55 AM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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[comes bumbling into party late]

Well, it looks like there was a bit of a controversy, and seeing as I was the only person who contributed a new age version of a hymn, I'm guessing it was about my piece. \:D

Lisztener, while I do appreciate your efforts to defend my honor, such as it were, I also have a pretty thick skin, so I'm sure I would not have been offended by whatever JF said. ;\)

He may actually have a valid criticism. As I said in my notes, I'm not familiar with hymns. I chose that piece to record because I thought it was a pretty piece of music on its own merit. I do get the impression that Nevue's arrangement throws in some extra melody and improv. And I can understand that some people might prefer their hymns straight up, so to speak. That's perfectly okay.

IMO, the critical discussion room should be a place to offer any critical comments relevant to the recital, as long as they're offered politely, of course.
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#1121558 - 11/18/08 08:58 AM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Oh, dang it, I was writing when Piano*Dad was writing HIS post... so now it appears as though I *do* think it merited a response, which I really don't...

Please, everybody, I was not/am not offended by anything that was said/may be said in the future about my playing or choice of music. I'm dropping the issue and hope everybody else will, too. Group hug, all around.
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#1121559 - 11/18/08 11:10 AM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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JF,

Previous posts deleted to lessen controversy.

Regards,

Lisztener
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#1121560 - 11/18/08 11:11 AM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Please can we see some moderation on this thread, the exchanges between JF and Lizstener are not even vaguely on topic.

Thanks

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#1121561 - 11/18/08 12:04 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Monica - great playing of an excellent arrangement of a wonderful, classic hymn.

But . . .not to sure about that technique aspect referred to as "staccato" in the piece ;\) - nice first effort on that, but it will improve with repeated attempts.

Regards, JF
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#1121562 - 11/23/08 11:22 AM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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John,

I don't have the score from which you were working, so that's obviously a handicap! It just sounded to me as though some of the melody notes (the nagila after Hava, for instance) got shortened. That may in fact be exactly what's in the score (as a sort of syncopation) as a desired effect.
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#1121563 - 11/23/08 06:23 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Piano*Dad - I played & recorded the piece from memory - I've had it memorized for some time and hadn't looked at the music since I first worked on it over a year ago - so I pulled out the music and followed along with my recording - here's what I discovered:

The initial lyrics of the song are:

"Hava nagila,
Hava nagila,
Hava nagila,
ve-nis-me-cha . . ."

It's the "nis" part of the last quoted line that's being short-changed (and not one of the "nagilas") - the "nis" syllable is supposed to be carried across two notes (1st F & E, treble staff), but I'm either not hitting the E at all or I'm hitting it so lightly and quickly that it's virtually inaudible - this occurs 6 times throughout the piece) - I think I just simply missed it because of relying on memory - it's not a difficult move - just 2 eighth notes - no other possible excuse!

Thanks for drawing this to my attention.

Regards, JF
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#1121564 - 11/24/08 09:56 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Theowne,

I just finished listening to your Ravel, and then watching the video. I sure as heck couldn't play like that after three years training.

It's too bad the video chops you off at the forearms, but I can understand wanting to preserve anonymity. You appear to have a very relaxed technique, which is such a blessing in a piece like that. Tense wrist and forearm would make that kind of light and rapid movement a torture.
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#1121565 - 11/25/08 01:43 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Does anyone have a bootleg version of the John Frank, Monica, Listener exchanges?. I'll pay good money for it.

Dammit, I missed it again!. :p

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#1121566 - 11/25/08 03:24 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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 Quote:
Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
Does anyone have a bootleg version of the John Frank, Monica, Listener exchanges?. I'll pay good money for it.

Dammit, I missed it again!. :p [/b]
You see what happens when you don't CONSTANTLY monitor the forum! The bootleg version along with the Frycek "Goodby/I'm back" and the soap now playing out on the Recital thread will all be available on CD soon. You just have to keep hitting that refresh button so you don't miss anything.
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#1121567 - 11/25/08 04:07 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
Does anyone have a bootleg version of the John Frank, Monica, Listener exchanges?. I'll pay good money for it.[/b]
That is just too funny \:D
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#1121568 - 11/25/08 04:09 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Peyton:
 Quote:
Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
Does anyone have a bootleg version of the John Frank, Monica, Listener exchanges?. I'll pay good money for it.

Dammit, I missed it again!. :p [/b]
You see what happens when you don't CONSTANTLY monitor the forum! The bootleg version along with the Frycek "Goodby/I'm back" and the soap now playing out on the Recital thread will all be available on CD soon. You just have to keep hitting that refresh button so you don't miss anything. [/b]
Well, Monica's part in the exchanges is not available since it is largely immaterial (she was just an innocent "drive-by victim" and mine may or may not be available pending the outcome of CD royalty negotiations, so it may just be Lisztener communicating with himself on the CD - but is that dim buzzing noise I hear in the background the sound of a stirring hornet's nest? :p

Regards, JF
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#1121569 - 11/25/08 04:11 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Actually, MY part of the exchanges are still right up there on the thread and can be summarized as "Huh?" and "What happened?" and "I can take whatever JF has to dish out!" \:D

What I would *die* for is the unedited version of Diane C.'s awards that got deleted on the other recital thread. \:D \:D

...and seeing as I spend 90% of my waking hours on the forum, I am seriously ticked to have missed out on so much juicy stuff lately.
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#1121570 - 11/25/08 04:12 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Nah, it's the wire tap being set up, JF.

We have a special available only before the holiday.

JK
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#1121571 - 11/25/08 04:36 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Hey JF!,

I just got back from my piano lesson and I see that the Hunkster wants a copy of the "friendly" exchange between you and me. I will not try to paraphrase it for fear of beginning another feud between the two of us, but it would be interesting to see if anyone captured and saved our exchange. I wish I had had the presence of mind to do so, but at the time I was more interested in getting our differences resolved so we could clean-up our mess by deleting the posts.

Happy Thanksgiving to you, my favorite adversary,

Lisztener
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#1121572 - 11/25/08 04:50 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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 Quote:
Originally posted by John Frank:
but is that dim buzzing noise I hear in the background the sound of a stirring hornet's nest? :p

Regards, JF [/b]
Nah, I think we're back to just having fun. Phew!
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#1121573 - 11/25/08 04:54 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Originally posted by Monica K.:


What I would *die* for is the unedited version of Diane C.'s awards that got deleted on the other recital thread. \:D \:D

...and seeing as I spend 90% of my waking hours on the forum, I am seriously ticked to have missed out on so much juicy stuff lately. [/b]
Not to worry Monica. You ranked right up there. I didn't do quite so well and Piano Dad went home with the booby prize and frankly I was jealous. It was a classic flame war. Good pull by the moderator. \:\)


We should have a "Drama Alert Network". When real drama/soap opera stuff starts happening on the forum an alert gets e-mailed out so we can catch it before it's deleted.
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#1121574 - 11/25/08 05:23 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Peyton:
We should have a "Drama Alert Network". When real drama/soap opera stuff starts happening on the forum an alert gets e-mailed out so we can catch it before it's deleted. [/b]
Count me in!

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#1121575 - 11/25/08 08:08 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Lisztener:
Hey JF!,

I just got back from my piano lesson and I see that the Hunkster wants a copy of the "friendly" exchange between you and me. [/b]
Well, like you, not too sure about that "friendly" part - more like "semi-civil, but nevertheless pithy" I would think ;\)

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Happy Thanksgiving to you, my favorite adversary,

Lisztener [/b]
Yes, Happy Thanksgiving to you too (and to all) - we have a lot to be thankful for - like deleted posts, etc. \:\)

Regards, JF

P.S. "favorite adversary" :p Reminds me of my step-daughter, who claims she's my favorite step-daughter (hoping that I'll forget that she's my only one).
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#1121576 - 11/25/08 09:53 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Haha. That dimm buzz is ME \:D .

I just love how at one point or another everybody seems to get in a fight with someone. Heck, I'm sure that at one point or another everybody has fought with everyone else; probably about something stupid too!

I've had it out with both John Frank AND Listener as well as constantly make cheap cracks at our lovely Monica!. WHO CARES! It just shows how reasonable people CAN get along even when they don't agree..... eventually! ;\)

I think everyone is stupid including myself.

Just think if you get into an argument with me and later your spouse askes why your in such a ****y mood and you have to tell them that you were on some internet forum arguing with a Mr Super-Hunky!

Someone has just got to look like a moron here! \:D

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#1121577 - 11/25/08 09:58 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Hey Listener, I thought *I* was your favorite adversary!. Did you dump me?

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#1121578 - 11/25/08 11:59 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Hunk,

I've given up on you because I can't convince you that the star rating system is the greatest thing since sliced fingers in the sandwich shop.

Seriously, :p it has been awhile since I've turned your neck red hasn't it. :rolleyes:

Well, to tell the truth (Hmmm) I've come to think of you like an older brother, so our disagreements have become family matters and not for public display.

Sound like a reasonable cop-out? \:D

Good luck acquiring your desired transcript of my discussion with JF. If you find a copy, please send me one, OK?

Happy Thanksgiving, my friend,

Lisztener
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#1121579 - 11/26/08 04:22 AM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:
I just love how at one point or another everybody seems to get in a fight with someone. Heck, I'm sure that at one point or another everybody has fought with everyone else; probably about something stupid too!
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At the risk of getting into a fight with you \:D the reality is that it's only a few of us that are once in awhile "squabbling" (like a band of real brothers) and it's never over something stupid - quite to the contrary our "gentlemanly disagreements" are always concerning key issues that are vitally important to the ongoing welfare of this Forum community - you, of course, would not "dispute" that, would you?

And I would prefer to believe that we arrive at these points of contention precisely because of our high intelligence which is always aided and abetted by our very sensitive artistic temperament. \:\)

Regards, JF

P.S. Just re-read what I wrote above and it sounds so good even I might believe it sooner or later! :p
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#1121580 - 11/26/08 07:10 AM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Originally posted by mr_super-hunky:


Just think if you get into an argument with me and later your spouse askes why your in such a ****y mood and you have to tell them that you were on some internet forum arguing with a Mr Super-Hunky!
\:D \:D \:D [/b]
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#1121581 - 11/26/08 11:28 AM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Originally posted by Piano*Dad:
Theowne,

I just finished listening to your Ravel, and then watching the video. I sure as heck couldn't play like that after three years training.

It's too bad the video chops you off at the forearms, but I can understand wanting to preserve anonymity. You appear to have a very relaxed technique, which is such a blessing in a piece like that. Tense wrist and forearm would make that kind of light and rapid movement a torture. [/b]
Thanks for the comments! I can't think of anything critical to say about your performance, which was excellent, so instead I'll comment on the splicing, which was a tad too audible, you could eliminate that by fading between the two halves so that it sounds less abrupt. \:\)
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#1121582 - 11/26/08 12:57 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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JF, I'll let you have the last word this time......

This time......Mu-wah-ha ha ha

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#1121583 - 11/28/08 10:53 AM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Schubertian,

I commented in the general thread that your thirds (at least I think they were thirds!) were very evenly played and round toned. They sang.

Two small comments.

I think that even a prelude as stately and song-like as this one could benefit from a touch more articulation in the phrasing. Perhaps because it is so song-like the phrasing assumes even more importance. My second point is related. I don't have the score in front of me, so I don't know what pedal markings Chopin placed in there (or what the editors of your urtext edition did with it), but I wonder what the piece would sound like with a somewhat lighter approach taken to pedaling. That might allow you to go to the expressive high points of each musical idea and essentially take a small breath of separation.

I don't happen to own a copy of the preludes. What a silly lapse on my part! Therefore, take everything that I say with a huge pinch of proverbial salt. Staring at the text makes for better understanding.
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#1121584 - 11/28/08 11:52 AM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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AdagioM,

My son's teacher is always harping on "go to there." [See above comment to Schubertian!] That's her shorthand for finding the high point in a major musical idea and letting the listener know that you have arrived there.

You might have some fun experimenting with that process. This piece has that wonderful repeated rising theme, Dum da da da da Dee, which might be a good candidate for a small crescendo to the final Dee (the arrival note). Other possibilities also suggest themselves in this very beautiful and lyrical piece.
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#1121585 - 11/29/08 09:54 PM Re: Recital 12 -- Critical Discussion Room
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Registered: 09/25/04
Posts: 723
Loc: Oregon
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Originally posted by Piano*Dad:
AdagioM,

My son's teacher is always harping on "go to there." [See above comment to Schubertian!] That's her shorthand for finding the high point in a major musical idea and letting the listener know that you have arrived there.

You might have some fun experimenting with that process. This piece has that wonderful repeated rising theme, Dum da da da da Dee, which might be a good candidate for a small crescendo to the final Dee (the arrival note). Other possibilities also suggest themselves in this very beautiful and lyrical piece. [/b]
Piano*Dad, you are absolutely right. I need to decide which Dee is THE Dee, and make that clear! I was pleased to just get the notes (big chords in the LH, not my forte), but having gotten them, there is a lot of room for more expressiveness with both dynamics and rubato here. I will be working on it! Thanks for your comment.
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