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It requires greater amount of control the slower you play this section. I prefer to play a tiny bit slower but I played safe. I made the recording in a piano store; it was one take. Yes, I think Ashkenazy played it a tad too slow, but that proves he is the master of the instrument as you can hear his tones and phrasing are well defined.
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I am in such a quandry right now. I HAVE to finish the 55.1, just the last page to go, but WOW...it's a doozie.
But I am so tempted to start again on the 48.1. I had two pages down fairly well a few weeks ago, but then other pieces were calling for my attention. So, I am afraid I'll have to start from the beginning.
What I was thinking, and I know this is a giant pipe dream on my part. Wouldn't it be great if those of us who are learning this piece could have it a performance level by the 200th birthday of Chopin in 2010!! Just 3 years away. I think once I finish up with my other pieces, I am going to devote all my time to this nocturne. Every couple of days, I'll give some time to the others just to maintain, but the 48.1 is going to get my FULL attention.
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Wow, LA, that would be great about your flying into Chicago.
I did look up the seats are available and the price. The good ones seem to be gone, but there are still some left.
Now I have to think how I am going to get to Chicago. Drive part of the way to the train, take the train, then a taxi to the concert hall. Or drive all the way into Chicago and deal with the traffic and the cost of parking.
Thank you for the info. I'm still mulling it over, but I need to make up my mind soon before all the tickets are gone. If you decide to fly in, let me know. I can pick you up at the airport, and I have an extra bedroom, if you care to stay over. Then, we'll "do lunch."
Regards, Kathleen
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I just heard that most people already got their tickets back in August 2006 for this concert. Last time Kissin played in Atlanta a few years ago, the tickets went on sale several months in advance, and they were sold out that afternoon. Can you believe that? I really want to go but at the moment, I am not sure if I will be able to or not. Then by the time I know, there may be won't be any ticket left.
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I'm off on a trip for the next week so away from the piano but I thought I would add some 2cents to the nocturne conversation. So far my favorite passages in 48.1 are 14-16 and that high C and following passage in 21-23. I could just play 14-16 all day long and 21-24 are such a perfect culmination of the first section. I don't think he could have made this any more perfect.
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I agree Peyton. This nocturne doesn't sound as if it were composed by a mortal. As I said before, it gives me goosebumps!!
Luckily, in the book: "Chopin...as seen by his Students," there is a quote from one of his students regarding how Chopin, himself, wanted this nocturne to be played.
As soon as I find the book, I'll post his exact words.
Have a good trip Peyton.
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I took a preliminary look at this nocturne and wow, it's just gorgeous. Although I'm very tempted to start learning it, I'm not sure if I should. I have a couple of practice constraints now, and it doesn't look like I can handle any major undertakings for the time being. At the same time, I'm tempted to take it slowly and just work it out phrase by phrase whenever I can. Do you think I would get anywhere doing this, or should I just wait until I can devote more practice time to it?
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Sure, Pianolina...that's what I did for the first two pages. They are relatively easy to play, abeit, they do stretch your fingers, which is good. Learn as you go along. And I make certain that I play the two page every other day or so, so I don't forget them.
You can always come back to it when you have the time. My target date is April of 2010, which would be Chopin's 200th birthday). As you can tell, I KNOW this will be a lllooooonnnnnggggg project for me. And a few others have also mentioned that they thought it would take them some time to complete.
LA is available for help any time we need it.
Good luck, Kathleen
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Okay Kathleen, I'm encouraged now that you said you're going to take it slowly too . I just gave the first page a read-though and I see what you mean about the stretches... And I can see that even more are coming up!! But I made a interesting discovery - I don't know when this happened, but I can reach a 10th with my left hand. I can play octaves with 2 and 5 as well, although not nested inside the 10th (not yet anyway). The range in my right hand is much more limited but I'm working on it (with a physiotherapist, not some Schumann-esque device, don't worry). You can tell I don't have dainty feminine little hands.
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Wow...a 10th. You shouldn't have any problems playing this nocturne, PA. It's funny how our fingers do stretch without our conscious knowledge. One day I couldn't make the stretch to play a chord, just a 8th, but had a few notes within. The next day, I just tried it again, and I'll be darned...I made it. Not too clearly, but it soon got much better. Poor Schumann (I almost cried reading his biography). I just read yesterday that he was not trying to lengthen his fingers at all. He was born with some kind of physical deformity in two fingers that he was trying to correct it by stretching them apart using a rope. Ugh. But he wrote such beautiful music. Go to it, girl!! With a 10th, it should be smooth sailing. Kathleen
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I was trying to figure out what stretches you were talking about. So I looked up the score. I play those high A flat with the thumb of my right hand.
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Ttttthhhhhhannnnnkkkkkkkk you. LA. Your suggestion is SUPER. I probably wouldn't have thought of that, even though I'm always looking for places when I can split hands if necessary. Now, I am going to look at this piece very carefully, especially for those spots where the reach seems unreachable (for me.) I'm glad you're around. I hope you're not planning on going anywhere for, let's say, the next 3 to 4 years. Kathleen
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Can someone please tell me what fingers to use on measure 11 of the Adagio? I tried a couple of ways but I am still tripping. Thanks.
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Kathleen - you have to say that to Frank, the owner of PW. If this forum will be around the next 3-4 years, I'll be around. joemoshi - the first measure on the first line in my post above? right hand or left hand?
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I WILL ask Frank if he thinks the PW will be around. I have a feeling he will say...probably. Kathleen
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LA it is the right hand. Thank you.
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joemoshi - on the g, you see 2 on the score I posted above. I start with 1 on this g so for that measure, RH, it goes like this: 1 232 1 2 3 (then thumb under) 1(on d) 2 5 4. Then next measure 3 (on g) 2(on c#) 3 5 4 3 (e flat) 3.
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Thank you LA. 1 232 1 2 3 (then thumb under) 1(on d) 2 5 4. Then next measure 3 (on g) 2(on c#) 3 5 4 3 (e flat) 3. This is very good with the exception of the next measure where I have a hard time putting 2(on C#). So I am putting 1 instead of 2. Thanks.
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I just heard from Frank, of Piano World...and he intends to stick around for quite a while.
Hurray!!
I decided to go ahead and give some real time to this piece instead of devoting most of my practice time to the 55.1. I am at a standstill with that one but will slowly plod ahead. In the meantime, I am going back to the 48,1 before I forget everything, and I think I can go at a faster rate than I did with the 55.1. But I am sure I will come to a brick wall in no time.
Kathleen
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