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#1125424 09/08/04 09:35 PM
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Awww, damn .... I hopedit was some 'magic tone collector/diffusor' ... That makes sense however.

Thanks Del!

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[b] Hi,
I guess Del is the only one that can answer this, but chime in if you have an idea.

I was looking at the design of my CW grand (I love figuring out how a grand works - amazing piece of construction), and noticed that all the center plate bolts (ones away from the edges) which anchor under the SB into the belly braces, do so not ON the braces, but into a block screwed into an adjacent brace.

At first I thought it was because the braces weren't convienantly placed, but then thought that with a small shift (1-2") of the braces it would have been fine. The more I look at it, it seems to have been done on purpose. My curiosity is piqued, I think most pianos imbed the bolts directly into the braces. Doing it off an attached block adds manufacturing steps, so it must be for a reason.

There are three or so plate bolts which attach to blocks, which are attached to the belly braces via glue, and four bolts. Thoughts?
Bolts occasionally break. The side block makes it possible to remove them without removing the whole plate (including the strings, pinblock, etc.) Nothing magical. Experience has indicated that they are probably overkill -- the hardened bolts now being used don't break (ever!) -- and they will not be used on the new Model 175.

Del [/b]


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#1125425 09/08/04 09:49 PM
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Del,
Are you talking about this jobbie?

[Linked Image]

The rectangular extension with the nose bolt through it?

Dan


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[b] I remember Charles Walter explaining his 'improvement' of the grand, but I only caught it in passing. It had to do with a 'tongue' connected to the inner brace (or plate?). I wonder if that's what you're seeing? As I recall, you could see it under the strings about mid-treble, just past the bearing bar. I'm sure the dealers of Chas. Walter can explain it better.
Ah! Now we're talking about something else. What you're referring to here is the steel extension going from the bottom of the plate at the bass/tenor break and extending over the top of the bellyrail. This serves to stabilize the plate to some extent. The plate is quite strong enough without it but it does deflect some once string tension is applied. All plates do unless there is some coupling mechanism of this type. This extension prevents most of that deflection.

Del [/b]


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#1125426 09/08/04 09:52 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dan M:
[qb] Del,
Are you talking about this jobbie?

(See earlier picture...snip.)

The rectangular extension with the nose bolt through it?

Dan


Yes.

Del


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#1125427 09/09/04 06:17 AM
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Dan,

You have way too much time on your hands, to strong an obsession with your particular strain of piano and could remedy much of your troubles by stopping by your nearest piano store to get your prescribed fill of answers...


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Del,

according to your tag-line: violence then should be the first course of action for those not in the least, incompetent. Asimov is either describing or ascribing character to violence or incompetence...


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