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#1128807 - 12/13/08 12:14 AM Re: Why jazz?
LiszThalberg Offline
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Originally posted by sotto voce:
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Originally posted by Debussy20:
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Originally posted by playadom:

It sounds like Ravel inside a washing machine! [/b]
More like Mendelssohn getting a little buzzed and meeting Gershwin on a hot summer night on a dimly lit alleyway. [/b]


Matt, you are wise beyond your years!

Steven [/b]
Beyond??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
\:D

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#1128808 - 12/13/08 12:14 AM Re: Why jazz?
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Originally posted by Debussy20:
 Quote:
Originally posted by playadom:

It sounds like Ravel inside a washing machine! [/b]
More like Mendelssohn getting a little buzzed and meeting Gershwin on a hot summer night on a dimly lit alleyway. [/b]
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#1128809 - 12/13/08 12:15 AM Re: Why jazz?
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Originally posted by Debussy20:
 Quote:
Originally posted by sotto voce:
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Originally posted by Debussy20:
quote:
Originally posted by playadom:

It sounds like Ravel inside a washing machine! [/b]
More like Mendelssohn getting a little buzzed and meeting Gershwin on a hot summer night on a dimly lit alleyway. [/b]


Matt, you are wise beyond your years!


Steven [/b]
Beyond??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
\:D

Heck, I'm younger than Matt \:D
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#1128810 - 12/13/08 12:19 AM Re: Why jazz?
LiszThalberg Offline
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Originally posted by playadom:
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Originally posted by Debussy20:
 Quote:
Originally posted by sotto voce:
quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
quote:
Originally posted by playadom:

It sounds like Ravel inside a washing machine! [/b]
More like Mendelssohn getting a little buzzed and meeting Gershwin on a hot summer night on a dimly lit alleyway. [/b]


Matt, you are wise beyond your years!


Steven [/b]
Beyond??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
\:D

Heck, I'm younger than Matt \:D

And Dakota and I party it up while listening to Tatum. It's how we roll.

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#1128811 - 12/13/08 12:22 AM Re: Why jazz?
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Y'all need some stride pie-annah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Wi54rRt3xg
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#1128812 - 12/13/08 12:34 AM Re: Why jazz?
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Originally posted by Debussy20:
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Originally posted by playadom:
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Originally posted by Debussy20:
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Originally posted by sotto voce:
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Originally posted by Debussy20:
quote:
Originally posted by playadom:

It sounds like Ravel inside a washing machine! [/b]
More like Mendelssohn getting a little buzzed and meeting Gershwin on a hot summer night on a dimly lit alleyway. [/b]


Matt, you are wise beyond your years!


Steven [/b]
Beyond??? :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
\:D

Heck, I'm younger than Matt \:D

And Dakota and I party it up while listening to Tatum. It's how we roll.

legit... tru dat broski

[these nested quotes look as bad as the faerie's aire and death waltz]
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#1128813 - 12/13/08 07:25 AM Re: Why jazz?
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HAHAHAH

That piece is incredibly cool.
What a great player too! Who is that guy?

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#1128814 - 12/13/08 12:01 PM Re: Why jazz?
Larisa Offline
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Originally posted by sotto voce:
I hate to admit it, but this has become far more amusing than vexing.

But the target is so easy that it's practically unsportsmanlike to engage the person.

Don't you love that simultaneously high and mighty yet pathetic and thoroughly wrong defense of "contend"?

You can't make this stuff up.

Steven [/b]
Yeah. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. What was it about getting into a battle of wits with the unarmed?

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#1128815 - 12/13/08 12:21 PM Re: Why jazz?
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Yes, he is very good. It may be the English, Neville Dickie of which I have 3 or 4 of his CD's.

Dick Hyman. Ralph Sutton. Cannot recall other stride players right now,apart from Fats Waller, Willy the Lion-Smith. Don Lambert.

I think it is called 'Finger Buster'

swingal

PS I was absolutely appalled at PPM's abuse of jazz. He needs to read the history of it and if he can't understand it. Learn about it. It of course is unrelated in structure to Classical Music and can be appreciated by people who understand both genres.

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#1128816 - 12/13/08 12:32 PM Re: Why jazz?
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Are you talking about the stride piece? That's The Lion's FingerBuster. A personal favorite of mine. The pianist in that is Jim Hession.

Dick Wellstood is also really good stride composer and player. I'm quite fond of his arrangement of "Bill Bailey won't you please come home".

The other videos I posted were by Nikolai Kapustin. The jazz etude is quite interesting indeed.
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#1128817 - 12/13/08 04:06 PM Re: Why jazz?
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Originally posted by PianoPlayerMan1994:
In my opinion jazz is a cancerous blemish...[/b]
No, Jazz is like gonorrhea, one of the easiest ways to get it is by spending a lot of time in seedy clubs with a lot of questionable characters
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#1128818 - 12/13/08 05:48 PM Re: Why jazz?
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Well and so it goes on...... Is somebody trying to wind up the true jazz enthusiasts. We jazz lovers do not spend our time putting down classical enthusiasts. Either this is a load of bull .....or serious criticism. I do not find jazz enthusiasts comparing us with classical music.

The two genres are incomparable.

swingal

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#1128819 - 12/13/08 09:14 PM Re: Why jazz?
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Rest assured that this is load of bull****. PPM1994 is a troll.
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#1128820 - 12/13/08 09:59 PM Re: Why jazz?
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Alright guys, as fun as this is, can we let this topic die? Just kinda tired of all this haha.

\:D

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#1128821 - 12/13/08 10:04 PM Re: Why jazz?
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Agreed. :rolleyes:
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#1128822 - 12/13/08 10:06 PM Re: Why jazz?
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Yeah, and besides, everybody knows gonorrhea comes from toilet seats anyhow.

Steven
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#1128823 - 12/16/08 06:09 PM Re: Why jazz?
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Loc: Jamestown, NC
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Originally posted by sotto voce:
Would a troll in any other forum smell as bad?

I recommend that anyone check his posting history before casting their pearls before swine.

Steven [/b]
Checked it. It appears he gets his jollies by getting people stirred up so that he can insult them.
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#1128824 - 12/20/08 01:51 AM Re: Why jazz?
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Originally posted by PianoPlayerMan1994:
I understand there is heavy aspect of improv- but what I dont understand is why restrict yourself to the general schematics of jazz. I think there are plenty of wonderful jazz musicians(thelonius, tatum, etc..) but I can't understand how they never broke out of their jazz shells.[/b]
I sometimes wonder the same thing about classical musicians. Why don't they learn to improvise, and improvise in classical as well like they used to in Bach's time.

I remember hearing Mary McPartland on PBS's Piano Jazz saying how she would ask a classical pianist to improvise with her, and the pianist would look at her in horror and say no I couldn't do that. They were scared to stray from the written note.
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#1128825 - 12/20/08 01:08 PM Re: Why jazz?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Ken.:
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Originally posted by PianoPlayerMan1994:
I understand there is heavy aspect of improv- but what I dont understand is why restrict yourself to the general schematics of jazz. I think there are plenty of wonderful jazz musicians(thelonius, tatum, etc..) but I can't understand how they never broke out of their jazz shells.[/b]
I sometimes wonder the same thing about classical musicians. Why don't they learn to improvise, and improvise in classical as well like they used to in Bach's time.

I remember hearing Mary McPartland on PBS's Piano Jazz saying how she would ask a classical pianist to improvise with her, and the pianist would look at her in horror and say no I couldn't do that. They were scared to stray from the written note. [/b]
Ken,

Here is one magnificent exception:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUqhPoA5bIY

Ed
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#1128826 - 12/24/08 01:32 AM Re: Why jazz?
Larisa Offline
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Originally posted by Riddler:
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Originally posted by Ken.:
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Originally posted by PianoPlayerMan1994:
I understand there is heavy aspect of improv- but what I dont understand is why restrict yourself to the general schematics of jazz. I think there are plenty of wonderful jazz musicians(thelonius, tatum, etc..) but I can't understand how they never broke out of their jazz shells.[/b]
I sometimes wonder the same thing about classical musicians. Why don't they learn to improvise, and improvise in classical as well like they used to in Bach's time.

I remember hearing Mary McPartland on PBS's Piano Jazz saying how she would ask a classical pianist to improvise with her, and the pianist would look at her in horror and say no I couldn't do that. They were scared to stray from the written note. [/b]
Ken,

Here is one magnificent exception:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUqhPoA5bIY

Ed [/b]
This is fairly jazzy, though - more jazz improvisation than classical improvisation. One other magnificent exception is Robert Levin, whom I heard in concert when I was a teenager. He would get the audience to write musical themes on scraps of paper, then pull a few out of the box and improvise on those, in the Classical style. (and at that concert, the very first theme he picked out was mine... I was so excited)

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#1128827 - 12/24/08 11:00 AM Re: Why jazz?
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Larisa,

I have enjoyed listening to your compositions and other video performances.

Ed
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#1128828 - 12/26/08 06:08 PM Re: Why jazz?
Larisa Offline
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Originally posted by Riddler:
Larisa,

I have enjoyed listening to your compositions and other video performances.

Ed [/b]
Thanks so much!

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#1128829 - 12/29/08 01:30 PM Re: Why jazz?
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I could just as easily dismiss all of classical music because it doesn't have the rhythmic vitality so unique to jazz. By that I mean that insanely elusive quality known as "swing". Yes if I were an ignorant[/b] jazz musician I might say "That music's useless, it doesn't swing , it's SO LIMITED!"

Of course, I have haven't met any jazz musicians THAT ignorant.
But I have met classical musicians (at least THIS one time) that ARE that ignorant


One other point jazz is not a style... it's a process.

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#1128830 - 01/01/09 11:04 PM Re: Why jazz?
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Originally posted by Mark Eisenman:


One other point jazz is not a style... it's a process.
[/b]
Effin' brilliant! Consider yourself quoted, Mark

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#1128831 - 01/05/09 05:46 PM Re: Why jazz?
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I think someones already said it, but Jazz has definetely not had as long to develop as classical music. Plus how can you say someones music like Bill Evans, can sound like a variation on Fats Waller or Art Tatum, maybe to a very very superficial kind of listener, but would the same listener be able to tell the difference between Bach and Handel, or even Bachs own works?

Ps. just got Nat Adderly's Work Song album. WOW!!!

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#1128832 - 01/05/09 05:55 PM Re: Why jazz?
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Here is a nice article in the WSJ regarding the inroads improvisation is making in the classical community.
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#1128833 - 01/05/09 08:36 PM Re: Why jazz?
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A large part of the appeal of many of the great classical composers was their reportedly amazing ability to compose, or improvise, on-the-fly at the keyboard.

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#1128834 - 01/05/09 11:38 PM Re: Why jazz?
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Oh, I really hope improvisation comes back for classical music. Classical improvising is so much fun.

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#1128835 - 01/06/09 10:44 AM Re: Why jazz?
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It would be nice if classical music had not come to halt in the 20th century. Modern classical music is quite different.
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#1128836 - 01/09/09 11:54 AM Re: Why jazz?
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All I know is that Horowitz had a great admiration for Art Tatum's ability and Glenn Gould actually made a personal call to Bill Evans, to tell Bill that he was a great admirer of Bill's works.

Jazz and Classical music requires very different sets of skills, and they are both very demanding to play well.

The problem is that sometimes people can love what they do so much that they don't take time to take a look at other things with the same kind of attention and scrutiny as what they love. W

e can say that about DJ's in scratching contest, skaters, clowns, you name it.. once you learn more about it you realize there is a craft, an art in what they do and that it takes a lot of dedication and talent to be able to do what they do.

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