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#1129207 - 07/07/05 08:39 AM Jazz Repertoire - Beginners 1
hgiles Offline
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Registered: 01/27/05
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Could someone recommend about 5 tunes (standards) that they would consider appropriate for a beginning adult jazz pianist.

I have a couple things in mind, but wanted to get a different perspective.

Thanks!
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#1129208 - 07/07/05 11:51 AM Re: Jazz Repertoire - Beginners 1
ipgrunt Offline
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Hello Haywood,

Ballads are good, of course.

In my experience teaching, students learn best when they have an interest in the material. I wouldn't choose Autumn Leaves for a 17 year old who's never heard the tune and listens to acid jazz.

Perhaps it's best for a student to choose their own first tunes.

With that said, I'll choose some tunes that I believe will teach fundamentals while being accessible.

Autumn Leaves - (g-minor). Teaches ii-V resolutions, cycle of fifth key relationships, logical root movement.

There are others tunes structured like Autumn Leaves, that teach these fundamentals, for example: Just Friends, Four, How High The Moon, Tune Up, Watch What Happens, etc.

These tunes, based on the harmonic principles of swing, all have their own twists, call them innovations if you wish, that make them interesting musically and aesthetically.

In addition, Just Friends, with its simple melody, offers opportunities to develop voice leading techniques.

Don't forget favorite to offer Ellington tunes like Take the A-train and Satin Doll.

I think a beginner would also benefit from learning a modal style tune, like Maiden Voyage or So What. While a steady diet of modal-only music is not healthy for a growing jazz musician, an introduction to modes and what a master musician can do with them is quite informative, and can be empowering for a classically trained musician insofar as reducing inhibitions related to improvisation.

Finally, you might consider a bossa nova like Corcovado. Most of the Jobim bossas have excellent examples of descending roots in the V7-dim-V7-dim style and are a great introduction to diminished harmonies.

Other bossas are also valuable. Ipanema, Desifinado, Wave...I guess I like Jobim.

As I said, I think the most important factor in choosing the "five tunes" is the beginner's desire to learn those particular tunes.

And that's my humble opinion...

regards,
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#1129209 - 07/07/05 06:58 PM Re: Jazz Repertoire - Beginners 1
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Ipgrunt- Very good post. I have nothing to add.

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#1129210 - 07/09/05 10:39 PM Re: Jazz Repertoire - Beginners 1
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Peace Piece by Bill Evans.
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#1129211 - 07/12/05 04:43 PM Re: Jazz Repertoire - Beginners 1
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Peace Piece is a nice tune which I used to play sometimes, but it doesn't teach you much about standard jazz harmony. It's only got two chords in a five minute/plus song.
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#1129212 - 07/13/05 03:24 AM Re: Jazz Repertoire - Beginners 1
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True, but I thought it might fit his request for a beginning student.
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#1129213 - 07/15/05 09:18 AM Re: Jazz Repertoire - Beginners 1
hgiles Offline
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After hearing the reasons for making certain recommendations I have come up with this list:

BLUE BOSSA
BLUE MONK (Bb Blues)
LADYBIRD
DOXY (16 Bar Blues)
CAN'T HELP LOVIN DAT MAN

I will get the list to my teacher and see what he has to say. Though, after, my first lesson (introduction) he suggests the blues is very important to learn how to play right.
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#1129214 - 07/16/05 01:28 AM Re: Jazz Repertoire - Beginners 1
NmbrNine Offline
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Registered: 01/21/05
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Loc: West
How about:

"Moonlight in Vermont"

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"So What?"
(Good for the left hand)

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#1129215 - 07/22/05 01:28 AM Re: Jazz Repertoire - Beginners 1
rintincop Offline
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BLUE BOSSA (C-)
BLUE MONK (Bb Blues)
LADYBIRD (C)
AUTUMN LEAVES (G/E-)
and you need an F tune...maybe HAVE YOU MET MISS JONES

The 5 common keys in jazz are C, F, Bb, G and Eb
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#1129216 - 07/22/05 08:34 AM Re: Jazz Repertoire - Beginners 1
hgiles Offline
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RinTinCop,
Good point. 'Dat Man' is in Eb (so is Moonlight in Vermont). I will check out 'Miss Jones.'
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#1129217 - 08/03/05 03:45 AM Re: Jazz Repertoire - Beginners 1
swingal Offline
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Registered: 07/31/05
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Loc: England
Well it's much to do with your own ear. As there are so many. 'One mans meat is another man's poison' So true of lifes travel.

I have a huge collection of Lp's & Cd's (usually copies of LP's.) Where to start? Perhaps best to choose the artist first and see what's available.

What style of piano jazz are you really keenest on?

The standards are usually played by most of the pianists up to the 1970s plus.

Currently Jazz piano has lost me as it is too technical in form, even Monk has me deterred in his later years.

OK, fine if you can appreciate the modern day renderings.

Hope this helps. But purely my own views. This is a free world.

Alan

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