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#1133087 - 02/10/07 10:59 AM Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=tCjFIenlGYo&mode=related&search=

Came across this yesterday! I don't know much about jazz but what do you think about it?

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#1133088 - 02/10/07 12:01 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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A classic.
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#1133089 - 02/10/07 12:29 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Its a biggie.. well known like Monk's Round Midnight..both Jazz classics

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#1133090 - 02/10/07 12:58 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Paul Desmond wrote it, but it came from Brubeck's studies with Darius Milhaud, who encouraged him to try new sounds and rhythms. Dave Brubeck still plays it all the time, and every time I have heard him play it, he plays it differently. He will be here again in April, with the quartet and with a big band. I am always impressed by the powerful intellect of his playing, as well as his warmth and personal charm.
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#1133091 - 02/10/07 02:28 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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That was great! Thanks for posting it. Does anyone have the sheet music to the piano portion of Take Five? I'm sure I could find a willing saxophonist to duet with if I learned it.

Nancy
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#1133092 - 02/10/07 02:40 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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There are several modestly-priced arrangements available, including alto sax and piano. It is published by Alfred. Yes, it is copyrighted.
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#1133093 - 02/10/07 08:54 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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This looks like the intro(zoom it))http://www.sheetmusicplus.com/store/smp_inside.html?cart=21012599114&item=1346391&page=00

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#1133094 - 02/11/07 05:36 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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#1133095 - 02/11/07 05:43 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Brubeck and "Take Five"...it just doesn't get any better than that.

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#1133096 - 02/11/07 06:54 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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 Quote:
Originally posted by brummell:
Brubeck and "Take Five"...it just doesn't get any better than that. [/b]
Oh sure it does. It gets alot better. Did you hear George Benson's version on You tube?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Tn27IcAapPI

Always nice to hear a technical wizard in tasteful mode.
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#1133097 - 02/12/07 06:21 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Virtuosic, I just listened to Benson. Now back to my original statement: Dave Brubeck and "Take Five." It just doesn't get any better than that!

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#1133098 - 02/12/07 10:49 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Virtuosic, I just listened to Benson. Now back to my original statement: Dave Brubeck and "Take Five." It just doesn't get any better than that!
I absolutely agree with this statement.

But, here we have that darn pesky 'personal taste' thing rearing it's head again ;\)
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#1133099 - 02/13/07 05:35 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Roger, this isn't a "personal taste" thing; it's a FACT! lol

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#1133100 - 02/14/07 04:22 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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That made my day! Just picked myself off the floor! I can't get enough of this gracious and elegant jazz. Does anyone know why it was called Take 5? I have three different piano arrangements of it including one based on George Benson's. Also Toots Thielemans made a notable version. After quoting the signature melody you can do almost anything you want with it as long as you maintain that finger snapping five four.
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#1133101 - 02/14/07 06:53 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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The big question is when playing Take 5 SOLO PIANO how each of you handles the left hand chord and rhythm.

I play it as a modified 5/4 stride piano

Left hand plays:

Root Chord Root Chord ; Root Root(8va)

Right hand plays:

melody
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#1133102 - 02/14/07 10:07 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Does anyone know why it was called Take 5?
I always thought it was because of the 5/4 time signature
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#1133103 - 02/15/07 02:50 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Originally posted by brummell:
Roger, this isn't a "personal taste" thing; it's a FACT! lol [/b]
So in your learned opinion, the relatively stone-fingered Brubeck is the ultimate, unparalleled jazz musician of all time, without peer? Benson and other consummate musicians of negligible importance in comparison? This is all quite an interesting concept, one I've never heard of before, and something that I would have to challenge. How did you arrive at this belief? Have you heard any other jazz pianists? Have you listened to much jazz?

Here's some suggested listening for Brubeck comparisons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlUzK4Ua1iY&mode=related&search=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBIyri8E8II

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uzj6Q61h3oA
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#1133104 - 02/15/07 05:21 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Virtuosic, the answer to your question is yes, I have listened to many jazz pianists. In my opinion, Brubeck is the master and no other ones come close. Granted, this is a statement of opinion, and I have stated mine. Does that make me ALL or just half bad? When I stated it was "fact", I was only trying to get a rise out of someone; it obviously worked. Thank you for the other listening suggestions. Brubeck is still #1...yes, my opinion.

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#1133105 - 02/15/07 02:32 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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can anyone on here play "Strange Meadow Lark"?
the first minute and 15 seconds alone is amazing.

Brubeck is goodness. i don't know about no one coming close to him, as its Dave that doesn't come close to others, but he's one of the best jazz pianists, definitely. i appreciate his melodicism more than anything.

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#1133106 - 02/15/07 05:21 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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 Quote:
Originally posted by brummell:
Virtuosic, the answer to your question is yes, I have listened to many jazz pianists. In my opinion, Brubeck is the master and no other ones come close. Granted, this is a statement of opinion, and I have stated mine. Does that make me ALL or just half bad? When I stated it was "fact", I was only trying to get a rise out of someone; it obviously worked. Thank you for the other listening suggestions. Brubeck is still #1...yes, my opinion. [/b]
You actually listened to Oscar Peterson's Youtube video of Sweet Georgia Brown and still feel that the stone fingered Brubeck blows Oscar away? :rolleyes: Dave couldn't even think a one bar stream of improvisatory eight, trip eight, and sixteenth notes at quarter = 400+ let alone construct and cleanly execute lengthy, slick, bebop stretches with full stride accompaniament for entire choruses. In my humble opinion, the idea of Peterson being pianistically inferior to Brubeck is Bizarro World logic, sort of like stating that a seven year old beginner with 2 weeks worth of piano lessons under his belt is a far better pianist than Cziffra or Horowitz, but what do I know? ;\)
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#1133107 - 02/15/07 05:44 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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#1133108 - 02/15/07 06:07 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Originally posted by Jazz+:
Brubeck received a lot of criticism from jazz musicians because he didn't swing very hard. He often times sounded stiff and tedious. I enjoyed when he totaly imitated Erroll Garner.

Masters:

Art Tatum, Bud Powell, Bill Evans, Wynton Kelly, Red Garland, Herbie Hancock and Keith Jarrett. [/b]
He can't swing and sounds stiff and tedious because he can't execute technically at the piano. A spinal accident from a water accident 50 years ago locked up his hands. You can only swing to a certain extent when relegated to only being able to pound block chords, most of which contain "accidental", unintended notes, with your fingers hopelessly locked in one position.

Take Five put Brubeck on the map, his claim to fame, aside from persistance. The song caught on. Jazz people liked it, non-Jazz people liked it. No Take, no Five, no fame.
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#1133109 - 02/15/07 07:17 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Talented, couth, dignified, intelligent, soft-spoken...Dave Brubeck is a total package. Oh, did I mention his unparalled style? IMO he's Master #1 and 2 and 3.

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#1133110 - 02/15/07 07:56 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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First, Brubeck always sounds good. That said I think Virtuosic has a point - none of the Jazz pianists I know use him as a role model (for their playing). People like Bill Evans, Art Tatum, Oscar Peterson as Virtuosic mentioned are more often in this place. Yet keep in mind people change and tastes change. I said things about music and musicians that I now feel silly about because I had not listened to and studied the music enough. I now reserve "He's the Greatest" for Muhamad Ali! In music and Jazz in Particular I say "I like that, or him/her". Sometimes I like it a lot.

Let someone rave Virtuosic, they may in the fullness of time come to change their opinion as they listen more and learn more. Of course, they could REALLY like Brubeck and may only like him more. I don't mind people liking Brubeck - I can't deal with people that like Kenny G!
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#1133111 - 02/16/07 12:54 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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I've never really liked Brubeck's feel...really stiff and at times forced. I love playing some of his tunes though. "In Your Own Sweet Way" is great fun to play.

That Benson video is incredible. He kind of stumbles over the first phrase in the "b" section on the head, but man he is smokin' on his solo!

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#1133112 - 02/16/07 06:54 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Lee_Gato:
I've never really liked Brubeck's feel...really stiff and at times forced. I love playing some of his tunes though. "In Your Own Sweet Way" is great fun to play.

That Benson video is incredible. He kind of stumbles over the first phrase in the "b" section on the head, but man he is smokin' on his solo! [/b]
One thing I do at the piano is to mimic other notable pianists, playing within their style. Their cliche runs and unique stylistic fluorishes. Tyner, Cecil Taylor, Hancock, Jarrett, Corea, Monk, Tristano, Peterson, Tatum, Hines, etc., all the greats having recognizable differences to a keen student of jazz piano. I sometime do it as an exercise, much like one might improvise variations on a theme in different compositional forms. Sometimes I do it for other musicians just for amusement. About 30 years ago, a friend of mine had an old pair of Con Edison 15 KiloVolt, protective lineman gloves. They looked somewhere between these:

http://www.probuy.net/shops/probuytest/images/products/LINEMAN.jpg

but because they were "old fashioned", from the year 1, they were even clunkier, more like a hockey goal-keeper's gloves! I put them on and started playing the piano. After a few moments, I immediately thought "Brubeck" and launched into "Take 5", pounding it out a la Brubeck with whatever soloing I could manage with the thumb and pinky alone, as the rigid gloves almost completely restricted accurate pianistic motion of the 2-3-4 fingers. Still having too much technique to properly capture Brubeck's feel, I placed a tablecloth over the keys and that completed the illusion perfectly! Absolutely true story. \:\)
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#1133113 - 02/17/07 04:44 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Ho hummmm...excuse me; I think this is where I came in.

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#1133114 - 02/17/07 04:49 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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#1133115 - 02/17/07 06:49 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Originally posted by brummell:
"O wad some Power the giftie gie us to see oursels as ithers see us!" [/b]
What's interesting is that you took it upon yourself to rate me with 1 star because my opinion of Brubeck not being the greatest musician in musical history doesn't coincide with your delusional opinions foisted as facts. That's far more interesting to me than Brubeck, and certainly even more telling about you as an incredibly petty person than Brubeck's obvious woeful lack of pianism or musicianship. The rampant, constant criticism that he's received from jazz pianists and other jazz musicians over the years is well deserved and the comments about forced and stiff, dead accurate. In other words, Brubeck is nothing more than a hack. And that's a fact.

I just gave you one star, same as you gave me, not just coincidentally for your opinion of Brubeck, but also as a token of your pettiness. I'll keep my opinions to myself from now on, and anything else of value for that matter pertaining to piano or jazz, and just listen to you pontificate, making wild and unsubstantiated claims with no basis in fact, unchallenged, which I imagine will be a welcome relief to your ruffled ego.
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#1133116 - 02/17/07 11:28 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Originally posted by virtuosic1:
I'll keep my opinions to myself from now on, and anything else of value for that matter pertaining to piano or jazz[/b]
no. please continue to do so.
just restrain yourself when you chance upon absurdity.

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#1133117 - 02/17/07 05:15 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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virtuosic, I'm finding many things amusing here, but the most amusing is that you can have an opinion but others cannot. Even more amusing is that your opinion is "substantiated and valid" while other opinions aren't. Speaking of pettiness...how have you been? The one good thing that has come from this is your promise to keep your opinion to yourself. If that's kept, God works in mysterious ways His wonders to perform.

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#1133118 - 02/17/07 06:34 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Originally posted by brummell:
virtuosic, I'm finding many things amusing here, but the most amusing is that you can have an opinion but others cannot. Even more amusing is that your opinion is "substantiated and valid" while other opinions aren't. Speaking of pettiness...how have you been? The one good thing that has come from this is your promise to keep your opinion to yourself. If that's kept, God works in mysterious ways His wonders to perform. [/b]
I'll keep my opinions on music to myself, but still continue to express my opinions about you and what you did. How you retaliated like a spiteful little girl by giving me a 1 star rating because I didn't agree with your opinion on Brubeck as God. And you're an educator? I find that hard to believe, but if by some chance you slipped through the administrative cracks in the education system, what a disgrace it is to teachers everywhere! What do you do to your students if they express their own opinion, fail them?

Second of all, anyone who feels that Brubeck is the Alpha and Omega, a man without peer at the keyboard either knowns less than nothing about music, is completely delusional, or stone deaf. Brubeck as the ultimate pianist is as incredulous a concept as believing that a newborn could throw a piano and hit the moon.

Then, after acting out of vengeance because my opinion differed from yours, you actually have the the audacity to refer to God and Scriptures? You're quite a piece of work. Isn't there a neo-Nazi message board somewhere that you should be posting on?
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#1133119 - 02/17/07 06:43 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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 Quote:
Originally posted by lungfish:
 Quote:
Originally posted by virtuosic1:
I'll keep my opinions to myself from now on, and anything else of value for that matter pertaining to piano or jazz[/b]
no. please continue to do so.
just restrain yourself when you chance upon absurdity. [/b]
I know. It was pretty absurd for me to disagree about Brubeck being the greatest pianist who ever lived, wasn't it? Not only is he the best of the best, he has more talent in his pinky nail than every other pianist in history, combined. They're all children compared to old Stone Fingers. You've made me see the light. I've been saved by the magnificence of Brubeck's hands of stone. :rolleyes:
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#1133120 - 02/17/07 07:00 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Afraid I'm going to have to back Brummell here. I love Brubeck, his music and his style. I don't now why it's necessary to childishly try to tear down someone elses opinion even though it may seem wrong to you.

A huge part of what's wrong in the entire world is the inability of many people to accept that someone disagrees with them.

Unfortunate but it will probably never change.
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#1133121 - 02/17/07 07:21 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Roger, careful or you'll be torn apart too by this whatever who promised to keep his unprofessional opinion to himself. (I knew that wasn't going to happen.) He loves to use "stone fingers" to refer to Brubeck, a true pianist and a real gentleman in every sense of the word. This only enforces my belief that jealousy is a terrible thing.

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#1133122 - 02/17/07 11:32 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Originally posted by brummell:
Roger, careful or you'll be torn apart too by this whatever who promised to keep his unprofessional opinion to himself. (I knew that wasn't going to happen.) He loves to use "stone fingers" to refer to Brubeck, a true pianist and a real gentleman in every sense of the word. This only enforces my belief that jealousy is a terrible thing. [/b]
Yes. That's it. I'm jealous of Brubeck's prodigious technical mastery. Before you start accusing people of being jealous of Brubeck's stone-fingered technique, perhaps you should give this a lesson to dissuade you from believing your own arm-chair pyschoanalytical BS:

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?/topic/37/766.html

Yeah, I'm real jealous of Brubeck. I'd much rather be 80 years old and have to wrestle with my own hands whenever I sit at a keyboard than be me.

How about we discuss your actions, the deliberate rate bashing you gave me because I had the audacity to express my opinion on Brubeck? You don't want to discuss that, do you? Not that I blame you. Then you have the balls to tell me that it's better that I don't post anymore. That I add nothing of value to this Forum? Have you ever read any of my posts on music or jazz? Jealousy? You're the last one that should mention that word. What's really wrong? Some of my abilities displayed on my posted MP3s freaked you out? Let's be really honest here. This is far more about your jealousy of me than your unrealistic, delusion fixations on Brubeck's musicianship, which have been criticized by more notable jazz pianists than I could possibly mention. Everybody's wrong and you're right and that's a fact? According to who? You? Let's see the research behind your facts.
You yourself took this well beyond opinion. You stated that, "it's a fact that Burbeck is superior to every other pianist". I challenged your statement that it was a fact.
We should be discussing the deliberate revenge 1 star drubbing you bestowed on my rating, not because I don't contribute sound advice and expertise, but because I dared to question your convoluted facts, based more on insanity than reality.
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#1133123 - 02/18/07 04:26 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Nope, sorry to disappoint you, but I have never read any of your posts nor have I listened to your "versions". Here there are 2 chapters, and I have just given you Chapter 1. Would you care to hear Chapter 2 or are you bright enough to figure that one out? I'm insane? Who is psychoanalyzing whom? Coming from you, that diagnosis is the greatest compliment I have ever received so here is a great big thank you. You are truly filled with yourself, your talent, and your greatness. Such unwarranted audacity speaks volumes. Sweet sounds are coming from my Bose this very minute: Dave Brubeck!!!

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#1133124 - 02/18/07 05:40 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Nope, sorry to disappoint you, but I have never read any of your posts nor have I listened to your "versions". Here there are 2 chapters, and I have just given you Chapter 1. Would you care to hear Chapter 2 or are you bright enough to figure that one out? I'm insane? Who is psychoanalyzing whom? Coming from you, that diagnosis is the greatest compliment I have ever received so here is a great big thank you. You are truly filled with yourself, your talent, and your greatness. Such unwarranted audacity speaks volumes. Sweet sounds are coming from my Bose this very minute: Dave Brubeck!!! [/b]
So since you never read any of my posts, nor did you ever hear any of my MP3s, which one of your orifices did you pull your assessment of my "feeble" abilities out of, fool? You know everything about me, a self-professed expert on me and know how "unprofessional" a musician I am, based on what? These are more of your assinine "facts"? Since you never read my posts, nor listened to my music, what did you base your 1 star rating of me on? Just the spitefulness and pettiness of a very, very small person? Are you an adult? If so, I'm very sorry for you. You have my sympathies, as does anyone who comes into contact with you on a daily basis.
I just read all of your posts on this Forum, aside from this thread. Took all of 3 minutes. You really don't know much about music do you? Not one piece of information, not even an iota of technical or theoretical expertise directed to someone in a helpful way to any extent whatsoever in any of your posts. Do you even play the piano? \:D
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#1133125 - 02/18/07 08:28 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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virtuosic, you read my posts in 3 minutes? So you are not only the world's only and greatest musical guru, but you are also the speediest of speed readers if one deletes comprehension. Aren't you absolutely wonderful in every regard? Well, almost...discounting the spelling department. From what orifice (your word) did you pull the spelling of "asinine"? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Undoubtedly, it was your keyboard's mistake, not yours, huh?

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#1133126 - 02/18/07 05:56 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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virtuosic, you read my posts in 3 minutes? So you are not only the world's only and greatest musical guru, but you are also the speediest of speed readers if one deletes comprehension. Aren't you absolutely wonderful in every regard? Well, almost...discounting the spelling department. From what orifice (your word) did you pull the spelling of "asinine"? I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. Undoubtedly, it http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/cgi-bin/ul...9;u=00013262was your keyboard's mistake, not yours, huh? [/b]
Most of your posts are one sentence. It was quite easy to read them in three minutes. How come you won't address your spiteful actions of giving me 1 star for my opinion on Brubeck? You focus on spelling, but not on your actions and statements, right?

What do you teach? Stupidity? By your own admission, you haven't read any of my posts. And in not reading them, you stated that my posts are of no value whatsoever? Another "fact" of yours? Why are you so focused on belittling my musicianship when you haven't read any of my posts on music, or heard any of my MP3s? Isn't that ridiculous of you? You don't mind showing what a total horse's rectum you are with your contradictory, illogical commentary like, "I've never heard your music but I don't like it. I've never read your posts, but you know nothing". Then in another post of yours you discuss how wonderful arrogance is. Why are you here? To troll real musicians? To troll musicians you've never heard, that have made their living in recording studios for the past 30 years, calling them "unprofessional"?
Post a musical example of your playing. Confirm what I've already stated about you based on your actions and comments on this Forum.
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#1133127 - 02/18/07 06:15 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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virtuosic, you read my posts in 3 minutes? [/b]
Like I said, 3 minutes. Let's examine some of your "literary genius" and "vast musical, technical expertise" in yoiur posts on this Forum aside from your Brubeck thread, which again, after all, you state nothing about the technical or theroetical aspects of the music:

Feb 16th: "First piece...very, very nice. Beautifully haunting"

Feb 16th: "I equate arrogance with human goodness. Don't tell me how good you are; SHOW me then I will really know and draw my own conclusions"

(Spoken like a true horse's rectum. Interesting statement coming from someone that never heard or read my posts or MP3s and formed a negative opinion based on nothing)

Feb 13th: "I could certainly live with this."

Feb 12th: "Great idea to have a piano chat room. I can't wait until it's up and running"

Shall I go on? Three minutes worth of jibberish in about 60 posts, aside from the gibberish in this thread, where again, true to form, you state nothing about music itself from any type of technical aspect. Shall we randomly examine one of my posts:

From the "Fast" thread:

"My right hand ascends with greater facility and control with the 3-4-5 fingers. Give that a try. Ascend in the right hand with (from c#) 3-4-3-4-5-3-4-3-4-3-4-5, etc.
The same is true of my left hand. Anatomically, the hands and entire arm mechanism is designed to do that at the keyboard, although pianists aren't trained in that manner (using the 5-4-3 fingers the same way as the 1-2-3 fingers). I know what you're thinking. The 4th finger is weak in comparison to the 3rd, etc. etc., and this might be true if you're playing at moderate to loud dynamic levels. But at the surface of the key, you must play with limited finger height (the fingers literally resting on the key's surfaces) to play extremely fast, thereby limiting excess motion and travel time between strokes. At this level, which is conducive to a range of pppp to mp, the 4th finger is just as useful and independent as the rest."

What's this? A post about the technical aspects of piano performance? In your expert opinion as a piano critic, what's your opinion on my commentary? Do you agree or disagree with me? Any comments, master musician?

Let's look at another one:

Originally posted by rintincop:
Your version of Lennie Tristano's "Scene and Variation" is brilliant. How did you conceive of it harmonicly? Do you not play it the same way twice? How do you come up with each block chord, do you employ some sort of harmonic method?
Is it written down?
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Thank you, Rin. I could approach it two different ways. One from a "jazz persepective", that is, harmonically, using chord substitution, or from a completely different aspect, that is, linearly, more the way Bartok built his 8 voice fugue on that 5 note motivic cell in the third movement of "Music for Percussion, Strings, and Celeste":

http://www.amazon.com/Bart%C3%B3k-Concer...ie=UTF8&s=music

Track 6

or Ives' Central Park in the Dark:

http://www.amazon.com/Charles-Ives-Canta...ie=UTF8&s=music

Track 10

Here's an amazing piece of music that started out as an improvisation. Here, the harmonic outgrowth is the byproduct of thematic deconstruction and then reconstructing thematic motivic overlays, block upon block:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEnTEY-XQXw

I usually approach "chording" from the latter perspective, that is as the harmonic outgrowth of many linear components. Pure voice leading. I know exactly what type of chords I'm playing, huge extensions that could be classified better as harmonic counterpoint rather than different classes of 13th chords (as most of my aggregates have far more than 7 different interspaced components), but the names and sequences of chords are of far less importance than the individual voices therein, which move from dissonance to resolution like the individual voices of a many lined fugue. My style of "chording", although phrased and containing subjects within a jazz idiom, far more incorporate the harmonic elements and thinking of 20th century classical music (Ives, Sorabji, Bartok, Xenakis, Messaien, Crumb, etc.) than jazz. My influences are just as much 20th century classical/neo-classical as jazz. I never play the same thing the same way twice, and that's the byproduct of diverse influences as anything else.


What do you think, Brummel? Do you agree or disagree with my comments on linear gravity and harmonic counterpoint, and why? Dazzle me with your musical intellect. \:D
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#1133128 - 02/18/07 06:52 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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I am totally and completely bedazzled by you and your very genius--musical and otherwise. You are without doubt the greatest; nothing like you has ever been before or will ever grace humanity again. I as everyone else stand in awe. Since I'm now telling you what you believe and obviously need to hear, I am surely coming closer to your graces. Oh, Wise One, I beseech thee tell me I am.

Now permit me to tell you I think you are o.k. and I have enjoyed the bantering. I admire you because you are compassionate about your beliefs. Permit me the same, o.k.? Brubeck rules here, and I will continue to attend all his concerts I possibly can. Brubeck is greater than the total sum of his parts. Yes, that's my original opinion. Yes, that's still my opinion.

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#1133129 - 02/18/07 07:16 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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I hope you have signed up for the Brubeck Quartet newsletter. I enjoy reading it.
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#1133130 - 02/18/07 09:29 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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BDB, no, I do not receive the Brubeck newsletter. Would you mind forwarding the address to me and any other info. Please send the info here or email me. Thank you very, very much.

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#1133131 - 02/18/07 09:42 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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BDB, ignore the previous request. I now have signed up for the Brubeck Newsletter. Hey, thanks a million, and I owe you a cold one.

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#1133132 - 03/17/07 07:19 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Sometimes its not the..prowess or technique..
but style...in the creative sense..some may say Julie London was not a good singer..but she's remembered for her hit.. Cry Me A River
so whatever a person thinks of Brubeck..after he's gone you'll always remember .."Take Five"

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#1133133 - 03/17/07 08:33 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Originally posted by Bob Newbie:
Sometimes its not the..prowess or technique..
but style...in the creative sense..some may say Julie London was not a good singer..but she's remembered for her hit.. Cry Me A River
so whatever a person thinks of Brubeck..after he's gone you'll always remember .."Take Five" [/b]
... and Desi Arnaz singing "Baba-Loo"
... and Yul Brynner's singing in "the King of Siam"
... and Liberace singing "Always".
... and Irene Dunne and Buddy Ebsen singing "She'll be coming around the Mountain" on the Beverly Hillbillys.
... and Alfalfa's singing to Darla on the Little Rascals
... and Fred Flintstone singing "Eeep Op Ork Ah Ah"

etc., etc.

all of them as equally memorable and unforgettable as Brubeck's stone-fingered performances on "Take 5".

\:D
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#1133134 - 03/17/07 01:28 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Yeah but none of them look like Julie London! \:\)

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#1133135 - 03/17/07 03:31 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Yeah but none of them look like Julie London! \:\) [/b]
Neither does Julie London any more. ;\)
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#1133136 - 03/20/07 06:49 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Ellis, thank you for sharing your most recent Dave Brubeck find. Please email me again with that information. Thanks.

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#1133137 - 03/20/07 06:59 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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I recently got a notice about the 2007 Brubeck Festival at the University of the Pacific next month. It looks interesting. I will see him in San Francisco April 15.
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#1133138 - 03/20/07 07:54 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Originally posted by BDB:
I recently got a notice about the 2007 Brubeck Festival at the University of the Pacific next month. It looks interesting. I will see him in San Francisco April 15. [/b]
I can only hope that his stone fingers hitting those keys doesn't trigger another earthquake. \:D
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#1133139 - 03/20/07 08:00 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BDB:
[qb] I recently got a notice about the 2007 Brubeck Festival at the University of the Pacific next month. It looks interesting. I will see him in San Francisco April 15. [/b]
If Robert Wuhl doddered onstage with a white wig and filled in for Brubeck, do you think anyone would notice the difference?:

http://www.8notes.com/images/artists/dave_brubeck.jpg


http://www.nationwidespeakers.com/images/biopics/RobertWuhl_880.jpg

http://www.nndb.com/people/863/000022797/davebrubeck02.jpg

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#1133140 - 03/20/07 08:20 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Dave Brubeck is a very nice person. His warmth and humanity come out in his playing. There are technical whizzes who have none of that, and they never make it out of justly deserved oblivion.
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#1133141 - 03/20/07 08:27 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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There are technical whizzes who have none of that, and they never make it out of justly deserved oblivion. [/b]
Oh sure we do, every once in a great while. ;\)

http://h1.ripway.com/Virtuosic1/R1_0026.MP3

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#1133142 - 03/22/07 05:27 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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BDB, I agree with your comments 100%. Regardless of what you-know-who has to say, I never tire of hearing Brubeck, who is #1.(Yep, I still hold that opinion.) And, yes, Brubeck is more than a jazz pianist; he's a first-class human being in every sense of the word.

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#1133143 - 03/22/07 07:29 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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This is why I stay away from jazz. Seems to me you can't even discuss the topic without a bunch of juvenile arguments over "who is the best."

What a bunch of childish nonsense.

Back to something useful....

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#1133144 - 04/01/07 07:33 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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To answer the question "Why is it called Take 5" -
The pieces was first recorded in 1959 on an album entitled "Time Out". "Take 5" is an alternative way of saying "Lets take time out" i.e. take a break..
I seem to recall reading about this somewhere in the dim and distant past and I think that this is the connection.. the source of the title..

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#1133145 - 04/02/07 02:57 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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There are a couple of puns there. Brubeck has been very adventurous with time signatures and rhythms. Take Five is in a quintuple meter. Blue Rondo a la Turk is another example, being nine beats to the bar, but divided 2 + 2 + 2 + 3. Darius Milhaud, his great mentor and teacher at Mills, encouraged him to do so. He took that advice to heart, and today what I see most in his playing is not virtuosity in his pianism, but his virtuosity as a musician.

Brubeck named one of his sons Darius, and he still speaks with great affection about Milhaud. His brother Henry also studied with Milhaud, before the war, which is probably how Dave came to study there. Henry was the second male student at Mills.
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#1133146 - 04/03/07 05:39 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Exactly BDB. "Take 5" is a play on words not only with the Album Title "Time Out".. but also with the unusual time signatures adopted.

I have a double vinyl album of Brubeck's Carnegie Hall Concert (1963 I think it was) where the group plays stuff in 5/4 11/4 9/8 etc. That live version of "Blue Rondo" is wonderful.. both for Desmond's solo and Brubecks piano solo which switches between 9/8 3/4 2/4 4/4.. and sometimes you have two time signatures going at the same time (overlapping)!

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#1133147 - 04/09/07 05:04 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Brubeck has very nice posture.
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#1133148 - 04/10/07 12:28 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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I like Brubeck, but does anyone here ever discuss modern jazz pianists like Brad Mehldau, Jean-Michel Pilc, Jason Moran just to name a few?

There are many great jazz pianists...many.
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#1133149 - 04/10/07 01:32 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Yes, and some of them may be better pianists than Dave Brubeck, but there are few who are as great musicians as he.
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#1133150 - 04/10/07 01:43 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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That's cool that you dig dave...as I said I'm a fan as well.

I'm not discounting his musicianship or 'greatness' just pointing out that there is a lot more going on in jazz than what I read about here on this forum, so making such a defined statement seems to close doors.

There are many great jazz musicians as he...
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#1133151 - 04/10/07 01:51 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Originally posted by J. Mark:
This is why I stay away from jazz. Seems to me you can't even discuss the topic without a bunch of juvenile arguments over "who is the best."

What a bunch of childish nonsense.

Back to something useful.... [/b]
Funny a similar thread was going on in classical regarding Brendel and Gould...
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#1133152 - 04/10/07 08:44 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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steveb40 - I had the pleasure of seeing Tord Gustavsen and his trio in Washington last December. Young (maybe 30?) jazz pianist from Norway. Powerful stuff.

While his posture is not as nice as Brubeck's, he's worth checking out.
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#1133153 - 04/10/07 10:57 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Ermo, Yes!...I like Tord and some other ECM artists. Have you heard Bobo Stenson?

I will check out Tord live in the fall.
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#1133154 - 04/10/07 11:19 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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I have not heard of Bobo Stenson. Do you have a CD of his that you would recommend? And how's his posture? And is Tord going to be in NYC in the fall?
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#1133155 - 04/10/07 09:14 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Bobo's posture is very bad.

I would recommend Serenity...Great record. I think Tord might be in NYC in the fall.
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#1133156 - 04/11/07 01:52 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Thanks for the recommendation.

If you're going anyway, get me a ticket, wouldja? Something not too far from the stage would be great.
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#1133157 - 04/11/07 03:26 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Ermo, I noticed that you've commented several times on the posture of certain pianists. Is there a particular reason why you seem to be interested in that issue? Is good posture more important in jazz piano than in classical piano?

Just wondering.
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#1133158 - 04/11/07 04:03 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Well, Mark, there was a lot of discussion earlier in this thread about the relative merits of these various giants of the jazz piano world, and I thought it was worth noting what beautiful posture Brubeck has. In fact, if you were judging on posture you'd have to say Brubeck is the best, hands down.

Compared to Brubeck, OP is a total slouch. And Tatum isn't much better.

And have you ever seen Bill Evans? The dude plays doubled over like he has stomach cramps.

And Monk? Forgettaboutit! He looks like a girl riding a horse side saddle ... and the freakin hats! You won't see Brubeck wearing any silly hats, no sir.

Yep, Brubeck has by far the best posture.
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#1133159 - 04/11/07 04:25 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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I'm a really big jazz fan, and I've even heard Take 5, but those other names don't sound familiar. So I guess my answer is, not only have I not seen their posture, I've never even heard of them! LOL!
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#1133160 - 04/11/07 04:30 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Hey, don't take my word for it. Check out these clips:

Brubeck: Great Posture!

Bill Evans: Stomach Flu?

Monk: Maybe His Ears Are Cold?
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#1133161 - 04/11/07 04:40 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Wow, you're right. I never heard of Evans and Monk, but Brubeck looks much younger than I pictured him.
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#1133162 - 04/11/07 09:46 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Take a look at this last performance of Bill's 3 weeks before he died here in NY....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bgi9v8xfDwk
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#1133163 - 04/11/07 11:52 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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In all seriousness, that dude was friggin incredible. Thanks for pointing out the clip, Steve. I also actually really like that clip of My Foolish Heart that I put up. Bill was channeling Chopin a little.
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#1133164 - 04/16/07 01:55 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Dave Brubeck and his quartet put on a great show with a big band tonight. It just kept getting better and better.
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#1133165 - 04/16/07 02:48 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Bill Evans channeled Chopin's left hand, and Claude Debussy's harmonies.

Jean-Yves Thibaudet recorded an improvised album of Evans tunes titled "Conversations with Bill Evans". It's great playing and can be an ear opening exposition of the Evans style and its relation to the French Impressionist composers. (Tea and cakes will be served after the lecture.)

Yes, Bill Evans had a stomach ache in 1980 (he died of a bleeding ulcer in September of that year) though he played down close to the keys for most of his career. A very sad ending for one of jazz piano's great innovators.

And the fellow who claimed to be a big jazz fan but hadn't heard of Bill Evans or Monk? Thats a kind of tautology, don't you think? You owe it to yourself to listen to these people, especially these two people, who helped invent bebop and modern jazz harmonies.

Evans plays beautifully and is a master craftsman. He was the Co-Producer of the most famous jazz recording of all time, played on many seminal recordings of the period, and wrote many tunes (Waltz for Debby, Turn Out the Stars, Very Early, Nardis, Blue in Green, etc. He invented the piano trio as a vehicle for three soloists, and first used double tracking with his Conversations with Myself. He was one of the most influential jazz pianists from the 1950s until his death in 1980.

Monk one of the few artists of the time known by a single name--there was Bird, there was Diz, and there was Monk. He was witty and astonishing, unique and colorful, a legend in his own time. He wrote many standards: Mysterioso, Well, You Needn't, Ruby My Dear, Off Minor, Pannonica, and my all-time favorite: 'Round Midnite (aka 'Round About Midnight). Really, you've not heard of Monk?

BDB, I'm surprised the Brubeck thing is still going on. I'm with you, Dave is a gentleman and a scholar and he helped invent the West Coast thing. Virtuosity ain't but a piece of the whole story, and while Dave can't play flashy runs anymore (I never could!), his music (and his accomplishments), are still awesome to witness.

G'nite all.
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#1133166 - 04/16/07 05:48 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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And the fellow who claimed to be a big jazz fan but hadn't heard of Bill Evans or Monk? Thats a kind of tautology, don't you think?
Actually, I don't believe so. I think something such as, "Bill Evans is either the best jazz pianist in the world, or he isn't," or, "Monk is a wonderful jazz piano-playing pianist" might be a tautology.

In any case, I'm sure I've heard their music, but I don't remember names or song titles. I just like listening to jazz. I may have overstated my affinity for the genre.
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#1133167 - 04/20/07 02:43 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Perhaps this is a bit late in the discussion but FWIW I think of the "original" Dave Brubeck Quartet (DBQ -with Morello, Desmond & Wright) as one of the best jazz quartets of all time. DBQ made huge contributions to jazz - I might even go as far as to say put the piano, bass, drums & sax jazz quartet on the map - certainly introduced jazz to "mainstream" American music. However, Dave Brubeck, as a pianist - apart from his quartet - "solo" if you will, never was or ever will be in a league like Art Tatum, Oscar, Bill Evans, or a Herbie Hancock. This is not intended to take anything away from DB - but pianistically speaking, with his physical limitations, DB was largely an accompanist in the DBQ - not what I would consider to be a strong, exciting or innovative soloist - Desmond held that title and shared it, at times, with Morello. Bottom line - I'll listen to DBQ every chance I get.
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#1133168 - 04/20/07 03:10 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Dave Brubeck is a musical experience, not necessarily a pianistic experience, just like Duke Ellington. There are a lot of great pianists out there, but it is the great musicians I enjoy most.
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#1133169 - 04/20/07 06:17 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Originally posted by markb:
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And the fellow who claimed to be a big jazz fan but hadn't heard of Bill Evans or Monk? Thats a kind of tautology, don't you think?
Actually, I don't believe so. I think something such as, "Bill Evans is either the best jazz pianist in the world, or he isn't," or, "Monk is a wonderful jazz piano-playing pianist" might be a tautology.

In any case, I'm sure I've heard their music, but I don't remember names or song titles. I just like listening to jazz. I may have overstated my affinity for the genre. [/b]
No harm meant, really, and I appreciate your candor (and semantics lesson as I was never sure of the difference between a tautology and an oxymoron. Besides, start tossing an oxymoron around and people do get insulted!)

Excuse me while I hijack this thread:

My favorite Bill Evans recording: Moonbeams. A favorite Monk album--too difficult to define as there's been so many re-releases of late.

If you're a fan of Tony Bennett, check out the Bill Evans / Tony Bennett album (that's the title).

best wishes,

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#1133170 - 04/20/07 10:41 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Dave Brubeck is a musical experience, not necessarily a pianistic experience, just like Duke Ellington. There are a lot of great pianists out there, but it is the great musicians I enjoy most. [/b]
I think Bill Evans, Monk etc are great musicians as well. Certainly the Bill Evans trio is a musical experience...

Duke was quite a pianist...Listen to Money Jungle with Mingus and Max Roach...
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#1133171 - 04/21/07 02:48 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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#1133172 - 04/21/07 01:31 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Originally posted by AD:
Who else smokes with his left while tinkling with his right.
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It's been awhile since I've seen a piano in a club or bar with - what used to be - ubiquitous brown and black marks on the bass keys. But there was a time in the not too distant past when a piano player with a butt, either in their mouths or burning the keytops, would have been a very normal sight.

And thanks for posting the Basie clip. What a great rhythm section that was. A fine example of of how sometimes less can be more.
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#1133173 - 04/21/07 06:45 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Originally posted by JazzManToo:
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Originally posted by AD:
Who else smokes with his left while tinkling with his right.
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It's been awhile since I've seen a piano in a club or bar with - what used to be - ubiquitous brown and black marks on the bass keys. But there was a time in the not too distant past when a piano player with a butt, either in their mouths or burning the keytops, would have been a very normal sight.

And thanks for posting the Basie clip. What a great rhythm section that was. A fine example of of how sometimes less can be more. [/b]
And burn marks on the music desk, too.

I don't miss smoking at all! That nasty habit had me by the throat for almost 20 years. Now, it's been over 20 years since I smoked, and that seems like a different lifetime (still play some of the same tunes, though!).
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#1133174 - 04/23/07 11:18 AM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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ipgrunt wrote:
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No harm meant, really, and I appreciate your candor (and semantics lesson as I was never sure of the difference between a tautology and an oxymoron. Besides, start tossing an oxymoron around and people do get insulted!)
Actually, I need to thank you. I had no idea what a tautology was until I looked it up subsequent to reading your post. Now that I know what it means, I try to use it in conversation at least once every day.
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#1133175 - 04/23/07 01:43 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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You're very welcome.

We have both learned something--that's a good day.
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#1133176 - 04/23/07 05:52 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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Piano Blues by Clint Eastwood is a great DVD and Dave Brubeck played a tune called Travellin’ Blues, it was recorded in 2002 at a session organized by Eastwood and Bruce Ricker. It was recorded before but this time there is a lot of feeling and soul and it is one of the best tunes on the whole disk and there are some great players and Dave holds his own in his eighties. Dave has at least four jazz standards that every jazz musician knows about or plays
TAKE FIVE
IN YOUR OWN SWEET WAY
BLUE RONDO ALA TURK
IT'S A RAGGY WALTZ
Dave concerts are usually sold out and they always seem to add extra shows to accommodate the crowds.

Brubeck Institute > Brubeck Fellowship Program
The Brubeck Fellowship Program

The Brubeck Fellowship Program is a one- or two-year full-scholarship program in jazz performance for five musicians who are 18 to 19 years of age. These individuals, known as the Brubeck Fellows, comprise the Brubeck Institute Jazz Quintet. The Fellows study with Institute faculty, visiting jazz educators, artists, clinicians, and masters, and Bay Area professional musicians. They may also perform with ensembles in the Conservatory of Music and may take selected classes in the Conservatory and University for university credit. Upon completion of the program, they receive the Brubeck Institute Certificate of Jazz Performance and go on to collegiate programs in jazz studies or pursue careers in performance. They are also expected to serve as ambassadors for jazz, and promote the values epitomized by the life and music of Dave Brubeck.

The Brubeck Fellows
To learn more about the current and past fellows, click on each of the following.

• The 2006-2007 Brubeck Fellows

• The 2005-2006 Brubeck Fellows – The Brubeck Institute Jazz Quintet

• The 2004-2005 Brubeck Fellows

• The 2003-2004 Brubeck Fellows

• The 2002-2003 Brubeck Fellows
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Jazz has been more than just about those that play well it also about community from the players to the club owners to the angels that support live jazz with money to produce the music and bring concerts to the people to enjoy. It includes the volunteers that take tickets to those that get the word out. David Brubeck BY NO MEANS is the same piano player as Oscar Peterson and others that have fantastic technique but to not acknowledge all the contributions he has made to jazz based on his lack of chops is not right. But then again why should he care he plays pack out concerts with his kids and is having the time of his life and he doesn't have to justify his music or what he has done to anyone you can read about as he has secured his place in jazz history. DPVJAZZ

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#1133177 - 04/25/07 04:24 PM Re: Dave Brubeck - Take Five
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In the early 60's, my older brother introduced me to Blue Rondo a la Turk and Dave Brubeck. As a young beginner pianist, I copied the recording one note at a time until I had the entire 9/8 section "mastered". This was my intro to jazz.

Several years later, I had the opportunity to not only meet DB, record with him, and be a guest in his home. I saw the piano Time Out, was recorded on, the oils that were used as covers for Time Out, and Time Further Out, and the framed gold records on his walls. Needlesstosay, this experience was a major event in my life. DB has always been my mentor and always will be.

DB is heavy handed. That's his style. He's not Art Tatum, but who is? And who cares? He has made a huge contribution to jazz over the past 50+ years. Unlike many jazz musicians, DB has been a devoted father and husband. His strong religeous background and faith have been further demonstrated through his Oratorios, with their Biblical themes.

I prefer listening to George Shearing, Oscar Peterson, and Dave McKenna but in many ways,in my opinion, Brubeck is the still best.

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