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#1136413 - 09/20/07 08:38 PM "Technical" difficulties with Christopher O'Riley plays Radiohead
Deus ex Pianoforte Offline
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I've been playing around with the Radiohead Christopher O'Riley transcriptions for the past year or so, and they are pret-ty difficult. O'Riley himself apparently has said that his transcriptions are among the most difficult pieces in his repertoire, and mind you he does Ravel and Prokofiev and all that noise. Almost all of them involve stretchy 16th note arpeggios in the left hand with huge, dissonant 6-note right-hand chords.

I'm working on "You" and my left-hand just cannot handle the arpeggios at full-speed. I can do maybe one or two accurately, but then my left hand quickly tires and gets very sloppy. This is what it looks like:

[img]http://akhaia.typepad.com/.shared/image.html?/photos/uncategorized/cor_page_proof_2_small.jpg[/img]

Any tips on how to make it through this at all? I've tried slow practice...but to no avail.

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#1136414 - 09/21/07 03:50 AM Re: "Technical" difficulties with Christopher O'Riley plays Radiohead
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Considering Mr. O'Reily has probably devoted most of his life building his technique to play such "noise"
has Ravel, Prokofiev, Debussy, at a concert level, I'm quite certain he has the piano equipment at his disposal to play Radiohead or anything else he desires.

For you my suggestion might be, more practice involving LH and overall technique....Chopin Etudes....Godowsky LH studies on the Chopin Etudes...the Debussy Etudes are a great resource for more of the 20th century vocabulary.

Your example didn't come through.
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#1136415 - 09/21/07 05:26 PM Re: "Technical" difficulties with Christopher O'Riley plays Radiohead
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Oops. Ok, on this site:

http://akhaia.typepad.com/christopheroriley/store/

Scroll to where you see "some page scans from the radiohead book.." and click on the right-hand sheet picture.

Thanks for the advice about the etudes. I may try a little of Liszt's technical exercises too.

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#1136416 - 09/21/07 08:19 PM Re: "Technical" difficulties with Christopher O'Riley plays Radiohead
Dave Ferris Offline
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It's kind of hard to tell exactly the intervals because of the small print...but yes from what I can see it looks pretty thorny.

If you're having TOO much trouble making progress on this, it might be above your technical abilities at this time. Maybe try something in that book that is within your grasp (no pun intended). I'd think there are some easier pieces in there...then again not being familiar w/ these transcriptions, I can't say that for sure.

The main concept for learning any thing however, is don't set the bar too high until you are ready.

Good luck......I'm sure there's some great stuff in there!
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#1136417 - 09/21/07 10:09 PM Re: "Technical" difficulties with Christopher O'Riley plays Radiohead
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Thanks a lot for the advice. I think I may take a break from it for awhile. My main frustration is that I've done quick left-hand arpeggios before and I've never had this many problems. The Revolutionary Etude's left-hand doesn't give me this much grief and I play that much faster. I think it's the S T R E T C H I N G that wears me out. :p

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#1136418 - 09/29/07 02:36 PM Re: "Technical" difficulties with Christopher O'Riley plays Radiohead
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Registered: 09/26/07
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Loc: OH
 Quote:
Originally posted by Deus ex Pianoforte:
Thanks a lot for the advice. I think I may take a break from it for awhile. My main frustration is that I've done quick left-hand arpeggios before and I've never had this many problems. The Revolutionary Etude's left-hand doesn't give me this much grief and I play that much faster. I think it's the S T R E T C H I N G that wears me out. :p [/b]
i actually addressed this over on your post in the other pianist's corner. you might have a look there.
in short, i think that stretching is the worng thing to do. as in the chopin d minor prelude, you must find a way to utilize a hand rotation that takes its pivot-point somewhat further above the keys as it were (imagine you had rachmaninoff's hands). if you're really stretching for all those notes, you'll put yourself in a cast pretty quickly. finger strength alone will never do the job. rotation, my friend. cultivate it and let your hand, not your fingers, do the work.

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