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#1138572 - 05/09/07 02:10 AM Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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Watching jazz/blues players who glissando, it seems every player has their favorite way of sliding down the keyboard. Some use their thumb, index finger knuckle, two fingers, or whole hand.

I tend to use the inside of my second finger knuckle. Has anyone found their preference that works best for you?

I'm sure the wrong way could damage a piano right?
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#1138573 - 05/09/07 05:30 AM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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Originally posted by Diane W:
Watching jazz/blues players who glissando, it seems every player has their favorite way of sliding down the keyboard. Some use their thumb, index finger knuckle, two fingers, or whole hand.

I tend to use the inside of my second finger knuckle. Has anyone found their preference that works best for you?

I'm sure the wrong way could damage a piano right? [/b]
The least painful way is coincidentally the superior way from a technical standpoint. The palm or heel of the hand with the fingers outstretched! This makes for a very smooth gliss, even on black keys or a combined white key black key chromatic gliss, the keys struck right at the juncture of where the black keys start to angle where they meet the white keys. Once you adjust the proper plane of your hand (the angle or pitch), this leaves your FINGERS free to react quickly after the gliss without hesitation or even DURING the gliss if you practice this and get good at it! Ahhhh! Sound interesting?

No more finger pain or damaged cuticles either!
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#1138574 - 05/09/07 09:21 AM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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I usually play fast glissandi with the side of the index knuckle curled slightly. It may be painful for some but I don't find it so. I don't do many of them anyway. It hurts if you use the ridge of your thumb. I sometimes use the flats of my fingers and quickly move my elbow upwards or downwards.
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#1138575 - 05/09/07 10:20 AM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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It is interesting that people are wowed by glissandos, yet they are the one thing that someone who does not know how to play the piano can do well.
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#1138576 - 05/09/07 07:59 PM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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whether you use the bottom or top of the hands tends to depend on how much you sweat. I generally like my index fingernail going up (RH) and thumbnail (RH) going down. I'd need boxing gloves to use my knuckles for any length of time ... and my palm would only work for an electric keyboard
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#1138577 - 05/09/07 11:18 PM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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Originally posted by westland:
whether you use the bottom or top of the hands tends to depend on how much you sweat. I generally like my index fingernail going up (RH) and thumbnail (RH) going down. I'd need boxing gloves to use my knuckles for any length of time ... and my palm would only work for an electric keyboard [/b]
The palm works beautifully on either the piano action or electronic action. I'm referring specifically to the muscular part of the palm, not the central soft area. The heel of the palm, which is actually made up of the large base of the thumb (before the actual finger) and the adjacent area geographically below the pinky and 4th finger. With the plane or pitch of the hand adjusted properly, and the fingers outstretched and ready to inter-react, it glides effortlessly and you can produce some incredible effect without ever an ounce of discomfort in either direction.
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#1138578 - 05/10/07 10:18 AM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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You guys are the best!

Thanks for all your ideas. I'm still trying them out one by one.

In the beginning, the two fingers glissando was the only one I was using, but after having to bandage the fingers, I resorted to using a piece of cardboard. That's how I discovered how easy it is to damage a piano. Scratches galor on the white keys!

So I will be exploring all your great ideas.

Thanks again! Sincerely. Diane

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6swDmjhqF4

Here's some pros using glissandos.
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#1138579 - 06/01/07 09:51 AM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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Ive been using my index/middle fingers for decades - just tried the palm - yeah, that works! You mention damage caused by gliss'. In my experience there is a risk with electronic keyboards - on some of them the key bearings dont seem well designed to cope with the sideways stress of gliss'. Clean technique can minimise this, but I have certainly had to fix keys for cracks that looked like a product of enthusiastic R&R glissandi.. glissandos.. slides. By the way I think it wss Jerry Lee Lewis who said the trick isn't the sliding down the keys - its starting and stopping in the right places:-)
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#1138580 - 06/12/07 04:20 AM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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I always use the thumb *nail* - it makes it a lot less painful.
I used to use my index finger, but found I had to cope with regular cuts/burns around the knuckle, which makes it hard to write!
It may not be the most professional way, but it works, and its basically painfree!

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#1138581 - 06/15/07 03:33 PM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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pangea,

Looks like you are in good company! If you watch Jerry Lee Lewis in the about mentioned Youtube video, that's exactly how he plays. With his thumb nail.

I'm still trying out all the suggested methods.

Diane
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#1138582 - 06/15/07 05:15 PM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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I sometimes use a thumbnail but it only works well in one direction (RH down or LH up) if you want to do flash two way slides you need to use your fingers as well or instead. If I have time over the weekend I might see I can can put a demo of the various techniques I can cope with on youtube. There are a couple on here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsAJLc-LR2c
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#1138583 - 06/15/07 07:01 PM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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It is interesting that people are wowed by glissandos, yet they are the one thing that someone who does not know how to play the piano can do well.
I think it partly depends on where and how they're done - at just the right moment at a climax they can be very effective. I don't think anyone would be wowed at a solo that consisted of nothing but glissandos!

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#1138584 - 06/15/07 07:15 PM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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Indeed - I think glissando fatigue can arise very quickly in any audience - in addition, no-one believes anything is difficult if you can do it several times in a row. More is less!!
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#1138585 - 06/22/07 05:52 PM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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I use my middle finger fingernail while bracing that finger from behind with my thumb. I don't usually glissando with my left hand, but would do the same. The other direction would require the thumb fingernail. The nails slide better than the flesh of a finger... at least I think so.

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#1138586 - 06/22/07 11:36 PM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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Monty Alexander uses his thumbnail at 1:00 in this clip. I thinks it's foolish using anything besides the fingernails for glissandos. The lips on the edges of piano keys will cut the flesh. Hammond organ players uses the fleshy parts of their hands because the keys are lighter and have a waterfall design without edges.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7RKWE5Xb88
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#1138587 - 06/23/07 02:45 AM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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Nice clip - wish it were longer:-)
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#1138588 - 06/23/07 11:07 AM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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Heres some fireworks from Oscar Peterson finishing with some glissandi - using thumbnail..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kNvWQgkDcs
votes rising for the humble thumble:-)
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#1138589 - 06/27/07 07:42 PM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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Have been experimenting with all the glissando methods suggested and am really so loving using the thumbnail! Effortless really! Have to turn my hand sideways and tighten up a bit. The tip of the thumbnail glides down the keyboard really well, and it doesn't hurt!

Watching Jerry Lee Lewis' glissando using both hands, up and down the keyboard, helped quite a bit too! (So thankful for Youtube!)

PS: By the way, does anyone know why Jerry Lee Lewis was wearing a brace on his left hand in the Youtube video? Was it broken or something?

Thanks again for all your suggestions! All I know for sure is, no more bandages!

Diane,
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#1138590 - 06/29/07 02:51 PM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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Jerry probably has tendonitis. Playing in a brace can make it worse though.
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#1138591 - 07/04/07 01:19 AM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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Joe Sample recording at Abbey Roads Studios (Beatles room) plays a fast glissando at 3:06, he could only do that with his thumb nail

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZguZw7Wagg
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#1138592 - 07/05/07 01:35 AM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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I seem to remember Oscar Peterson uses his nail. Surely the nail gives a more friction free contact.

I rarely use glissando's in my impro's they seem to dramatic and un-pianistical.

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#1138593 - 07/05/07 10:44 AM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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Alan, are you saying you never use a glissando? Is this too dramatic and un-pianistical to you?

If this is child's play, then I say, let the child play!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfzINXbPx5Y



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#1138594 - 07/08/07 02:38 AM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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Diane

Hello,

Thanks for the 'you-tube' clip. Great stuff.

No, I agree that with a boogie style, glissando is fine. I have used them and just a RH 2nd finger no problem. With tough skin that I have, unfortunately, nothing on the piano hurts except joint pains, at 79 you get these. And I'm still working for a living and driving a classic Caterpillar D8 with no lightweight controls.

This girl of 11 is great, even better than Ray in my view. Boogie is super and a few short Glisses are good.

Lastly, the digital is so easy and bears no comparison with an acoustic, I find, but is great for practice due to its ease in everything except timbre.

Alan

PS;
Western Canada is superb too we went there last year, you breed some good pianists in Canada too don't you!

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#1138595 - 07/08/07 05:56 AM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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Not just Boogie!!!! Here is Horowitz playing Rachmaninoff...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1hgzvuR-tk&mode=related&search=
See what he does around 35 seconds in.... (he uses my preferred technique - fingernail) Anyway just enjoy the video - fabulous stuff!!
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#1138596 - 07/11/07 12:58 AM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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For the black keys I like to use the ball of my fingers, with my fingers outstretched and my hand slanted.
Or I spread my hands about an octave in a V-shape, thumb one way, 4 fingers the other way, with the 4 fingers touching each other, and you can grab about the entire octave of black keys, and then gliss that way.
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#1138597 - 07/11/07 02:36 AM Re: Glissando - Jazz/Blues Style
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Ref; Horowitz youtube download.

I have waited for 20 minutes or so and no playing yet on the utube download.

I have had 'youtube' working usually so what might be the problem? anybody please.

swingal

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