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rintincop,

With just a few points and clicks, anyone can start a Google Group. You can control access, so you can limit invitations to only those you want to include. Be your own moderator, if you like. Why not set up something like alt.tristano, or rec.music.tristano?

How about alt.mercurial-geniuses?

(Sorry, I can never resist a joke.)

Seriously, rintincop, I respect you immensely and I'm in awe of Disciple's talents and the contributions he has made here. I'm not trying to trivialize this thing.

Ed

Disciple was banned not because of the "Chopin/Liszt" thread, but because he bumped several threads to make personal attacks on other posters. We all fly off the handle every now and then (after all, it's the INTERNET!); however, spamming the forum with insults is simply unacceptable.

http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/16868/2.html#000029
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/16830.html#000023
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/16887/2.html#000036
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/16897.html#000021
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/17073.html#000014
http://www.pianoworld.com/ubb/ubb/ultimatebb.php?/topic/2/17052/2.html#000027

A poster who went under the pseudonyms "Steinway" and "B-flat Minor" did the same thing a few years ago and we banned him as well. Disciple is obviously a fine pianist and musician, but that doesn't excuse acting in such a manner.

Just want to point out something that I found interesting:

Disciple was born in 1965 per his profile. Lennie Tristano died in 1978, when Disciple was 13 years old. In one of his posts, Disciple says:

"Lennie Tristano had me playing the Chopin Etudes in every key by the age of 15 as technical exercises, many AT and well beyond prescribed tempos."

Lennie Tristano was dead for 2 years before he had Disciple playing the Chopin Etudes in every key, etc. So, from that, one could either infer that Disciple was actually playing these pieces at the age of 13 (when Lennie was still alive); or that somehow between 13 and 15, he managed to coach himself from the basis he received from Lennie? Just wanted to point this out to the King of Greece, etc.

You are so off Secondo. He's stated his age already on this forum as mid-fifties. 1965 would put him at early forties. You're OVER a decade off.

Profile for Disciple
Member Status: Full Member
Member Number: 22236
Registered: March 27, 2007
Posts: 288
Location: NYC
Occupation: Musician
Interests: music
Birth Date: October 14, 1965
What brand(s) of piano do you own?: Yamaha C3

This is lifted from his profile. Check it.

It is not correct, he stated his actual age several times. It could be a typo. It could be 1955, that would be in the ballpark.

In a private email we were discussing his age in relation to someone I know in jazz and he said they're about the same age.

Could be. Just something I noticed. And when I looked at his Youtube recording he looked to me like a male in his early 40's, esp to look at his hands. (I am in my mid-50's)

Thanks Brendan for the moderator "big heave" explanation.

I'm sure we've all got much bigger fish to fry than to get scratchy over a chappie who insinuated that he could play all the Chopin Etudes ... some of us saw through the aggrandising pitch.

From my corner it wasn't the questioned ability to play any Etude ... it was the giveaway presumption that the Etudes are anything more than Studies ... mostly lacking the charm of the works in which the constructions were later used ... as such , we are talking about a fleet-fingered dude who presently lacks the musical insight to hit the big-time.

As the word implies Etude is a Study ... Chopin was ever experimenting with structural forms ranging over the full keyboard ... his genius has led to later generations expressing such awe at the gymnastics of these experimental "bridge-building" exercises ... that general consensus would appear to have us promote Etudes to that of masterpiece ... but it's rather like finding in some dusty attic a preparatory charcoal sketch of "The Reconciliation of David and Absolom" by Rembrandt ... (we must be so lucky!) and ignoring "The Night Watch".

Etudes are Studies ... with glimpses of rhythmic structures later included in bigger works ... great for developing nimble fingers but what really counts is how the pianist interprets a Chopin Nocturne.

I think it was the throwaway '..and all the Godowsky studies..' that got me.

I am lucky enough to study jazz and piano with Disciple/Virtuosic1. On and off for the past 20 years. I started to read this forum about 2 months ago at his recommendantion. From my recollection, you are the one that wagered your car that he could not play a Chopin Etude of your choice.
If I recall, he accepted your challenge and you never replied. Come to think of it, now that he has been banned, this is the first time you have once again spoken on this subject. Are you going to honor your wager that he accepted. Or have you no honor?

Sitting on one of the many shelves in Disciples home are about a half dozen manuscript books containing incredible variations on Chopin Etudes that he wrote. Some mild and some fantastically wild. Some appear to be unplayable by a single pianist, but he can play them all. Some of them make the Godowski Etudes, which I cannot play but have recordings of, sound simple. One of them is poly-metric, another a 10 voice fugue, another has fast moving block-like chords based on the melody that sound like a Stan Kenton horn section with impossible counter-figures in the left hand. Things that you can close your eyes and imagine 2 or 3 pianists playing.
If anybody wants to stand behind their criticism and challenges of Disciples abilities and honor their bets, please count me in for a piece of the action.

Disciple was born in 1953.

And you know that he lacks insight? Based on what?
He doesn't want the big-time. He was there, could have stayed there and was uncomfortable with the big-time. Preferred the small time teaching and doing studio work. As far as fleet fingered, I had no concept of how fast fingers can play lines until I saw it with my own eyes.
There does not seem to be a technical limit to what he can play and he rarely practices. He can chord faster than most pianists can play single note lines. I'm proud to be his student and most importantly, he is a great teacher. I always learn something new every time I see him.

Where did you get that popcorn? I want some too!

BJ were you born in 1974, or is that a typo?

BJ, Tell us more about your "teacher"

BJ I think he lost his honour somewhere amidst insulting Disciple....

What would you like to know? What are you inferring by putting parentheses around "teacher"? That I'm him? That I'm posting at his behest? Why is it that everyone on this forum seems hellbent on wiping their jackboots on him with lies and innuendos? Then when someone who studies with him posts the truth, there's a problem? I've never heard of such nonsense and I know that I will probably be banned for not bashing him with the rest of you. Tell your moderators to check my IP and ISP if you think I'm him

Are you conducting a census? I am an adult. What personal information do you require of me?