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#1141329 - 02/25/08 11:55 PM Re: Disciple has been driven off
BJones Offline
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Registered: 02/20/08
Posts: 1043
Loc: Queens, NY
 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
BJ, Tell us more about your "teacher" [/b]
We should talk about his youtube video. The one that you do not think much of and base your opinions of him as a mediocre pianist on. Do you understand the music he is playing. The harmonies and control. The voice leading? We should analyze it together and see first hand how "simple" and mundane it is. I have a hard time putting together 4 bars of music like that without sitting down for a week to carefully work it out, then figure out how to play it. he can do it on the fly, right out of his head. As simple and mundane as it seems to you, to jazz players it is not.
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#1141330 - 02/25/08 11:55 PM Re: Disciple has been driven off
LiszThalberg Offline
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Registered: 03/13/06
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This is a waste of time.

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#1141331 - 02/25/08 11:57 PM Re: Disciple has been driven off
BJones Offline
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Registered: 02/20/08
Posts: 1043
Loc: Queens, NY
 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
This is a waste of time. [/b]
I imagine It wasn't a waste of time though to wipe your jack boots off on Disciple, was it? Without anyone to challenge you. How sad that you feel better about yourself by doing that.
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Cool School Chopin:

http://www.mediafire.com/?d1yc1mmitew

Improvisations:

http://www.box.net/shared/bjv6yc34oo

http://www.box.net/shared/8lmc3hzikl


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#1141332 - 02/26/08 12:20 AM Re: Disciple has been driven off
BJones Offline
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Registered: 02/20/08
Posts: 1043
Loc: Queens, NY
 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
This is a waste of time. [/b]
Matthew, I just watched your youtube videos and after doing so find it proposterous that you would badmouth and criticize Disciples technique.
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Some recent improvisations:

Cool School Chopin:

http://www.mediafire.com/?d1yc1mmitew

Improvisations:

http://www.box.net/shared/bjv6yc34oo

http://www.box.net/shared/8lmc3hzikl


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#1141333 - 02/26/08 01:08 AM Re: Disciple has been driven off
Danny Niklas Offline
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Registered: 01/15/08
Posts: 905
Loc: Switzerland
I think worshipping is another form of discrimination. You divinize the person instead of seein him or her as human being with his or her merits and faults. So it's sad of the see Disciple student speak of his teacher as some kind of demi-human robot of music. Unless this student is actually Disciple himself.

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#1141334 - 02/26/08 02:00 AM Re: Disciple has been driven off
keyboardklutz Offline
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Loc: London, UK (though if it's Aug...
Yikes! Son of Disciple! I'm off (again).
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#1141335 - 02/26/08 02:42 AM Re: Disciple has been driven off
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Loc: Pacific Northwest, US.
 Quote:
Originally posted by BJones:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
This is a waste of time.
Matthew, I just watched your youtube videos and after doing so find it proposterous that you would badmouth and criticize Disciples technique.
That does it. I've tried to avoid this damned silly thread, but alas it keeps coming up on the side bar. BJones, the great student of the even greater Disciple.

You truly follow in the steps of the "master" and have started taking self-satisfied pot shots at everyone in sight. Why don't you get a life, buddy, and stop wasting everybody's time.

You are a real pompous piece of work.
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#1141336 - 02/26/08 06:39 AM Re: Disciple has been driven off
LiszThalberg Offline
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Registered: 03/13/06
Posts: 3288
 Quote:
Originally posted by BJones:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
This is a waste of time. [/b]
Matthew, I just watched your youtube videos and after doing so find it proposterous that you would badmouth and criticize Disciples technique. [/b]
I have never communicated with Disciples nor said one word to him on this entire forum. I've read some of his posts and some seem very snobbish and immature. I'd like to think at 14, I know the difference between what's acceptable and what isn't in forum posts; some older people still apparently don't.

As for my technique... I've only been playing.. hmmm.... 40 years less than him. I don't care how good and great he is, he has no reason to act like that and you have no reason to pick on me like this.
Matt

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#1141337 - 02/26/08 07:44 AM Re: Disciple has been driven off
BJones Offline
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Registered: 02/20/08
Posts: 1043
Loc: Queens, NY
 Quote:
Originally posted by argerichfan:
 Quote:
Originally posted by BJones:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
This is a waste of time.
Matthew, I just watched your youtube videos and after doing so find it proposterous that you would badmouth and criticize Disciples technique.
That does it. I've tried to avoid this damned silly thread, but alas it keeps coming up on the side bar. BJones, the great student of the even greater Disciple.

You truly follow in the steps of the "master" and have started taking self-satisfied pot shots at everyone in sight. Why don't you get a life, buddy, and stop wasting everybody's time.

You are a real pompous piece of work. [/b]
And it's not pompous for you to contend what he can and can't play? You are the one taking pot shots at his playing. For me to say that his technique is unmatched is pompous? That's my opinion. Your opinioon is that he's a lousy pianistr with severe limitations, even though his video shows otherwise. My opinion is the opposite of yours. If I said, "Argerich has the finest technique in the world" there wouldn't be a problem. If I say, Disciple can play things that she probably hasn't thought of, then we have a problem. Why do you feel that you must be the judge of what I think? I see the man every week. I'm always awed when he plays something. That's why I've studied with him since I was 14.
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Some recent improvisations:

Cool School Chopin:

http://www.mediafire.com/?d1yc1mmitew

Improvisations:

http://www.box.net/shared/bjv6yc34oo

http://www.box.net/shared/8lmc3hzikl


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#1141338 - 02/26/08 07:53 AM Re: Disciple has been driven off
BJones Offline
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Registered: 02/20/08
Posts: 1043
Loc: Queens, NY
 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
 Quote:
Originally posted by BJones:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
This is a waste of time. [/b]
Matthew, I just watched your youtube videos and after doing so find it proposterous that you would badmouth and criticize Disciples technique. [/b]
I have never communicated with Disciples nor said one word to him on this entire forum. I've read some of his posts and some seem very snobbish and immature. I'd like to think at 14, I know the difference between what's acceptable and what isn't in forum posts; some older people still apparently don't.

As for my technique... I've only been playing.. hmmm.... 40 years less than him. I don't care how good and great he is, he has no reason to act like that and you have no reason to pick on me like this.
Matt [/b]
I'm not picking on you. I expressed my opinion on your playing. I'm sorry if it didn't meet with your expectations. Over a dozen members have posted various negative comments about Disciples playing, some I'm sure that never even saw his video. Most of you are of the opinion that he's a lousy pianist incapable of bumbling his way through a classical piece. If I don't share that opinion, why is it picking on you? If my opinion of your playing is that you aren't qualified to bash Disciples technique, am I not entitled to that opinion? You're all entuitiled to say Disciple can't play, I can't say that you're all wrong. Just watch his video. Anyone thats ever sat at a keyboard should be able to tell that he can play the piano. I've posted on jaz forums before. Ive never seen such a rush to bash someone's abilities before anywhere.
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Some recent improvisations:

Cool School Chopin:

http://www.mediafire.com/?d1yc1mmitew

Improvisations:

http://www.box.net/shared/bjv6yc34oo

http://www.box.net/shared/8lmc3hzikl


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#1141339 - 02/26/08 08:01 AM Re: Disciple has been driven off
BJones Offline
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Registered: 02/20/08
Posts: 1043
Loc: Queens, NY
 Quote:
Originally posted by argerichfan:
 Quote:
Originally posted by BJones:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
This is a waste of time.
Matthew, I just watched your youtube videos and after doing so find it proposterous that you would badmouth and criticize Disciples technique.
That does it. I've tried to avoid this damned silly thread, but alas it keeps coming up on the side bar. BJones, the great student of the even greater Disciple.

You truly follow in the steps of the "master" and have started taking self-satisfied pot shots at everyone in sight. Why don't you get a life, buddy, and stop wasting everybody's time.

You are a real pompous piece of work. [/b]
Why don't we look at 3 miniutes of Disciples playing:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=5C5gnAqgttY&feature=user

Can someone please explain to me why the general opinion here is that he's a hack as a pianist with very limited technique and you all feel that his playing should be openly trashed on this forum?
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Some recent improvisations:

Cool School Chopin:

http://www.mediafire.com/?d1yc1mmitew

Improvisations:

http://www.box.net/shared/bjv6yc34oo

http://www.box.net/shared/8lmc3hzikl


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#1141340 - 02/26/08 08:05 AM Re: Disciple has been driven off
BJones Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/20/08
Posts: 1043
Loc: Queens, NY
 Quote:
Originally posted by argerichfan:
 Quote:
Originally posted by BJones:
 Quote:
Originally posted by Debussy20:
This is a waste of time.
Matthew, I just watched your youtube videos and after doing so find it proposterous that you would badmouth and criticize Disciples technique.
That does it. I've tried to avoid this damned silly thread, but alas it keeps coming up on the side bar. BJones, the great student of the even greater Disciple.

You truly follow in the steps of the "master" and have started taking self-satisfied pot shots at everyone in sight. Why don't you get a life, buddy, and stop wasting everybody's time.

You are a real pompous piece of work. [/b]
I didn't say I'm great. I'm good, not great. But I know my limitations. Do you have limitations? Or do you really think you're good enough to bash Disciples playing on a daily basis? I don't know of anyone who's ever heard him and walked away shaking their heads, "That dude is terrible, worst pianist I've ever heard". Only here have I heard that about his playing. Only here is everybodys playing unmatched.
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Some recent improvisations:

Cool School Chopin:

http://www.mediafire.com/?d1yc1mmitew

Improvisations:

http://www.box.net/shared/bjv6yc34oo

http://www.box.net/shared/8lmc3hzikl


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#1141341 - 02/26/08 08:36 AM Re: Disciple has been driven off
Piano*Dad Offline
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Registered: 04/12/05
Posts: 10422
Loc: Williamsburg, VA
Mr. Jones,

Just where did Matthew bad mouth Disciples technique?


Brendan, Ken, anybody?

Does this thread need to continue? It is now a platform for truly childish behavior and ego-pumping nonsense. I don't care if you love the guy or he disgusts you, it should be plain to the meanest intelligence that many (most?) of you are truly behaving down to the lowest common denominator the medium encourages. For instance: Hey btb, why do you continue to bait this guy by launching meaningless challenges written in your usual barely-decipherable pseudo-poetic (!) garble? So you think the guy can't play that stuff. Why? You've never presented a scintilla of evidence (other than said garble). And why do you have to drip sarcasm all over this forum. Posts like yours, coupled with Disciples' volcanic and immature responses make great theatre for you?
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#1141342 - 02/26/08 08:41 AM Re: Disciple has been driven off
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Registered: 05/26/01
Posts: 5331
Loc: McAllen, TX
Enough.[/b]

Take it to private messages or off the board completely.
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#1141343 - 02/26/08 08:42 AM Re: Disciple has been driven off
LaValse Offline
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Registered: 02/21/07
Posts: 1225
Loc: Mumbles, Wales
Hi BJones,

I admire your spirit in defending your teacher but you are doing so in a completely uninformed manner that is not doing him or you any good at all.

As far as I know everybody here agrees that Disciple is a very good pianist - it was just his manner that wound some people up. At which point he decided to 'throw out this toys' and post a series of personal attacks against a particular member - which is what got him banned. You need to get your facts right before slating everybody here in such a generic way.

And BTW, you do owe young Matt an apology. As he said, he's never communicated with Disciple, so you cannot justify finding it "proposterous that you [Matt] would badmouth and criticize Disciples technique" - since clearely he has not.

Oops, the "Enough" wasn't there when I posted; let me know if you want me to edit my msg away...
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#1141344 - 02/26/08 08:49 AM Re: Disciple has been driven off
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Posts: 13818
Loc: Iowa City, IA
Will a moderator please step up and do something. This is embarrassing. Six pages?
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