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#1147583 - 12/24/08 08:42 AM Re: Who is the most famous female composer?
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Well, if I had to name a handful of Australia's most famous composers, they would be Peter Sculthorpe, Ross Edwards, Carl Vine and alas, Elana Kats-Chernin (omg! a woman!! \:D I think currawong already mentioned her). So there you go, there ARE famous women composers with just as much substance as the men depending on which country you are in ;\)

I think the future will slowly correct this imbalance.

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#1147584 - 01/16/09 09:02 PM Re: Who is the most famous female composer?
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The main reason there are not as many women composing is the fact that it was perceived almost sinful for a women to engage in "men's business" and consider that in many countries, women were given the right to vote in 30's and 40's. That was just 70-80 years ago.

That is the reason there are not many women scientists, painters, politicians, philosophers etc. they were actively discouraged to anything besides cooking cleaning and giving birth. Still in some parts of the world women are murdered by their families simply because they do not do as the traditional values say.

Continuing in your line of logic, women are not capable of anything besides the traditional roles given to them.

Think of the word HIStory and you would understand why there are not as much important female figures in HIStory.

Also how did you came to a conclusion about brain so quickly? I find your post disturbing not because it is not politically correct but because it is extremely feeble. Please put some thought into something you would like to share with public.
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#1565072 - 11/27/10 09:54 AM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: swampwiz]
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May I suggest that if the women so warmly suggested by my fellow members were alive today they may be in awe of the likes of Carole Bayer Sager, Carole King, k d lang and Christina Agulerra. I offer only four names in the hopes of stirring the pot a bit. The list is huge - have to add Tracey Chapman - must stop and leave this open for others.

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#1565380 - 11/27/10 06:31 PM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: Kaapenaar]
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You do realise that this thread is over two years old? Many of the original participants are no longer posting, and those of us who are still here probably don't want any stirring of this pot. I certainly don't.

(But I don't want to be unwelcoming. smile Welcome.)
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#1565454 - 11/27/10 08:45 PM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: Kaapenaar]
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Originally Posted By: Kaapenaar
May I suggest that if the women so warmly suggested by my fellow members were alive today ...
btw, many of them are.
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#1566266 - 11/29/10 08:44 AM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: swampwiz]
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Barbara Pentland
Judith Schpect
Jean Coulthard

Fanny Mendelssohn-Hensel created the "song without words", which her weaselly brother appropriated.

Clara Schumann was a masterful composer in her own right.

Amy Marcy Beach- she was a famous and important American composer.


Edited by gsmonks (11/29/10 08:56 AM)

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#1566273 - 11/29/10 09:04 AM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: swampwiz]
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Edited by gsmonks (11/29/10 09:10 AM)

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#1566376 - 11/29/10 01:27 PM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: swampwiz]
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Here's Fanny Mendelssohn-Hensel's Oratorium nach Bildern der Bibel:

My favourite section is Trauerchoir at about the 6:00 mark of part 2. That and the finale.

(pt. 1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_wRH-tV1YY&feature=related

(pt. 2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtGdRfU1rrk

(pt. 3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ-DjsVGaJI&feature=related

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#1573175 - 12/09/10 07:24 AM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: swampwiz]
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The male brain is hard-wired to be more selective (to the exclusion of everything else), more focused on very narow subjects than the female brain. This also explains why the vast majority of autistic people are male. And more mathematicians, nuclear physicists etc. And more composers. Occupations like these probably suit those with pseudo-autistic/Asperger's tendencies.

And males have a wider range of abilities than females, i.e. the most competitive, the most intelligent, the most aggressive, as well as the most dumb - there's a wider range between the least good and the best in any male population for any given parameter than there is for a female population, even though the average/mean may be the same for both. Therefore when you're looking for the most gifted in any particular profession, it's likely to be a male.
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#1573278 - 12/09/10 11:02 AM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: swampwiz]
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Your point is? This is a thread about female composers.

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#1573291 - 12/09/10 11:23 AM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
...Therefore when you're looking for the most gifted in any particular profession, it's likely to be a male.
Excellent! I feel SO damn lucky to be a man then! laugh This brings my hopes up again! hahahahaha! (kidding of course... and +1 to what gsmonks said)
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#1573355 - 12/09/10 01:02 PM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: swampwiz]
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Forgive my oblique post earlier (I get carried away sometimes and forget that others may not be on my wavelength...), but my point is that there are zillions of composers out there but only a few make it to the top and become known. And because only the best become known, they're likely to be male. So that's why there are so 'few' female composers - because we only hear about the successful ones.
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#1573479 - 12/09/10 05:09 PM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
Forgive my oblique post earlier (I get carried away sometimes and forget that others may not be on my wavelength...), but my point is that there are zillions of composers out there but only a few make it to the top and become known. And because only the best become known, they're likely to be male. So that's why there are so 'few' female composers - because we only hear about the successful ones.


Ah, no, until fairly recently it was almost impossible for female composers to get anywhere in a misogynist world. Fanny Mendelssohn-Hensel became well-known despite attempts by her own family (including her own children) to dissuade her from writing music.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as they say. The number of female composers today is nearing that of men. Moreover, female composition students today make up 50% of the total number of students.

Thems is da facts.

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#1573787 - 12/10/10 05:39 AM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: gsmonks]
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Originally Posted By: gsmonks


Ah, no, until fairly recently it was almost impossible for female composers to get anywhere in a misogynist world. Fanny Mendelssohn-Hensel became well-known despite attempts by her own family (including her own children) to dissuade her from writing music.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating, as they say. The number of female composers today is nearing that of men. Moreover, female composition students today make up 50% of the total number of students.

Thems is da facts.


Amy Beach (aka 'Mrs H.A.A. Beach') was famous in USA and almost as well known in Britain, and had her Gaelic Symphony performed a lot on both sides of the Atlantic, more than many comparable symphonies written by male composers at the time. And Dame Ethel Smyth in Britain was just as famous. Both lived 100 years ago, but their reputations haven't survived the years. The days of Clara Schumann and Fanny Mendelssohn-Hensel were long gone even by then. Only Alma Mahler suffered for a time due to her marriage and sex.
I heard Beach's Gaelic Symphony recently, and have to say that I don't think it can compare with symphonies by William Schuman, Aaron Copland, Leonard Bernstein, Howard Hanson etc. Nor to Elgar, Walton or Vaughan Williams.
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#1573797 - 12/10/10 06:20 AM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: swampwiz]
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Listen,

We get it: Male are better than female for you. End of story. frown Can you get out of the thread and let it be about FEMALE composers rather than about such ideas you're attempting to spread without even a hint of backup, or evidence, please? frown
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#1573813 - 12/10/10 07:16 AM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: swampwiz]
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Why all this aggression? If you read my threads, you'll find I always explain why I came to the conclusions I came to, and my opinions are mine alone, which are distinct from facts. I never said female composers are worse than male, just that there are far fewer of them, and I gave my reasoning in detail. In fact, my favourite living composer is female, Kaija Saariaho.

But don't worry, I won't trouble you any further......
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#1573820 - 12/10/10 07:32 AM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: swampwiz]
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I don't think you've explained anything on the subject you're trying to bring up. And in either way, I think that the quote I quote on the top of the page (most gifted is most likely to be a male... female composers didn't hold for too long, etc), is quote evidently.

If all the other posts of yours from this thread were missing, and the one about Keija Saariaho was here, I think it would be tons better.

But again this is my opinion, and of course it's nothing even remotely close to a fact! smile
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#1573859 - 12/10/10 09:10 AM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: swampwiz]
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"Occupations like these probably suit those with pseudo-autistic/Asperger's tendencies. "

Okay I think I got your point. So who are the most famous autistic female composers laugh


Edited by wouter79 (12/10/10 09:10 AM)
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#1573868 - 12/10/10 09:18 AM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: swampwiz]
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If you go here
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Komponistinnen_gestern-heute

there is a list of contemporary female composers that won the K√ľnsterinnen preis.
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#1573869 - 12/10/10 09:18 AM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: swampwiz]
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#1573940 - 12/10/10 11:19 AM Re: Who is the most famous female composer? [Re: bennevis]
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Originally Posted By: bennevis
Why all this aggression? If you read my threads, you'll find I always explain why I came to the conclusions I came to, and my opinions are mine alone, which are distinct from facts. I never said female composers are worse than male, just that there are far fewer of them, and I gave my reasoning in detail. In fact, my favourite living composer is female, Kaija Saariaho.

But don't worry, I won't trouble you any further......


benevis, by stating earlier that men are better at everything than women, you indirectly said that female composers are worse than male. Moreover, you interjected this into a thread whose sole focus is women composers.

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