Welcome to the Piano World Piano Forums
Over 2 million posts about pianos, digital pianos, and all types of keyboard instruments
Join the World's Largest Community of Piano Lovers (it's free)
It's Fun to Play the Piano ... Please Pass It On!

Gifts and supplies for the musician

SEARCH
the Forums & Piano World

This custom search works much better than the built in one and allows searching older posts.
(ad) Yamaha CP4 Rebate
Yamaha CP4 Rebate
(ad) Pianoteq
(ad) Pearl River
Pearl River Pianos
(ad) P B Guide
Acoustic & Digital Piano Guide
(ad) Lindeblad Piano
Lindeblad Piano Restoration
Who's Online
122 registered (Anne'sson, Almaviva, augustm, AndyP, anamnesis, 35 invisible), 1486 Guests and 9 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
(ad) Estonia Piano
Estonia Pianos
Quick Links to Useful Piano & Music Resources
Our Classified Ads
Find Piano Professionals-

*Piano Dealers - Piano Stores
*Piano Tuners
*Piano Teachers
*Piano Movers
*Piano Restorations
*Piano Manufacturers
*Organs

Quick Links:
*Advertise On Piano World
*Free Piano Newsletter
*Online Piano Recitals
*Piano Recitals Index
*Piano & Music Accessories
*Music School Listings
* Buying a Piano
*Buying A Acoustic Piano
*Buying a Digital Piano
*Pianos for Sale
*Sell Your Piano
*How Old is My Piano?
*Piano Books
*Piano Art, Pictures, & Posters
*Directory/Site Map
*Contest
*Links
*Virtual Piano
*Music Word Search
*Piano Screen Saver
*Piano Videos
*Virtual Piano Chords
Topic Options
#1148201 - 02/16/09 02:39 PM Slurring in Vocals
agent3x Offline
Full Member

Registered: 05/24/08
Posts: 147
Loc: United States
I'm setting music to a short poem as an exercise. I'm working on the vocals right now, and I'm wondering if there are any rules about using slurs in vocal music. I've done a bit of research and looked over some vocal scores, but I haven't found anything conclusive.

Right now, I've only got slurs over notes that are sung in one syllable of a word. I don't know if I should put slurs over a whole phrase (three bars), or if that's too much legato to sing. Also, I've got a few octave jumps; is it hard to slur such a large interval?

Top
Piano & Music Acc. / Sheet Music


Sheet Music Plus Homepage
#1148202 - 02/16/09 03:14 PM Re: Slurring in Vocals
Larisa Offline
Full Member

Registered: 02/03/08
Posts: 498
Loc: Philadelphia
You might want to talk to a singer about both of these questions. The only thing about long phrases is that you want the singer to have enough breath to sing them with; otherwise, you'll end up with the singer turning blue and passing out, which is probably not the musical effect you want. \:\) Be very aware of where you want the singer to pause for breath, and whether you're giving them enough of an opportunity to breathe.

As for octave jumps - octaves are not very difficult intervals to sing, but be aware that it is a jump that can take you from one vocal register to another. How fast are these octave jumps? What is the melody doing immediately before and immediately after? Try singing it yourself, just to get a bit of a "feel" for how hard this is.

Good luck!

Top
#1148203 - 02/16/09 04:08 PM Re: Slurring in Vocals
jjtpiano Offline
Full Member

Registered: 06/19/08
Posts: 213
Loc: Jamestown, NC
When I write vocal parts I only slur notes that are sung on the same syllable, and only then if they are meant to be slurred and not repeated.

An example that would not be slurred would be if the singer were singing, "BA-A-A-BY," where the BA-A-A were three separate attacks for emphasis.

Pay attention to include rests (or commas in the text) where breaths may to be taken.

Depending on the speed of the piece, most singers can handle four measure phrases without a breath.

Take special care not to write whole notes in places where you don't really need to singer to hold out the entire note. You want to give her a place to breathe, so where you might have a whole note in a piano part, consider writing a dotted half note followed by a quarter rest so that she can prepare for the next phrase.
_________________________
Live Music Is Best

Top
#1148204 - 02/16/09 05:45 PM Re: Slurring in Vocals
Bob Newbie Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/02/06
Posts: 1555
Listen to some tracks by Ella Fitzgerald or Sarah Vaughn..

Top
#1148205 - 02/17/09 01:38 PM Re: Slurring in Vocals
Steve Chandler Offline
2000 Post Club Member

Registered: 02/18/05
Posts: 2840
Loc: Urbandale, Iowa
Slurs can be used to indicate what should be sung with a single breath. Of course one can also use commas and rests to indicate where a singer should breath. Slurs are an instrumental notation and aren't really used in vocal music. The only time they get used is when a single vowel is sung over multiple notes.

When I first saw the title of this thread I thought perhaps some singer had been drinking. That wouldn't be something you could fix in the mix.

Top
#1148206 - 02/19/09 05:11 PM Re: Slurring in Vocals
agent3x Offline
Full Member

Registered: 05/24/08
Posts: 147
Loc: United States
Thanks for the advice. I decided to just use slurs where there was a syllable sung over multiple notes. I'd forgotten to indicate where it is appropriate to take a breath, so I added those. Also, that was a good tip about not holding notes longer than they need to be held; I shortened some of the longer notes.

As for the singing it myself... lamentably, I cannot sing! Not well, anyway. But my composition class sang it, and I didn't get complaints from any of the singers, so I think the octave jumps work fine.

Top

Moderator:  Piano World 
Shop our Store for Music Lovers!
PianoSupplies.com is Piano World's Online Store
Please visit our store today.
circle of 5ths coaster
(ad 125) Sweetwater - Digital Keyboards & Other Gear
Digital Pianos at Sweetwater
(ad) Hal Leonard Teacher VIP
Hal Leonard Teacher VIP Your Source for Piano Music
Ad (Seiler/Knabe)
Seiler Pianos
(125ad) Dampp Chaser
Dampp Chaser Piano Life Saver
New Topics - Multiple Forums
Notice Hiromi's jazz ballad meter(s) ?
by rintincop
04/01/15 10:52 PM
Need serious help deciding DGX650 or P115?
by jaketanner
04/01/15 10:25 PM
Piano pedal extender help
by metcarl
04/01/15 10:04 PM
Piano Pedal Extender Help
by metcarl
04/01/15 07:03 PM
Yamaha + Roland working together?
by PianoManChuck
04/01/15 06:57 PM
What's Hot!!
Trade Regrets: Gary Trafton - Piano Rep
--------------------
Historic Piano Documents
--------------------
Posting Pictures on the Forums
-------------------
Forums Rules & Help
-------------------
ADVERTISE
on Piano World

The world's most popular piano web site.
-------------------
PIANO BOOKS
Forum Stats
78,741 Registered Members
43 Forums
162,924 Topics
2,391,343 Posts

Most users ever online: 15,252 @ 03/21/10 11:39 PM
Sheet Music Plus (125)
Sheet Music Plus Featured Sale

Visit our online store for gifts for music lovers

 
Help keep the forums up and running with a donation, any amount is appreciated!
Or by becoming a Subscribing member! Thank-you.
Donate   Subscribe
 
Our Piano Related Classified Ads
|
Dealers | Tuners | Lessons | Movers | Restorations | Pianos For Sale | Sell Your Piano |

Advertise on Piano World
| Subscribe | Piano World | PianoSupplies.com | Advertise on Piano World | Donate | Link to Us | Classifieds |
| |Contact | Privacy | Legal | About Us | Site Map | Free Newsletter | Press Room |


copyright 1997 - 2015 Piano World ® all rights reserved
No part of this site may be reproduced without prior written permission