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#1148693 - 01/22/06 09:59 PM What are you currently composing?
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Without necessarily having to post a score or a recording, what kind of compositions are you currently working on? For example, style, what instruments, etc., etc.

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#1148694 - 01/23/06 12:07 AM Re: What are you currently composing?
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I just found this, having recently experienced the greatest musical loss of my composing career. I was writing in Finale (a free copy, so I can't save progress...this will be important to know later), and just today finished the first-movement cadenza for a piano concerto I was writing when Finale crashed and I lost the entire concerto. I have an .mp3 of the first 6:30 of the movement, which starts the cadenza, but lost the cadenza itself. I have no copy of the score (which was at 28 pages when Finale crashed). Normally, I copy the pages into Microsoft Paint by "print-screening" them and pasting them into Paint. It usually takes about 8 screens per page of music, so it would've taken me several hours to transfer the 28 pages. I was waiting to finish the movement (which probably would've been another 3 minutes or so of music as it returned to the main theme and then ended), and then ended. But now I have nothing.

Since I will probably give up on it now, I am not afraid to post a recording of what I had written, since it is likely that I will now never finish it (I have no way to recover the notes except to take several months and do it by ear, which is a painstaking process I do not have time for since composing is not my profession).

Where are the medications from the "Pianist Corner" when I need them? *cries*


Piano Concerto No 2 in Dm...all that remains of it *places flowers next to the link* You weren't the best, but you were mine. \:\(
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#1148695 - 01/23/06 12:18 AM Re: What are you currently composing?
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I've been working on a little piano ditty in D (dorian). I have an unnatural facination with chord progressions that involve D minor and F Major.

I'm not really experienced enough to be able to tell you what kind of style it is... I'd love for somebody to be able to tell me what my style sounds like to them.

I compose for piano only (for now, I hope to someday compose for ensembles). Here are my favorite artists, and what I like them for:

Tori Amos (composition & performance)
Rachmaninov (composition)
Pablo Casals (performance).

I suppose my style is influenced by these guys.
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#1148696 - 01/23/06 12:31 AM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Wow, Derulux.

I like the section that starts at exactly 1:00, (loud, heavy piano) and goes through the the pretty melody with the frenzied piano arpeggios. (approx) 1:57.

I LOVE the heavy piano part at 3:20. GORGEOUS! I wish I had heard this before my previous post... that part is very reminiscent of my boy, Rach. I felt a flutter in my heart at that part.
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#1148697 - 01/23/06 12:39 AM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Thank you! \:\) I think you would've really loved the cadenza...even better than the "mini" you liked at 3:20. ;\) I borrowed largely from Rachmaninoff and Liszt for the movement, but threw a few "honorable mentions" (Beethoven, Grieg, and Balakirev to name a few) in as well. The cadenza itself was definitely Rachmaninoff (particularly the 3rd piano concerto, but with my own personal touch and a little idea from Balakirev).

I wish I could convert the .mp3 to midi...then I could get the notes back...but as it stands, I just can't spend the time to listen to it and get all those notes back. I've been writing the damn thing for the last 2-3 weeks, some days spending 4-5 hours just to put in the notes I heard in a 5-minute span...and it'd take even longer to go through and re-do it. \:\(

I would've liked to play it one day, with an orchestra and everything...it would've sounded better. But I'm glad you liked it anyway. \:\)
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#1148698 - 01/23/06 02:30 AM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Derulux, i like your composition which sounds quite exciting i feel and little bit like Rach also, but not too trivial at all to say the least. the point is that it's composed with melodic themes which modern/current music compositions usually deliberately avoid rather to go with sound 'painting'.

i just heard a new piano concerto a short time ago by a French composer Marc-André Dalbavie who wrote this concerto for pianist Leif Ove Andsnes who played it in the concert i went. but after listening to their talks about the composition and heard the whole thing, i felt cheated in some way, because it's like music of self-indulgence for the composer and even the pianist (perhaps), which only sound meaningful and genius to them but everyone else who listened to it would careless. there's no melody but scale and chord passages in it, which sounds clever maybe but i doubt anyone in the concert hall can relate or connect to the music. i myself wouldn't want to hear it again! i guess that's the tragedy of modern music: nobody cares to listen to except composers themselves and music professors perhaps...

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#1148699 - 01/23/06 05:07 AM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Hi Sara and everyone. This is my first visit to Piano World. It looks like a great place to share our love of music.

I compose for solo piano. I also compose songs(I enjoy this very much). And then I have a large collection of "odds & ends" (variations on Christmas songs, thriller tracks, electronic tracks, etc.).

Anyway, my style has been influenced by many of the great composers, however I'd like to think there's some of me in my compositions also.

Here's one of my piano compositions. I hope you enjoy it.

"Girl From Nowhere"
http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~johnny-boy/Girl%20From%20Nowhere.mp3

Best, John
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#1148700 - 01/23/06 07:42 AM Re: What are you currently composing?
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signa[/b]-
Thank you. Yes, I am part of the group who just can't stand that "painting" stuff. Smearing colors on a canvas does not make me want to look...in the end, if there is nothing for me to hold on to, to remember, some image that is the work, then I will not care. I feel the same way about music. So when I write, there is almost always a discernible melody...something to grab onto and "see", something to remember it by. And thank you again. \:\)

Johnny[/b]- That was a nice piece. I think it leans more towards "easy listening", but I'm not the greatest at classifying things (and in many cases, things shouldn't be classified), so I'll stick to "music" without classification. However, I would like to know more about what you feel your style is, because that is probably more relevant to understanding your work than what I feel it is. ;\)
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#1148701 - 01/23/06 10:59 AM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Thanks for listening Derulux. I appreciate your comments.

I don’t have any interest in classifying my music. Music to me is pure emotion. If that emotion can be conveyed in a coherent structure it becomes serious music.

I guess if I were pinned down I’d call this piece “serious popular music” in the “Romantic Era” fashion.

Easy listening? I hope that it is easy to listen to. I don’t think complexity in music is anymore noteworthy than simplicity. If it grabs the listener’s emotions then I’m delighted.

Best, John
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#1148702 - 01/23/06 11:37 AM Re: What are you currently composing?
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 Quote:
Originally posted by sarabande:
Without necessarily having to post a score or a recording, what kind of compositions are you currently working on? For example, style, what instruments, etc., etc. [/b]
I'm working on:
two new-agish sounding piano solos,
one rock song with a vocal, 2 guitars, synth, bass, and drums
two commercial country pieces, one for a man, one for a woman, both with the usual backup

Of course, it seems like this forum is oriented towards classical piano but I thought I'd show that some of us are into more than one genre.

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#1148703 - 01/23/06 12:36 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Hi Hugo,

I also enjoy composing in more than one genre. Good music exists in many styles of music.

I enjoy composing popular songs as well as piano rags, electronic music, and even classical (serious) music.

I can enjoy listening to John Williams as well as Rachmaninoff. I love music too much to contain myself in one small corner of the music world. I want it all!

I’ve been enjoying composing songs with lyricist Cal Francis DiFalco in Canada (thank God for the Internet).

I like to think I maintain the same quality in my popular music as I do in serious music.

Here’s a popular song Cal and I composed last week. I’ve been told by several people that there’s the element of tragedy in everything I compose. They may be right.

“The One”
Lyrics: Cal Francis DiFalco
Sung by Kerie Geni
http://www.artistcollaboration.com/~johnny-boy/THE%20ONE.mp3

I'd like to hear your piano solos Hugo.

Best, John
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#1148704 - 01/23/06 02:00 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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To tell you the truth all, I haven't composed much if anything for quite some time but am just starting to get back into it. I wrote a few little things from about 16 on mostly pop style with lyrics, most Contemporary Christian and praise and worship style. Then I went to college and got a B.A. is Music primarly because I always wanted to go into music from the beginning at 18 and ended up studying in another field (fashion design :rolleyes: - I know nothing about fashion now and don't ask me why I got into that because everyone convinced me there was no money in music - as if there is in fashion design, but may have done half-way decent had I stayed in it). Anyway, I quit after two years to get married, then when we moved to where their was a nearby college, I jumped into their degree program. I wanted to write music for a hobby and teach piano as supplemental income and realized a lot of my other degree work fit better into a B.A. I took about 3 composition classes while there although I think the theory, history and literature, form and analysis all aid more in composing than the composition classes so I should have taken more of the other. I composed a few things while in college. Then went to work full-time, then became a stay-at-home mom with not as much time for my music, and now that kids are getting a little older, I'm finding more time for music so that puts my up to now where I'm getting back into trying my hand at composing. Reading what all of you have to say and are doing gives me more motivation and inspiration to compose.

Derulux, sorry to hear about your computer/composition troubles - what a big time bummer!!! Perhaps eventually you will try to pick the piece back up and reconstruct it little by little. It is still all written and recorded in your head. I haven't listened to it as of yet, but it sounds interesting. Wow - you seem to be a decent pianist, composer, writer all rolled into one - amazing talents!

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#1148705 - 01/23/06 02:05 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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ps - hugo, I always got a sense that there was a good mix of composing styles here. I like to dip my feet in a variety of styles. I like to write melodies with lyrics in kind of a pop style and then also some classical. I'm awed at those who are able to cover the spectrum of styles rather than being confined into one.

Johnny-Boy: Welcome by the way! I'm fairly new myself just been here for a few months.

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#1148706 - 01/23/06 02:32 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Thanks for the welcome Sara.

Composing comes from the "heart". From reading your posts I know you have the heart and heartfelt desire. Let your emotions guide you. I'm sure you'll compose some wonderful pieces. I hope you share them with us here.

Best, John
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#1148707 - 01/23/06 02:59 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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No compositions, just heaps of recordings of improvisations. They contain hundreds of things which suggest compositions but, as usual, I can't be bothered writing anything out. After hearing what happened to Derulux I'm very thankful none of my creative processes depend on computers. As it is I keep all my improvisations in at least three different forms - tape, audio CD and mp3 - with multiple copies of each in different places.
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#1148708 - 01/23/06 03:12 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Ted,

I have great admiration for those who are good at improv. since I'm not. Perhaps if I took the time to practice at it more. Well, I know who to ask if I ever have a question on it. Have you posted a recording somewhere on the forums? I'd be interested to hear one. I posted once that I don't usually listen to posted recordings but that I may change my tune sometime. I guess I'll have to since you all have posted some recordings - got my curiosity up.

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#1148709 - 01/23/06 03:21 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Finished
- 5 Romantic Pieces

Finishing this week
- La Suite du Petit Prince (Impressionist)

Finshing this term
- Variations on a Theme by Clara Schumann
- Piano Concerto No.1 in Eb minor
- Doppelganger Quintet for Flute, Guitar, Harp, Piano, and Double Bass or Cello
- Electroacoustic Choral Vocalises (the 1st one experiments with formant shifts!)

Planned for the rest of Undergrad
- Orchestrating the Concerto and Suite
- A full Mass to apply study of 15th Century counterpoint
- A full Requiem to apply study of 18th Century counterpoint
- Many more works, many involving piano, and many further integrating electronic and acoustic music such that they become indistinguishable from one another (I firmly believe this to be the future of music in the 21st century).

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#1148710 - 01/23/06 03:25 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Hey Sara,

I've been downloading MP3 and WMA files from sites like these for quite awhile. I've never gotten a virus.

I have gotten viruses in my email though. Norton has always taken care of them.

The risk on sites like this is minimal. Just keep all your security updated.

Best, John
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#1148711 - 01/23/06 03:30 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Sarabande:

I enjoy it. Whether or not I'm "good at it" is a matter of opinion.

The odd few improvisations, and a motley assortment of my pieces, are posted in the Audition Room at a forum called Pianostreet

Audition Room

However, I have posted fewer lately as little interest has been forthcoming, so you might need to page backwards to find my stuff. I post under the name "ted" there too.
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#1148712 - 01/23/06 03:31 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Sounds like you're going to be very busy kcoul058. It's a great feeling having a lot of work ahead of you.

I compose everyday but I'm still always several projects behind. I'll only worry when I start running out of work.

Best, John
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#1148713 - 01/23/06 05:57 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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OK, I'm going to try to listen to everyone's work in this thread little by little. It may take me a while to get to them all.

So far, Derulux, what can I say, wonderful! I didn't get tired of listening to it and the whole time was left wondering what's coming next. Maybe you don't feel like it right away but sometime you should really try to piece it back together or use the ideas in a new work. I'm not typically a huge concerto fan as I'd rather hear solo piano or orchestra without piano but I did particularly like your work.

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#1148714 - 01/23/06 08:14 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Thank you, sara! \:\) I may yet get back to it someday...but it's definitely on hold now for at least a year or two (or, at least, the first two movements are...I may jump to the third movement and start the finale, but probably not...I think I'm going to take a break from composing and go back to writing for a few weeks/months and really try to get my novel done so I can send it out). Thanks for the encouragement, though. \:D
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#1148715 - 01/24/06 12:39 AM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Johnny,
Nice stuff you've done. I've just begun dipping my toes in the waters of Collaboration Central lately. For collaboration I prefer to do lyrics rather than offer my rather poor-in-comparison talents on the piano. There's not much room there for just lyrics (and sometimes melodies), however, so I'm still watching more than participating. It's nice to hear such superb results in your pieces.
Once I get my solos recorded well I'll post a couple for folks to comment on.
-Hugo

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#1148716 - 01/24/06 05:26 AM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Thanks Hugo

Collaboration Central is a great place. I'll look forward in hearing your work.

Best, John
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#1148717 - 01/24/06 07:43 AM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Good grief, Derulux, I sure hope you have a version of word processing software that allows you to save your work! \:D
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#1148718 - 01/24/06 09:55 AM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Originally posted by ncsteff:
Good grief, Derulux, I sure hope you have a version of word processing software that allows you to save your work! \:D [/b]
The concerto took me about 9-10 days to get to what you heard, working anywhere from 20 minutes all the way up to five hours. I honestly could've done it in an afternoon's time if I could have plugged the notes in faster.

My writing, on the other hand, particularly this first novel of mine, is currently 8 years in the making. I wrote it once. Trashed it. Wrote it again. Trashed it. Wrote it again. Liked it. Started editing. Rewrote five chapters (and I have two more to go). Will continue to edit. Each one of those complete rewrites was over 100,000 words. The novel currently stands at 154,000 words (think "Fellowship of the Ring"), but will probably be a little longer than that when I finish rewriting those other two chapters. All of this on top of the 200+ pages of handwritten background notes on the world and characters, sketches, maps, loose papers of "ideas", geneaology tables, war progression charts, and the 400,000 words or so I have written from the other books in the series.....

There's NO WAY I'm starting that project over. The world will have to end before I lose all of the information/backups of this project. I've made it as certain as possible that I will not lose it. (I save it obsessively when I type...every 20 words or so. :p )

So bearing all that in mind, my writing is saved on my computer, on my parents' computer, on my sister's computer, and on my best friend's computer. They all have different operating systems in case of a random "Y-2xxx-K Crash" or other programming error. I have 3 CD backups in different locations (in different states). I keep seven hardcopies, three of which are in lock-deposit boxes in different countries, in case of a U.S. overthrow, a military coup, or a run on the banks. (One of them is stored safely next to the final chapter of Rowling's "Harry Potter" series.) I also have six jump-drives with stored information, one of which I keep at a lake house in Canada, one is buried in the desert in Nevada (next to Jimmy Hoffa), and one is at the bottom of a tequila bottle in Mexico. The other three are "unmentionables", and therefore, will not publicly be acknowledged. :p
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#1148719 - 01/24/06 02:17 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Derulux, I forgot to add on your composition that it is obvious you are good at story-telling and writing as your music was full of suspense, keep you on the edge of your seat, wonder what's going to happen next and where it's headed, suspense followed by calm, just like a good book.

Wish you the best on your book.

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#1148720 - 01/24/06 08:50 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Originally posted by sarabande:
Derulux, I forgot to add on your composition that it is obvious you are good at story-telling and writing as your music was full of suspense, keep you on the edge of your seat, wonder what's going to happen next and where it's headed, suspense followed by calm, just like a good book.

Wish you the best on your book. [/b]
Thanks, sara! \:\) I actually think I'm going to go write a little bit right now...while I have the idea and the time. ;\)
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#1148721 - 01/26/06 01:48 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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Originally posted by signa:
Derulux, i like your composition which sounds quite exciting i feel and little bit like Rach also, but not too trivial at all to say the least. the point is that it's composed with melodic themes which modern/current music compositions usually deliberately avoid rather to go with sound 'painting'.

i just heard a new piano concerto a short time ago by a French composer Marc-André Dalbavie who wrote this concerto for pianist Leif Ove Andsnes who played it in the concert i went. but after listening to their talks about the composition and heard the whole thing, i felt cheated in some way, because it's like music of self-indulgence for the composer and even the pianist (perhaps), which only sound meaningful and genius to them but everyone else who listened to it would careless. there's no melody but scale and chord passages in it, which sounds clever maybe but i doubt anyone in the concert hall can relate or connect to the music. i myself wouldn't want to hear it again! i guess that's the tragedy of modern music: nobody cares to listen to except composers themselves and music professors perhaps... [/b]
Boy is this a close minded statement. The tragedy is that you think good music is simply a matter of a good sounding melody a bunch of chords and arpeggios. But A) what's a good melody differs person to person and B) music was and is never about that.

Music is simply about expression, communication via sound...organized sound. We can be moved by many different sounds just like we can be moved by many different sights and smells and tastes. Rhythm, balance, harmonie, structure, energy, timbre...so many different things can go into making a piece moving.

Is dissonance ugly? can be. Is the world ugly...you bet.
Is dissonance beautiful?...God yes, some of the most beautiful moments in music are dissonant, beautiful dissonance.

Is a lack of melody a good thing? It is a nessasary thing, why? cause to much melody becomes trite, it loses it's appeal. Do we as humans always communicate using words and sentences and phrases. No. We cry, we shout, we whisper, we gesture, we wink, we nod, we shun...music needs these things as well. Can you have an entire piece with no melody and have it still be emotional? Absolutley, it all depends on how the sound is used.

But to completley blow off modern music because it uses different ways of communication is as ignorant and as close minded as to say we should all communicate using grammatically perfect english language. Neglecting all other forms of communication and languages.

Self-indulgent to the composer? You bet, I hope all composers are self-indulgent...and pianists too. Every musician should be self-indulgent. Say what you want, love it, have it mean something special to you and if it does it will show itself. That is if you are being honest. The best composers in history were self-indulgent in their writings. All of them. Beethoven, Mozart, Liszt, Chopin, Bach, Wagner, Mahler, Prokofiev, Shoenberg, Rachmaninoff...they all wrote for themselves, they were all self-indulgent. Prokofiev loved it when people walked out. Let em walk out.

To say their is only one beautiful style to write in or to try to define beauty in anyway would be the single biggest tragedy in music. Thank God it doesn't work that way.

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#1148722 - 01/26/06 03:40 PM Re: What are you currently composing?
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snap-apple,

I noticed you have been a member since 2003 and haven't noticed you in the discussions in this forum since I have joined. - Hope to see you as a regular participator more often. I agree to some extent that not all music is a matter of melody and harmony. On the other hand, I have heard time after time things "composers" have written (mostly novices) that are nothing but harmony with varied rhythm and have no melody or theme at all. This was basic lesson #1 in a 300 level composition course I took not to write simply harmony. I saw a student in the class writing beautiful harmony better while I wrote nice melodies but didn't know much how to harmonize. He got blasted from the instructor time after time for writing nothing but harmony while I was rarely blasted for my nice melodic pieces with attempts at harmony when I knew nothing about how to add anything else. Of course as you said, there is more to writing music than melody with bass line harmony, but it is a great place to start when one is first trying to compose and has no idea how to get started and like me not really have a good ear for what sounds good just fooling around on the keys.

I kind of am not quite sure what you or signa are saying and I kind of misread both of your posts so mine doesn't make sense in connection with what you are saying. Durulex music doesn't sound at all modern while you seem to be defending the sounds of modern music as more than melody and harmony.

At any rate, I wonder why you came out of nowhere to attack someone else's view who is a regular in the forum when you have not been here regularly all along.

I hope to see you in the forum more often.

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