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#1152044 - 10/23/08 10:07 AM
Question about using finale
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Registered: 09/21/08
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Hey, I just started trying to use this finale print music thing yesterday, and I' having trouble with getting there to be different voices on a stave For example, if I have a D quarter note on the bass clef, and want to put an A eighth note above it, as a separate voice, usually what will happen is the D turns into an eighth note and no A even shows up. Or, the A shows up as an eighth note, with the D turning into an eighth note. Or sometimes, it doens't even let me add a new voice to the staff.
So my question is, how do I get the program to know that I'm working on different voices in the staff?
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#1152046 - 10/23/08 10:46 AM
Re: Question about using finale
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Wow thanks! What a great help!
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#1152047 - 10/23/08 10:49 AM
Re: Question about using finale
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Yep, as Morodiene said, use layers. Regarding the fact that each layer must have a full measure's worth of notes, you can hide notes/rests if you don't want them to show. For instance, if you are in 4/4 time, but you only need a second layer for half of the measure, you can notate the 2 beats of music, then notate a half-rest for the remainder of the measure, and then hide that half-rest so that it won't show when you print.
I've done this on the full version of Finale - I assume that PrintMusic probably has the same or comparable functionality.
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#1152048 - 10/23/08 10:58 AM
Re: Question about using finale
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I have another question. FOr some reason, all the notes in a certain layer turn red, and I can't select a single note and change its pitch, or delete any note. HOw come? How can I go back to being able to delete/ change pitch?
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#1152049 - 10/23/08 01:04 PM
Re: Question about using finale
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Registered: 02/18/05
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They are red to indicate they're a separate layer. I haven't actually tried printing on a color printer to see if they actually print out in a different color. You'll notice layer three is green and layer 4 is blue. I discovered that before I discovered that you can write in up to 4 layers in each stave.
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#1152051 - 10/23/08 01:56 PM
Re: Question about using finale
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Here's another question. Sometimes when it automatically fills in the rest of a measure with rests, I have trouble replacing that with notes. I can do that when the notes turn purple, but I can't get that to happen sometimes with the rests. How do I replace the rests with notes? Also, once I had triplet quarter notes, and I had two of the triplet in, but it would not let me place the third note of the triplet! How come?
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#1152052 - 10/23/08 02:03 PM
Re: Question about using finale
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Originally posted by Morodiene:  You have to have the correct layer selected. If you are in layer 1, you cannot change notes in layer 2. Simply select layer 2 and you'll be able to make your changes. 8tude: how to you hide a note? The only way I've been able to do this is to click on the % and make it 0%. It works, but I'm not sure it's the right way. I've seen where you can hide notes, but it will hide all the notes in that measure. [/b] With the note selected, press "H" to hide a note.
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#1152053 - 10/23/08 02:06 PM
Re: Question about using finale
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Originally posted by The 3rd Heat: Here's another question. Sometimes when it automatically fills in the rest of a measure with rests, I have trouble replacing that with notes. I can do that when the notes turn purple, but I can't get that to happen sometimes with the rests. How do I replace the rests with notes? Also, once I had triplet quarter notes, and I had two of the triplet in, but it would not let me place the third note of the triplet! How come? [/b] This seems to be one of the more finicky aspects of Finale - notating tuplets at the end of a measure. When I have to do this, I notate the tuplets first, ensuring that there are enough beats to handle the entry of the notes with their "full" values. Once the notes are in, then use the tuplet tool to make them triplets or whatever, and then add in your remaining notes. If that doesn't work, you can temporarily change the meter of that measure to give it lots more space to work with. Add your tuplets, then change the meter back and delete any unwanted notes. Something tells me there's an easier way to do this, though - poke around your documentation on the tuplet tool and see if they have other recommendations.
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#1152054 - 10/23/08 03:27 PM
Re: Question about using finale
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Registered: 04/06/07
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Loc: Boynton Beach, FL
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Originally posted by 8ude: Originally posted by The 3rd Heat: Here's another question. Sometimes when it automatically fills in the rest of a measure with rests, I have trouble replacing that with notes. I can do that when the notes turn purple, but I can't get that to happen sometimes with the rests. How do I replace the rests with notes? Also, once I had triplet quarter notes, and I had two of the triplet in, but it would not let me place the third note of the triplet! How come? [/b] This seems to be one of the more finicky aspects of Finale - notating tuplets at the end of a measure. When I have to do this, I notate the tuplets first, ensuring that there are enough beats to handle the entry of the notes with their "full" values. Once the notes are in, then use the tuplet tool to make them triplets or whatever, and then add in your remaining notes. If that doesn't work, you can temporarily change the meter of that measure to give it lots more space to work with. Add your tuplets, then change the meter back and delete any unwanted notes. Something tells me there's an easier way to do this, though - poke around your documentation on the tuplet tool and see if they have other recommendations. [/b] I think you're better off doing the measure out of order...make your triplet first, and then fill in the other notes. There is a way in Finale (I knew where to find it in 07, but 08 is totally different so I can't find it now!). If I figure out another way I'll post.
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#1152055 - 10/25/08 06:40 PM
Re: Question about using finale
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Registered: 10/25/08
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Loc: Munich, Germany
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I can offer some insights from the experience of Finale 2006, although I have no idea how much different the later versions are! If you use SpeedyEntry, the shortcut for the tuplet is CTRL+[tuplet number] (at least it is for Finale 2006!!) So if you want a triplet of crotchets then it's CTRL+3 followed by hitting 5 three times. SpeedyEntry is probably the fastest and less painful way to enter tuplets at the end of the bar. Alternatively, Morodiene is right: do it the other way round. If you use Simple Entry tool, then usually clicking the entry before another entry will do the insertion. If you use SpeedyEntry, the INSERT key will work. I hope this has some application! Best of luck anyway 
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#1152056 - 10/25/08 07:28 PM
Re: Question about using finale
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Registered: 08/30/08
Posts: 3447
Loc: South Florida
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Originally posted by 8ude: Originally posted by The 3rd Heat: Here's another question. Sometimes when it automatically fills in the rest of a measure with rests, I have trouble replacing that with notes. I can do that when the notes turn purple, but I can't get that to happen sometimes with the rests. How do I replace the rests with notes? Also, once I had triplet quarter notes, and I had two of the triplet in, but it would not let me place the third note of the triplet! How come? [/b] This seems to be one of the more finicky aspects of Finale - notating tuplets at the end of a measure. When I have to do this, I notate the tuplets first, ensuring that there are enough beats to handle the entry of the notes with their "full" values. Once the notes are in, then use the tuplet tool to make them triplets or whatever, and then add in your remaining notes. If that doesn't work, you can temporarily change the meter of that measure to give it lots more space to work with. Add your tuplets, then change the meter back and delete any unwanted notes. Something tells me there's an easier way to do this, though - poke around your documentation on the tuplet tool and see if they have other recommendations. [/b] Far easier: For eighth note triplets, for example… Write 8, 16, 16. In fact, you can do whole measures this way. Define triple on first note. Change 16ths to eighths. I spend half my life in Finale. There are many ways to deal with triplets.
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#1152057 - 10/28/08 11:42 PM
Re: Question about using finale
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Hey, how do I add more measures to the end of a piece?
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#1152058 - 10/28/08 11:46 PM
Re: Question about using finale
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Registered: 01/21/04
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Set into the Measure-Tool
Pull down the "Measure" menu
Select "Add..."
Have you tried the help feature that comes with Finale? I don't know about PrintMusic, but I find Finale's PDF help to be quite useful and you can usually find what you're looking for pretty quickly. I would assume PrintMusic is no different.
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#1152059 - 10/29/08 02:16 PM
Re: Question about using finale
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Registered: 06/19/08
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Finale has an excellent help desk. Call (952) 937-9703 during business hours.
They've always answered questions such as these over the phone.
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