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#1160634 - 03/10/09 10:59 AM
Re: Rachmaninoff Op.23 No.5
[Re: Piano*Dad]
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Playing the wrong notes should always be avoided. This piece is not very simple, you have to think over the fingering twice or trice to find the most comfortable solution, and then play it at a very slow tempo
I think it is better to work the tension out with separate exercises, where you have no problem with hitting the right notes, than to use the prelude as an exercise for improving your lacking technique.
But Op 23 No 5 is not an extremely fast piece, and chords are, with few exceptions, not repeated many times.
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#1160687 - 03/10/09 01:17 PM
Re: Rachmaninoff Op.23 No.5
[Re: Arghhh]
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I don't know the piece, but if by repeated chords you mean a chord repeated quickly on the same notes, [...] Choose two or three slightly different locations on the keys, towards or away from you. I don't think, in the context of this piece, that this is a solution that would work. Finding "different locations" on the keys means an extra motion that could possibly increase tension rather than reduce it. A loose but controlled wrist seems to me to be the better solution Regards,
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#1160715 - 03/10/09 02:36 PM
Re: Rachmaninoff Op.23 No.5
[Re: Jan-Erik]
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Playing the wrong notes should always be avoided. This piece is not very simple, you have to think over the fingering twice or trice to find the most comfortable solution, and then play it at a very slow tempo
I think it is better to work the tension out with separate exercises, where you have no problem with hitting the right notes, than to use the prelude as an exercise for improving your lacking technique. I'm sure you know better than the music professors.  Well, it sure worked for him. Technique improved and the piece was mastered, all simultaneously. Voila. The 'dropping in' exercises were independent of this particular piece. They were worked using any particular chord pattern one chose, and one could choose chord structures of this piece or plain old I chords in any position. Getting the right notes was indeed the goal, but not the only goal, and not the first goal. The first goal was developing a relaxed approach to striking large chords, singularly and in repeated patterns.
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#1161053 - 03/11/09 02:42 AM
Re: Rachmaninoff Op.23 No.5
[Re: BruceD]
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I don't know the piece, but if by repeated chords you mean a chord repeated quickly on the same notes, [...] Choose two or three slightly different locations on the keys, towards or away from you. I don't think, in the context of this piece, that this is a solution that would work. Finding "different locations" on the keys means an extra motion that could possibly increase tension rather than reduce it. A loose but controlled wrist seems to me to be the better solution Regards, I guess I should clarify that the slightly is very slight - like millimeters/fractions of an inch, and it is not going for specific locations on the keys. It's more like letting your hand be free to move than thinking "I'm going to put my hand _here_".
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#1161072 - 03/11/09 06:06 AM
Re: Rachmaninoff Op.23 No.5
[Re: Larisa]
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Is there any specific measure you are talking about or just the whole chordal rythymic technique? I have approached it by first establishing the optimum fingering of chords, second getting a feel for those rythmic clusters. For the rapid repeated chords have you tried as Piano Dad suggests? You could hold one simple chord under your fingers and then use your shoulder and forearm to play. Perhaps your fingering insecurity is making your shoulders tense. I often find that myself and it is then not possible to play rythmically.
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