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#117466 - 02/19/02 02:53 PM Re: King of the Hill
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Nici,
Thanks for the education on the piano market in Germany.

Larry--how does this differ from how things work in the U.S., if at all? And how do you account for the concentration of great makers all in one place. Wouldn't it be great if we had that kind of market here?
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#117467 - 02/19/02 03:04 PM Re: King of the Hill
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Pique, don't ever let me play your Grotrian. I think it would cause a major crisis for me if what you say is true!!! I loved that 7ft. Grotrian!!! I didn't sense any problems with the break in the 7ft. If yours is better, look out!!!

The price I ended up getting on my "B" was significantly less than what I would have paid for the Grotrian. That was pretty much the deciding factor as to why I didn't pursue it much further. (I also love a good "B"!) I've never seen a Grotrian in a recording studio, but I'll bet they record VERY well.
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#117468 - 02/19/02 04:18 PM Re: King of the Hill
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steve,
if you are interested in recordings of grotrians, the manufacturer in germany has free demo recordings (the narration is in german, however). if you go to their web site and email them your address, they will send you one.

well, now you know the reason i steered you to beethoven's when you first posted that you were looking in the ny metro area. i thought from your tastes that you might like that piano.

i'm sure your B is wonderful. the good ones truly are. i don't remember how much beethoven's was asking for the 7' grotrian, but if you got a B for less than that, and it inspires you as you say, you did very well.

of course, you are welcome to come out to the rockies and play my grotrian any time!
\:D \:D \:D

[ February 19, 2002: Message edited by: pique ]
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#117469 - 02/19/02 04:35 PM Re: King of the Hill
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I don't want to hear other people recording on a Grotrian. I want to hear ME recorded on a Grotrian. (It's more fun that way)
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#117470 - 02/19/02 09:38 PM Re: King of the Hill
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 Quote:
Originally posted by SR:
Anybody know an address of a good piano discussion forum ?

Steve[/b]


This one is a great one, but now that you mention it - there does just happen to be a brand new one!! To get there, click on the link to my website below, then click on "messageboard". I think everyone will be surprised!
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#117471 - 02/20/02 02:54 AM Re: King of the Hill
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68% of all statistics are made up.
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#117472 - 02/20/02 03:07 AM Re: King of the Hill
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 Quote:
Originally posted by Shadorunnr:
68% of all statistics are made up.[/b]


Well then, by logic, the probability of this statistic being made up is better than the probability of it being truth.
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#117473 - 02/20/02 08:24 AM Re: King of the Hill
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Three kinds of lies: lies, dammed lies, and statistics. (Source unknown, to me at the moment.)

Ninety percent of all statistics are skewed in some way, and the other half are misleading. (I think this is a bad derivative of a quote by Yogi Berra.)

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#117474 - 02/20/02 08:28 AM Re: King of the Hill
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Ah! Found it. The three kinds of lies quote is attributed to Benjamin Disraeli, British Prime Minister.

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#117475 - 02/20/02 11:39 AM Re: King of the Hill
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OK, just bringing the count to 400. And also thinking this thread has run its course. What do you say, Frank?

penny

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#117476 - 02/20/02 11:43 AM Re: King of the Hill
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 Quote:
68% of all statistics are made up.


This statement itself is not grounded. If you use statistics this way, no wonder people acccuse you of lying!

Politicians do not know statistics even though they love it. The fact that a prime minister says something about lying statistics does not mean anything. Politicans are lying all the time. \:D \:D \:D

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#117477 - 02/20/02 11:45 AM Re: King of the Hill
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Total agreement with Penny. As the Dr. Frankenstein of this thread, the chart orders now read DNR (Do Not Resucitate).

It's been a fun ride, but it's time to pull the plug.

Be gentle, Frank! ;\)
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#117478 - 02/20/02 12:35 PM Re: King of the Hill
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well, then, i suggest that everyone take a look at the new thread, "the tao of the piano." i'm very curious to see what people's responses will be to these ideas.
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#117479 - 02/20/02 01:11 PM Re: King of the Hill
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68% of all statistics are made up.

It's a joke, folks.

But don't believe anything I tell you...
including this.
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#117480 - 02/22/02 06:08 PM Re: King of the Hill
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 Quote:
Originally posted by DT:
don't believe anything I tell you...
including this.[/b]


Okay, just let me see if I've got this straight. If I believe you in the fact that I shouldn't believe anything that comes from you, then I'm breaking your rule. However, if I shouldn't ever believe you, then I can't believe that I shouldn't beleive anything that you say, which means that I should believe you? This sure is a confusing paradox you've got going here.
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#117481 - 07/17/02 01:15 PM Re: King of the Hill
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The race is on, can Spruce Soundboards get more posts than King of the Hill?

:p :p :p :p :p

Spruce Soundboards only has 230 to go!
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#117482 - 07/17/02 01:53 PM Re: King of the Hill
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231. :p :p :p :p
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#117483 - 07/17/02 10:34 PM Re: King of the Hill
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touche, Jolly
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#117484 - 07/18/02 02:10 AM Re: King of the Hill
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Even after 409 posts there is no consensus to who the King of the Hill is... not even a consensus that there is no King on the Hill yet.

At least at the Spruce soundboard thread, I know what wood the lid, rim, soundboard and legs of Pramberger piano are made of.

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#117485 - 07/18/02 02:33 AM Re: King of the Hill
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 Quote:
Originally posted by subarus:
Even after 409 posts there is no consensus to who the King of the Hill is... not even a consensus that there is no King on the Hill yet.

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#117486 - 07/18/02 09:11 AM Re: King of the Hill
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 Quote:
Originally posted by subarus:
At least at the Spruce soundboard thread, I know what wood the lid, rim, soundboard and legs of Pramberger piano are made of.[/b]
Maybe YOU do. I am still waiting on final verification. I assume that means we are going to buy one and take a power saw to it.
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#117487 - 07/18/02 01:39 PM Re: King of the Hill
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I should have known better than to read a 400+ post topic.

Full of sound and fury... :p

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#117488 - 07/18/02 01:56 PM Re: King of the Hill
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 Quote:
Originally posted by JohnC:
The King is dead. Long live the King.[/b]
Long live the king? But, the king is dead. You said so yourself. And if the king is already dead, how can he continue to live long? hmmm... :p \:D
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#117489 - 07/18/02 02:14 PM Re: King of the Hill
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So while this thread has gone on, Yamaha has sold several "crore" (go look it up) more pianos, with soundboards specially aged for wherever you happen to live. It is still a decent, reliable, overpriced -- whoops! overvalued -- piano that obviously lots of people like and should be commended for their choice.

Hey -- anyone know what the legs are made of? Are G legs different from C legs from S legs?

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#117490 - 07/18/02 02:42 PM Re: King of the Hill
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I have information from a reliable source that all Yamaha grand legs are made from wood.

I'd like to double confirm that on the GP1, however. ;\)
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#117491 - 07/21/02 04:13 PM Re: King of the Hill
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I think that although their reign may be short lived, YAMAHA, has become the undisputed "king of the hill." I expect to see more "piano = YAMAHA" on more CD liner notes. And with the likes of Frederic Chiu, "the next Glenn Gould," recording on YAMAHA, even if he may not actually have one installed in his residence in Paris, I feel certain that more will follow suit. "So much more consistent than the ____________s we used to have here," was too often stated to be ignored. Someone certainly had better be listening.

Why did I post here today? Golly, sure had to beat out that tedious "spruce soundboards" thread.
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#117492 - 07/26/02 12:35 AM Re: King of the Hill
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Wow this topic has 12 pages!!!!!!!!

just thought I would add to it! \:\)

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#117493 - 08/01/06 12:04 PM Re: King of the Hill
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Thought this would be a nice thread to drop a small rumor...anybody else heard that Yamaha will be transferring most vertical production to China within the next 18 months?

If Yamaha is made in China, would that make any difference to the prospective buyers? Or is the Yamaha name so linked with a quality image that it doesn't matter where the pianos are made?

Long live the King....
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#117494 - 08/01/06 12:17 PM Re: King of the Hill
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Could it be that you were perhaps worried that the MrsSV thread could topple the King of the Hill thread? \:D

...but this rumor should easily spark enough debate to add a few more pages and keep KOTH safely ensconced on top.

My hunch is that IF Yamaha outsources vertical production to China (and I'd love to hear that rumor confirmed by a Yamaha dealer), it won't make a dent in their sales. Name recognition and brand image counts for so much more, and I suspect that the vast majority of Yamaha upright buyers would never even think to ask where the pianos are manufactured. I would think that you'd have to see a sustained drop in quality for a long time before Yamaha started suffering any ill effects from such a move, and there's no reason to believe that would occur.
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#117495 - 08/01/06 12:54 PM Re: King of the Hill
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I think that, if true, it will cost them significantly.

Their competitors will be sure to point out the country of origin. And, there is definately a gereral perception that the Chinese-made products are of lesser quality than those of the USA and Japan. Even the Indonesian-made pianos have a better reputation.

I'm not saying that it is justified, only that it will be a factor.
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