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#1185312 - 04/22/09 02:10 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: Betty Patnude]
Tar Offline
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Originally Posted By: Betty Patnude
I'm sorry you weren't here this afternoon for the 2nd lesson of my new 6 year old student. She make up a little story about my cat: "Marmaduke, he's orange and white, he sleeps quite a bit and he's likely to snore."

Using that for story line, she played in a 5 Finger C Position RH only and came up with a really cute, rhythmically correct to the syllables in singing style, and played and sang her little composition. Thinking, listening, planning, what to say, and what to play.


Betty, I just have to say that this made me smile more broadly than I ever had for a long, long while. smile
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#1185413 - 04/22/09 04:48 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: Tar]
Betty Patnude Offline
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Thank you, Tar!

It's quite delightful to see kids picking up on things around them to sing or make music from. She has a vivid imagination and we well work and play at composing when there is an opportunity.

At this point in learning, songs are short and sweet.

She has a new song, melody line is 2-handed, and she will be working on playing it to play for "Marmaduke" who had his 14th birthday recently.

They have a mutual admiration society going!

I'm glad this evoked a broad smile from you. I saw that smile on her mother's face as she was listening to the development of the song - it will be a nice memory for all of us.

Betty

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#1185488 - 04/22/09 08:05 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Piano! [Re: eweiss]
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Originally Posted By: eweiss
Originally Posted By: Jazz+
The majority basicly just want to have fun, it's a a hobby and they don't really take it very seriously... they are too lazy or lack the self disiplne to make the effort to achive higher levels, it's not easy... Do I make sense???

Should they take it seriously? Or is having fun more important? I think the latter. As far as self-discipline goes, students will progress and be motivated far more by passion than rote exercises set by many teachers.

Many of my students are able to finally sit down at the piano and play what they feel without sheet music or lead sheets. They rely on intuition and some guidance. Is the goal to create the next Beethoven? Of course not. But at least they are, for a brief time period, one with the music. smile


I agree. Although I only handle advanced students, the tedium of regimented lessons can be frustrating for a beginner if they are eager to create a sound similar to what they're pianistic goals are.
Simple ostinatos are a way to create that environment for a beginner. Anything that gets a beginning student to enjoy sitting at the piano is a worthwhile endeavor.
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Some recent improvisations:

Cool School Chopin:

http://www.mediafire.com/?d1yc1mmitew

Improvisations:

http://www.box.net/shared/bjv6yc34oo

http://www.box.net/shared/8lmc3hzikl


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#1185490 - 04/22/09 08:09 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Piano! [Re: BJones]
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Exactly. My goal is to get the "passion" going. Once that happens, the rest usually takes care of itself.
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#1185520 - 04/22/09 09:16 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Piano! [Re: etcetra]
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YadielOMar, Etc., and Betty, it is obvious that you are jealous of Ed. He has taken a simple technique and made it beautiful. He does that with all his music and out of creativity composes a wonderful piece. I think people like you get very offended because you think music is so darn complicated that when someone like Ed shows us it's not, you have to question your own abilities at the piano; less is more!! Less is more!!!

Playing dead people's music is not something that I and many others care to do or listen to. You will see by the end of your lives, hopefully long lives, that classical is on it's way out. Re-living music for hundreds of years is not where our world is going. Our very own human consciousness and creativity is changing as we speak and the day will be soon when we begin to discover new vibrations to fit our new conciousness, and I don't believe that dead peoples music is going to be a part of that growth.

JMHO

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#1185537 - 04/22/09 09:45 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Piano! [Re: Busy Bee]
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Let's ask our friends at Piano World Forum about this, Busy Bee.

I don't yet know YadielOmar, as today was the first I had read his postings, but he/she caught and held my interest, and I don't think I've read etc's yet as I don't frequent Pianist Corner very much.

I've been around since June 2007 in the forum, mostly in the teacher's forum, and sometimes the adult beginenrs and I've posted 3743 times it says on my profile. I would think that people who have read my posts know something about who I am and what I stand for, and how and why I post. For you to tell the world I'm jealous is absolutely ridiculous to me.

I grant you your wish to stay at the level of music that Ed is offering his public, it is the only thing he talks about, that does not mean it's the only thing he knows, but we can't tell that since he doesn't participate in indepth conversations or issues, he posts toward what supports his videos and business.

It's really offensive to me when you or anyone uses "dead people" in the tone of voice and lack of respect that you do. Dead peoples work and music being preserved is an honor, and I have felt called to the beauty and history of music and the arts all of my life. I'm not alone because here we are in 2009 still being called to classics. That doesn't mean that we don't love other kinds of music too.

People evolve to different levels and interests in their lives, I have found the arena I am happiest in, and I hope you do too, but it isn't wise to limit your self to one thing too early in life, you might be missing the possibilities that could occur in your own life if you keep the musical opportunity door nearly shut.

Speak for yourself please, and don't involve YadielOmar or myself, or any other person here in your defense of Ed. Ed doesn't need defending, he does well on his own. Everyone else can speak for him or herself.

Preferances are what set us apart and distinct from each other. It's all perfectly allowable and reasonable. Every one should participate in their own lifestyle whatever that involves of their choices and interests, don't let anything keep you from it. You've made your choice, but you are also free to make other choices, in the future, too.

I would love it if people would "take" a vote on is Betty jealous or not. I'm opinionated and aggressive sometimes, but am I jealous? I want to know if there is more than one person who thinks I'm jealous of something, anything. You can do it by PM if you want.

YadielOMar and etc., what are you thinking about being called jealous?

Betty Patnude

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#1185564 - 04/22/09 10:49 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Piano! [Re: Betty Patnude]
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Originally Posted By: Betty Patnude
Let's ask our friends at Piano World Forum about this, Busy Bee...
I would think that people who have read my posts know something about who I am and what I stand for, and how and why I post. For you to tell the world I'm jealous is absolutely ridiculous to me.
... I want to know if there is more than one person who thinks I'm jealous of something, anything. You can do it by PM if you want.

Betty Patnude


Well, since you asked wink , yes, there is at least one other person who thinks your criticisms of Ed (and others on the forum) reflect some degree of jealousy, although I might be tempted to say that you come across more as being threatened, or defensive, or closed-minded, especially when you respond to any perceived criticism with such long rants.

There are many different routes to music and the study of music. Ed's approach is a valid one and serves a niche very well (and a niche that is growing steadily in size, if reports about an increase in adult beginners and retreaders are accurate). Your approach is also valid and also serves an important niche of its own. Um, live and let live, perhaps?

I think Bjones expressed it best: Simple ostinatos are a way to create that environment for a beginner. Anything that gets a beginning student to enjoy sitting at the piano is a worthwhile endeavor.

Ed, I applaud your efforts to bring the joy of music, and creating music, in people's lives. You reach people who have no interest in "traditional" lessons or the classical curriculum, and you get these people playing and making music who probably otherwise wouldn't. How on earth could that be a bad thing? smile
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#1185572 - 04/22/09 11:03 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Piano! [Re: Betty Patnude]
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I always thought that music was about expressing feelings and emotions,(happy, uplifting, or sad) and being able to convey them to the listener, and thereby give pleasure to the audience.
This can happen at any level. From the simplest 6 year old's compostition, to the greatest masters who ever lived.
Any exercise or technique, that can encourage and inspire a love of a musical instrument, be it simple, or advanced, should never be ignored.
On the subject of dead composers, all I can say is that if I could compose just one piece, that people continued to play, and enjoy, long after I am dead, then I would consider that I had a life well lived.
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#1185576 - 04/22/09 11:06 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Piano! [Re: Monica K.]
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Busy Bee,

like i've said before. I've noodled around with stuff like that in highschool. My point is that what ed is doing is probably don't fit the needs of most people here and that its important that he finds a market/audience more suitable for this kind of teaching method.

I remember ed making a negative comments when a jazz pianist was offering free online lesson here, calling it a 'shameless promotion' and yet he is offering us free piano lessons... that was part of the reason i wanted to know the motivation before posting this material.

"classical is on it's way out"

wow, lets toss away Homer, Virgil, and Shakespeare while we are at it.. thats the stupidest thing I've heard in a long long time..

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#1185591 - 04/22/09 11:30 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Piano! [Re: Monica K.]
BJones Offline
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Originally Posted By: Monica K.
Originally Posted By: Betty Patnude
Let's ask our friends at Piano World Forum about this, Busy Bee...
I would think that people who have read my posts know something about who I am and what I stand for, and how and why I post. For you to tell the world I'm jealous is absolutely ridiculous to me.
... I want to know if there is more than one person who thinks I'm jealous of something, anything. You can do it by PM if you want.

Betty Patnude


Well, since you asked wink , yes, there is at least one other person who thinks your criticisms of Ed (and others on the forum) reflect some degree of jealousy, although I might be tempted to say that you come across more as being threatened, or defensive, or closed-minded, especially when you respond to any perceived criticism with such long rants.

There are many different routes to music and the study of music. Ed's approach is a valid one and serves a niche very well (and a niche that is growing steadily in size, if reports about an increase in adult beginners and retreaders are accurate). Your approach is also valid and also serves an important niche of its own. Um, live and let live, perhaps?

I think Bjones expressed it best: Simple ostinatos are a way to create that environment for a beginner. Anything that gets a beginning student to enjoy sitting at the piano is a worthwhile endeavor.

Ed, I applaud your efforts to bring the joy of music, and creating music, in people's lives. You reach people who have no interest in "traditional" lessons or the classical curriculum, and you get these people playing and making music who probably otherwise wouldn't. How on earth could that be a bad thing? smile


I think his efforts are definitely worthwhile and if I taught beginners, I wouldn't hesitate to teach them the same way in an effort to get them playing, get them making a sound that's comparable to many things they hear and want to emulate while also giving them the "traditional nuts and bolts" method for essential theory.
Most beginner's exercises have a student playing things that have no real musical bearing on what they like or what they want to emulate.
Ed's program gets their hands and minds working at the piano with a high level of enthusiasm becaue real music is being created and they're the ones creating it... very, very important.
This type of student will have an extremly low drop out rate because when they go to the piano, it's out of desire and love to play rather than approaching it with only dread, not seeing the forest for the trees because the traditional courses have them sweating it out with basics for months before creating a "professional" sound is accomplished.

Kudos to Ed for perfectly understanding the expresive needs of a beginning pianist. get them playing and keep them playing. have them want to sit at the piano and everything ele will fall into place. Ed understands this as well as anyone and his ideas are totally valid as well as right on the money.
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Cool School Chopin:

http://www.mediafire.com/?d1yc1mmitew

Improvisations:

http://www.box.net/shared/bjv6yc34oo

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#1185596 - 04/22/09 11:34 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Piano! [Re: etcetra]
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Originally Posted By: etcetra
Busy Bee,

I remember ed making a negative comments when a jazz pianist was offering free online lesson here, calling it a 'shameless promotion' and yet he is offering us free piano lessons... that was part of the reason i wanted to know the motivation before posting this material.



Ed explained when I called him out on that.
I do wish Dave Frank was still posting here. Dave's a great player and probably one of the few pianists on the planet coming from the same direction as I am, at the same approximate level!
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Some recent improvisations:

Cool School Chopin:

http://www.mediafire.com/?d1yc1mmitew

Improvisations:

http://www.box.net/shared/bjv6yc34oo

http://www.box.net/shared/8lmc3hzikl


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#1185664 - 04/23/09 03:47 AM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: Monica K.]
Tar Offline
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I have an impression that this thread has become a discussion about the difference between the "classical" and the "modern", the "fun-loving" and the "serious", the "beginning" and the "experienced". I had rather think that Ed's earlier post:

"Isn't the world big enough for both?"

summed it up nicely. We all seem to agree to differ. Look at this realistically, has anyone changed their view point ever since this thread started? Although of course there is anything wrong with that, it's ugly when things get personal.

If we're not learning anything from this thread (not even how two chords create a rich full sound on the piano), at least we can refrain from harming ourselves and others. I'm sure we've all arrived here with goodwill and not poised to evoke personal attacks. Let's keep it that way. Now play the piano: classical, jazz, or new age, whatever you like!
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#1185682 - 04/23/09 05:52 AM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: Tar]
BJones Offline
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Originally Posted By: Tar
it's ugly when things get personal.


One man's ugly is another man's enlightening. You can really learn alot about someone when you haul out the manure catapults. thumb
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Some recent improvisations:

Cool School Chopin:

http://www.mediafire.com/?d1yc1mmitew

Improvisations:

http://www.box.net/shared/bjv6yc34oo

http://www.box.net/shared/8lmc3hzikl


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#1185778 - 04/23/09 11:06 AM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: BJones]
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Originally Posted By: BJones
Originally Posted By: Tar
it's ugly when things get personal.
One man's ugly is another man's enlightening. thumb

Wrong. One man's ugly is the same man's enlightening. I just hadn't quite grasped an opportunity to learn emotional endurance as well as discuss piano in this forum grin

Originally Posted By: BJones
You can really learn alot about someone when you haul out the manure catapults.

This reminds me of the Amtal Rule in Dune: "Only when an object was pushed beyond its limits would its true nature be seen"...
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#1185780 - 04/23/09 11:09 AM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: Tar]
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Etcera, and you don't think saying something like,

"My point is that what ed is doing is probably don't fit the needs of most people here and that its important that he finds a market/audience more suitable for this kind of teaching method"

is stupid.

I didn't realize you can speak for the "people here". Hum...how many followers do you have?


Edited by Busy Bee (04/23/09 11:15 AM)

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#1185870 - 04/23/09 01:48 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: Busy Bee]
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I think what ed is doing is perfectly valid, and we have *all* skill levels here at PW, so whether or not it's useful for "most" readers here, it's probably useful for some. And I'm also sure there are quite accomplished pianists who haven't improvised before who would find it useful - there was a post in a thread in the teachers forum about that particular situation just recently. I certainly use an "ostinato" pattern in the left - mine happens to be a basic oom-pah and bass runs - and do what improvising I do in the right hand.

So - whatever works. If Betty's student, or anyone else, learns to do some improvisation by making up a sentence and using its rhythm for a tune, I'm sure that works. If they use ed's ostinato left-hand, I'm sure that works. One of the things I like about ed's method (and it's not original with him, nor does he suggest that it is - he just illustrated in this video what can be done with it) is that it seems to me it is more directly related to one's ears - to primarily what one is hearing, rather than starting with something a step away from sound. While most beginning attempts may have pretty random sounds, after some reiterations/experimentation one can begin to appreciate the sound directly, rather than translating from the spoken word first. And for me, the actual music is the sound. The sound is primary. But again, I'm pretty sure both approaches work for some people.

YMMV.

Cathy
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#1185966 - 04/23/09 04:31 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: jotur]
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Originally Posted By: jotur
I certainly use an "ostinato" pattern in the left - mine happens to be a basic oom-pah and bass runs - and do what improvising I do in the right hand.



...of which an oom-pah is the basis not only for polkas and rags, but for stride piano as well! A stride left hand can be characterized as an oom-pah, which is everpresent in Chopin and others of his ilk.

99% of rock and roll and blues piano are left hand ostinato patterns.


Edited by BJones (04/23/09 04:33 PM)
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Some recent improvisations:

Cool School Chopin:

http://www.mediafire.com/?d1yc1mmitew

Improvisations:

http://www.box.net/shared/bjv6yc34oo

http://www.box.net/shared/8lmc3hzikl


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#1185968 - 04/23/09 04:32 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: jotur]
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jotour

The confusion here is, did Ed post this material to 1) actually help people who are in need of these kind of help? or 2) to have other teacher evaluate the value of his method? I understand what ed is doing can be helpful, but so far that comments i read have been about how it would be helpful for 'someone else' with less experience.

so if ed intended to do the former, isn't it better for him direct this information to where its more relevant?

Also I can sympathize with betty's point of view too. i am not a classical pianist, I understand how much refinement, creativity, passion and expression goes into playing a piece of classical music, and I appreciate that. In some ways its natural that a teacher would want a student to go beyond the basic , because the rewards from that kind of challenge is far greater and profound and you'd be missing out on what music can really offer you.

Maybe what Betty and other wanted to see is how this exerecise can lead, and inspire people to taken on greater musical challenger later, a way to develop and deepen this rudimentary ideas

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#1185977 - 04/23/09 04:38 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: etcetra]
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and it depends on the person, but some people will be curious enough to figure what else you can do with om-pah and find ways to it more interesting. It could mean learning/imitating stride or analyzing how chopin/brahms om-pahed in their composition and figure out how you can use them on your improv .. i think a lesson of that kind would be very helpful to me and many others who has some musical experience.

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#1185989 - 04/23/09 04:52 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: etcetra]
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Well, etcetra, ed posted this in the "non-classical" thread. I'd think that if he was primarily interested in teacher evaluations he'd post in the teachers forum. On the other hand, here in non-classical he'd be reaching many folks of varying abilities who are interested in - voila! - non-classical, improv, whatever. And many folks from the ABF check in here, as do folks who seldom or never visit the ABF. So since his first post didn't say anything about other teachers I figured it was for folks looking for ideas about non-classical music. His thread title, I guess, could have been a little more specific that the post was about improv, but - lots of us read it regardless of its title.

I'll reiterate - both ed's and Betty's ideas will work for some people, and some will prefer one or the other. But I don't think the idea that posters already know what ed had to offer is quite an accurate statement. And ed specifically stated that this is a place to start - it would be really difficult, I think, to go into every ramification of the idea in a single thread, much less a single post smile

And yes, you might be more interested in stride techniques, and others might also. But that doesn't negate the fact that some posters might find good ideas in ed's original post.

You might look at Homespun tapes instruction videos for stride and ragtime ideas. I have a couple that I thought had some good ideas. Also, Judy Carmichael's You Can Play Stride Piano, at www.musicbooksnow.com would probably keep you busy at your level smile

Cathy
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#1186000 - 04/23/09 05:10 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: etcetra]
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Originally Posted By: etcetra
The confusion here is, did Ed post this material to 1) actually help people who are in need of these kind of help? or 2) to have other teacher evaluate the value of his method? I understand what ed is doing can be helpful, but so far that comments i read have been about how it would be helpful for 'someone else' with less experience.

so if ed intended to do the former, isn't it better for him direct this information to where its more relevant?

Also I can sympathize with betty's point of view too. i am not a classical pianist, I understand how much refinement, creativity, passion and expression goes into playing a piece of classical music, and I appreciate that. In some ways its natural that a teacher would want a student to go beyond the basic , because the rewards from that kind of challenge is far greater and profound and you'd be missing out on what music can really offer you.

Maybe what Betty and other wanted to see is how this exerecise can lead, and inspire people to taken on greater musical challenger later, a way to develop and deepen this rudimentary ideas

The answer is, I posted this to illustrate a technique and how it's used in New Age piano playing. If it inspires and helps fine. I knew there would be some who would "rake it" over the coals.

But as some have pointed out, I'm a big boy and can take it. What gets me is the hostility towards the post. Especially, and I emphasize especially, from fellow teachers. You think I personally came into their studio and swiped students from them. smirk

P.S. As far as "greater musical challenges" go, I think the greatest challenge is for students to trust themselves and their intuition. Once this is accomplished, there is no end to the possiblities! laugh


Edited by eweiss (04/23/09 06:14 PM)
Edit Reason: spelling
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#1186051 - 04/23/09 07:08 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: eweiss]
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5fKEOAWsaI&feature=channel_page This is what you will be paying for. As I have to keep on repeating over and over again, he has some good ideas, but its not worth the 20 some odd dollars he's asking to teach you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDq0HqHXuq0&feature=related If you can guarantee that I will be playing at that level by the end of your course then sign me up! But if you're going to teach me the circle of fourths and tell me its the circle of fifths then you're doing a disservice to the people watching said video and draining there pockets in the process. It's like convincing your son that the color blue is called red. You can't ask a painter to paint the 16th chapel with a red crayon and glitter, why not give your students a full set of materials to create, instead of a couple of tidbits. And I'm looking at this from a new age standpoint which is your target audience
To busy bee; How sweet of you, you thought I was jealous. Well, in actuality I want to help a fellow teacher out and also make sure his students get the best education. Jealously doesn't even come to mind. Now if you want to sting me that's ok, but remember that you only have one shot, because of your anatomy, so make it count
To betty; thanks for the comment, much obliged! I enjoy reading your post, very informative!

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#1186056 - 04/23/09 07:30 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: YadielOmar]
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Yadiel,

Thanks for posting another video of mine. I really appreciate it.

The fact that you don't think my course is worth $19 a month (not $20) is fine. To you it may not be.

But to my hundreds of students, it is.

As far as the circle goes, it can be referred to as the circle of fourths or fifths. Here's a wikipedia article on it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circle_of_fifths

So you see, you can learn something in these forums after all! whome

P.S. My students learn how to play like the George Winston video you referenced by Lesson Four. So should I sign you up now?
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#1186074 - 04/23/09 08:13 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: eweiss]
Betty Patnude Offline
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For Pete's sake! Who would have known Wikipedia thinks there is a Circle of 4ths? There is corruption everywhere you look. Like a contagious "rash". They've captured irrational thought and now it's being marketed. Oh, maybe we knew that but don't want to admit it.

So you see, you can learn that wikipedia just goes with the flow of whoever posted, and whoever is posting these days.

George Winston plays like George Winston very much, he owns the George Winston style, plays in his George Winston outfits. He works with sound images and rhythm I believe. At one time he did not read music therefore could not write it. Then with the advent of computers in pianos, it's possible to play the keyboard and have it transformed to print. Because of this, his music has been able to be shared in print with the world. George is quite a mainstay of new age music and his associate musicians at Wyndham Hill have been mainstream and among the first on the scene. Let's hear it for George Winston! He is a very quiet, low keyed musician.

Does he know you use him as an endorser or example of your product?

What pomposity on your part, Ed.

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#1186089 - 04/23/09 08:42 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: Betty Patnude]
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Betty - this particular section of wikipedia says it's undergoing a major revision, and you can edit it. Scroll down a little ways and there will be an "edit" button. You can also click on the blue words "circle of fourths" and go edit that section if you want. That section says "circle of fourths" is used more in jazz. But the whole article is up for review/editing, and wikipedia is, after all, a citizen encyclopedia. So if you want something changed, go for it.

Cathy
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#1186099 - 04/23/09 09:04 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: Betty Patnude]
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Betty,

I don't "use" George Winston anymore than you use Beethoven, Czerny, or whatever you use to teach your students how to play piano.

I show students who want to learn this style, how to play in the style he plays in. Of course, that's just a small part of what I teach, but there's nothing wrong with that at all.

I'm not teaching them to play exactly what George plays. That would be limiting to a student's growth and identical to what you do. I teach the technique he uses so students can incorporate it into their own repertoire. Then they are free to create their own music.

Please, enough with the hostility already. It's getting ridiculous. And it doesn't reflect well on you Betty. crazy
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#1186116 - 04/23/09 09:38 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: eweiss]
Betty Patnude Offline
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Registered: 06/11/07
Posts: 4896
Loc: Puyallup, Washington
It's not hostility, and it's not jealously Ed, it's a little wrath because you misstate music theory and pick on piano teachers who do classical music training.

What reflects on me Ed is the power of my work in music, the power of my written word, and other accountabilites I have in my responsibilities to my family, friends and associates.

You have a commercial aspect going here for the selling of your video course - for the purpose of advertising it - and probably for the purpose of signing people up. What you offer is enticing, and I'm sure there is interest, as you proclaim how easy it is. Easy? Easy?

I think your contribution here is rather self serving and I have said so. You appear blatant to me in your reasons for posting. If you contribute something significant other than your own enterprize I will change my impression of you.

No teacher with ethics would do or say unpleasant things about other teachers the way that you have while you were posting as "Q" and now as Ed Weiss. You have no qualms.

Contribute with things other than what bears your name and website and learning program and stop trying to intimidate reputable teachers who teach things beyond your chosen teaching style.

It anything reflects on you Ed, it's your column, your post, your domain, your purpose.

I'm just publically reacting to your marketing madness and jaunty attitude that goes with your speal. For those that your program appeals to, there are ways for them to contact you that are your responsibility to pay for the marketing expenses of contacting people with your message. Put it in your budget and respect the forum for the purpose it has to users. I consider all of your posting self serving and exploitive.

Are we clear on that.

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#1186118 - 04/23/09 09:42 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: Betty Patnude]
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Loc: Beautiful San Diego, CA
Fascinating. And a little scary. sick
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#1186132 - 04/23/09 10:14 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: eweiss]
etcetra Offline
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Registered: 05/25/08
Posts: 1446
I think Betty sums up how some of the teachers are feeling about what is happening, although others might not feel as strongly as Betty.Most people are here to share musical ideas without any pretense of commercial interest.. if every teacher here started making post about their lessons or their new CD's it will add a lot of junk to the forum, and it will be very annoying

btw i think your post might have been more helpful at the "Adult Beginners Forum"

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#1186133 - 04/23/09 10:17 PM Re: Two Chords Creates a Rich Full Sound on the Pi [Re: eweiss]
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Registered: 11/03/08
Posts: 1432
Loc: Australia
I am confused.
As I see it, the original post, was a short video lesson, freely available to all, demonstrating a simple technique, that may be found to be useful by some piano students. Nothing wrong with that.
I would imagine that those who found it useful, would be happy, and those who didn't, would simply ignore it, and move on.
I really don't understand why such a post has caused so much hostility.
I don't know Ed, but I don't see why his link in his signature, is considered by some, to be nothing more than blatant self promotion, when I see others here, with similar links to their own business enterprises.
If I have missed the rules on posting links, I apologise.
Maybe someone could clarify this for me.
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