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#1187593 - 04/26/09 09:46 AM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Piano World]
hudduk78 Offline
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Hi,
I am an advanced performer; I am a student, doing PHD, and also teach for over 8 years. The age of my students varies from 4 to 62. I do not teach just for fan, I plan my lessons for specific purposes i.e. performance or at least a degree or grades in music.
The touch and visual observation of students is very important, often by simply watching them from distance we may miss the poor hand position, or posture which in tern may lead to complications. Often inappropriate attack of the keys may not be obvious when using soft ware.
I personally would never take lesson or teach online.

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#1187602 - 04/26/09 10:17 AM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: hudduk78]
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Dear all, I hate to thing, that I may offend other members of this forum.
Of course the idea may work well, but I think there is a danger, especially in teaching younger students, to miss things, which are fundamental for their musical development.
It is simply my thoughts, but I would love to be proved wrong.

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#1187604 - 04/26/09 10:23 AM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: hudduk78]
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Doesn't offend me at all. I think online learning is only really effective in "coaching" situations where you're helping someone who's already got the basics down. I think the idea student for online music learning is an adolescent or adult who's looking for advice on how to manage specific goals they want to achieve.
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#1187615 - 04/26/09 11:02 AM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Kreisler]
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I believe that is what Jeffrey had in mind.

I started this thread because of discussions I've had with Jeffrey (Biegel, concert pianist) about reaching out to students around the world.

His students tend to be quite advanced pianist and/or piano teachers who teach at a high level. They could also be someone who is preparing for a competition, or working on a particular piece and needs (as Kreisler states) some "coaching".

All that said, I have found some interesting sites that teach lessons "online", like this one for jazz piano ... http://www.jazzpianoonline.com/

I would not recommend strictly studying online, as I don't think they should be considered a substitute for a good teacher. However, there are opportunities to learn theory (something I'm sorely lacking in) and for live interactive coaching.

Which brings me back to the hardware questions.

I'd like to see some setups the are working with acoustic pianos.
If anyone has any good live examples, please let me know.
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#1187631 - 04/26/09 11:45 AM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Piano World]
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I have to say, that I think there is a huge future in online 'live' lessons. There are many people, who for one reason, or another, are reticent about either, travelling to a teacher's studio, or having a teacher come into their home. Some people prefer a non face to face situation, where they may otherwise feel intimidated, or judged. I make it clear, that there is no requirement for the student to show their face, if they don't want to. ( I don't show mine, as I don't want to scare them off, LOL )
You have to be prepared to spend a little more time, than you normally would for a lesson, due to web glitches, etc., but I am sure that will improve in the future.
Some time needs to be spent, on making sure the student has the optimum setup, and environment, but I have found that a great teacher/student relationship can be achieved, very easily, and quickly.
As to mic-ing up an acoustic piano, I have no experience, but a reasonable quality microphone, plus another for the teacher's voice, both run into a small mixer, or multi input audio interface, would be easily set up.
With my small mixer and audio interface, I can switch seamlessly from piano, to guitar, at the turn of a knob, and also use my voice microphone at the same time.
Using Skype add-ons, I can play any audio file to the student, or send pdf files, etc.
It all takes a bit of experimentation, but can be worth it in the end.
Here in Australia, there are many people living in remote areas, who have no other access to music lessons, so maybe they are more used to using internet alternatives.

Edited to add: If anyone would like to test out their Skype connection, I would be happy to oblige. it is always interesting to see how different connections around the world, perform.




Edited by R0B (04/26/09 11:55 AM)
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#1187639 - 04/26/09 11:59 AM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: R0B]
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Good points Rob.

I know Jeffrey has done some teaching/coaching already over the Internet.

I can certainly see the advantage where the student and teacher are many miles apart.
That was Jeffrey's point. It isn't that he doesn't want to teach in person, that would be preferred. But he gets approached by people from across the country and around the world.

My goal with this thread, besides getting valuable feedback, is to determine the minimum hardware (and software) needed to make this work.

I realize the set up would be different for a digital piano (which is all I have right now) and an acoustic.

I'm hoping a few people can weigh in with what they are using for mics, mixers, interfaces, and software.

I know I've tried recording my playing just using a web cam. Although the video was acceptable, the audio wasn't. And I wasn't trying to stream it live.

Keep the feedback coming folks, we're getting some good information and interesting perspectives here.

Rob...
Thanks for the offer to let us try Skype connections with your location. Considering I'm in the Southeast part of the U.S. (Florida) and you are on the other side of the world, it would be a good test.

I'll have to take you up on your kind offer once I get something in place. Now, how do I get the camera to remove about 45lbs of my ample tummy before it transmits?



Edited by Piano World (04/26/09 12:02 PM)
Edit Reason: Edited to reply to your edit Rob :-)
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#1187677 - 04/26/09 12:59 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Piano World]
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I'm interested in online teaching too, but with a responsible outcome to what transpired in the teaching.

There is nothing worse then to provide a lot of information to a student who is just not ready for it, confusion begats confusion.

Interactive lessons where there is listening together and communicating about the lesson being taken is much better for teaching purposes than a video that covers so much general information.

It is a "wasteland" of information if it is not applied to structure of what is already known. Learning "legato" (in a smooth and connected flow of information gathering) is as important as learning the playing technique of "legato" .

To me, this implies the teacher and the student are connected.

When I look at videos I can see and hear and watch points being made, but my level of understanding is quite advanced and augmented by 38 years of teaching piano. Not much escapes me.

The learner looking at such things, gets a clue, but can't guite grasp it into action on his own.

I like video teaching online from the idea that a lot of people can get a lesson plan started, being efficient for the teacher instead of always one on one with the student - but there needs to be an interface between the teacher and the student where they "mingle" together in discussing what is happening with this particular learner. It's also on-going, not one time.

So if I could employ the technical capacity to enhance my studio teaching, I would. If I could teach to the world, I would. But I would insist on their being some kind of evaluation from the teacher to the student to edu-cate them.

"Do this - do that" imitative teaching reduces to no to little expectation that the student is going to get the teaching points and be able to run with it.

Musicians looking down from a higher level of preparation are going to profit more from on line teaching and videos, the ones in beginner to advancing are not going to have as successful outcome as foreseen. The learner needs guidance, mentoring, coaching, teaching from a live person with whom they can interact.

Many learners do work on their own and enjoy it - but more so, it produces problems in pianists perceptions that have been built upon even more so, and the result is that you have a person trapped and frustrated because their attempts have not come to fruition in producing an independance musician who easily makes music at the level they have reached. If may be reparable, it may not. We see problems all the time in transfer students, and in people who have been self teaching.

Playing piano is a very unique set of intelligence - something that needs shaping and explaining and discussion - it does not come to you just by sitting on a piano bench facing in the right direction. You have to know how to apply it.

This is the teacher's domain. It's an essential thing if you expect to be accomplished at your instrument. Otherwise musicians would never have the need to take lessons if it were attainable by doing it yourself, or from a video.

The piano encompasses 88 keys and 10 fingers and a brain to operate. Heavy equipment workers need licensing, we should be "licensed", too, by a "training program".

Piano is not a casual undertaking at all but we all hope to do our best at it starting from where we are and by whatever means are available.

Betty Patnude

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#1188020 - 04/26/09 11:25 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Betty Patnude]
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Hello Betty,
Forgive me if I am wrong, but your post implies that we are talking about pre-recorded video lessons, here?
The use of Skype, (or similar) enables us to have exactly the real-time interaction between teacher and student, that you rightly endorse.
The lessons are conducted 'live', with immediate feedback and communication between the two parties.

Of course, this can never replace lessons in person, in the same room, but allows those, who, for one reason or another, are unable to travel to a teacher, to have lessons 'in person'.
The technology is already being used for many teaching applications. Language learning, etc., and can only improve over time.
It is also possible for the student to record the 'live' lesson, to view again later.

To Frank,
I realise that your tummy concerns, were said in jest, but it is a valid point, and the beauty of the technology, is that you can simply focus the camera onto the keyboard, or other instrument, and can remain completely anonymous if desired.

Rob


Edited by R0B (04/26/09 11:27 PM)
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#1188169 - 04/27/09 08:55 AM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: R0B]
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Originally Posted By: R0B


Edited to add: If anyone would like to test out their Skype connection, I would be happy to oblige. it is always interesting to see how different connections around the world, perform.




Rob,

Could you PM or email webmaster@pianoworld.com me your Skype info?
I'd like to give it a try, and the distance between us would make an interesting test.

Of course we need to coordinate the timing.
I'm in Southeast Florida, EDT in the U.S.
I believe that makes me GMT - 5:00

Best,

Frank B.

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#1188266 - 04/27/09 11:53 AM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Piano World]
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Hi Frank,
Email sent.

Regards,
Rob
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#1189359 - 04/28/09 08:02 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: R0B]
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Well, I got my Skype account working and bought a good webcam with built in mic. We tested out the sound quality with my husband in one room and me in the other, and it seemed decent enough. Not great, but enough I think to pick up nuances. The visual was clear, but a bit choppy. All in all, I was quite pleased. I'll be taking skype lessons from my voice teacher in CA, and there may be some students of mine who will be moving away that would be interested in them as well (both voice and piano). I'll let you know how my lessons turn out! If it goes well, I may start advertising online lessons smile
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#1189380 - 04/28/09 08:36 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Morodiene]
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Thanks Morodiene,

I'm hoping to try it out Thursday night with Rob in Australia.
Thinking the distance (I'm in FL, U.S.) should be a good latency test.

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#1189401 - 04/28/09 09:16 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Piano World]
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Congrats on getting set up, Morodiene.
I hope it works out for you.

Just for general info, there is a Skype add-on, called 'PrettyMay' call recorder. The basic version is free.
I don't use the recording function, but there is a facility in the program, to play audio files stored on your computer, via Skype, to the other party, in real time, whilst you are chatting. It has it's own Start/Stop, and volume controls.
This is great for sharing recordings you have made, or for playing a recording of a piece, or song, that you are teaching/learning, etc.

Rob
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#1189414 - 04/28/09 09:51 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: R0B]
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Rob,
Thanks for the info! I think that can be very helpful, especially for singing when I'm playing clips that show them what I want them to do.

I was looking at your website to see how you had things set up policy-wise, and was wondering why you decided to do that "pay as you go"? Was it just to ease people's minds about doing this online? As it stands, I think I'd only offer skype lessons to students that I already know, but I still see my time in preparing for lessons and reserving a time for lessons still worth a value, and skype lessons might be even easier to "miss". What has been your experience with the business end of things?
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#1189438 - 04/28/09 10:13 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Morodiene]
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Morodiene,
To be honest, I only decided try Skype, when one of my guitar students moved over 2,000 miles away, to the East of Australia, but wanted to continue her lessons, so I don't have that much experience yet. I also use it with another student, who only lives 15 mins away, but is not always available on his appointed day, so we can fit in a lesson when we both have free time, and happen to be online.
A family member in the UK is keen to start soon.
I agree that teaching existing students is so much easier, as a relationship has already been established in person.
As to my 'policy' I am thinking of refining it slightly. I thought that PAYG, as you say, would give both parties a chance to find out if Skype was a viable alternative.
I am just testing the water at the moment.
I would love to hear about others' experiences.

Rob
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#1189690 - 04/29/09 09:50 AM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: R0B]
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It seems to be a tough call, because with Paypal you could do that very easily with no extra paperwork. And if there are technical issues that prevent the lesson from happening, then that would also have to be considered. However, if it is a set time that you are getting together on a regular basis, it makes sense that a policy should be set up for tuition rather than pay as you go, just because it means a commitment on the part of the student, which I have found gets better results. A parent is more likely to make sure their child practices and prepares and not blow off lessons if they've invested money into it (likewise for adult students as well).
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#1189717 - 04/29/09 10:49 AM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Morodiene]
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I agree absolutely with all you say, but the Skype model, is still in it's infancy for me, and I think it is more likely that people will sign up for 'one off' lessons, to see how it goes for them. If the PayPal payment is not made in advance, the lesson does not happen, simple as that.
This particular type of distance learning is a relatively new phenomenon, so I am prepared for a little give and take, on both sides, in the initial stages.
Personally, I would not be prepared, at this stage, to entertain teaching children over this medium. It is fraught with pitfalls.
I should declare at this stage, that I have no wish, or qualifications, to teach advanced students. I am more interested in adults, who wish to learn to play piano, or guitar, purely for their own pleasure. My lessons are structured to the individuals' needs and wishes, and conducted in a relaxed and informal atmosphere, as far as possible.
I believe that any student requiring formal or advanced tuition, would find the Skype environment, very restricting, on many levels.
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#1189810 - 04/29/09 12:26 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: R0B]
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I agree it is very limiting, and not ideal for any student, honestly. However, with those students of mine who are graduating and would like to continue or are moving away (possibly out of the country where they would have to take lessons in another language) it could be a great solution. In those cases I don't think there'd be a problem with paying in advance, with some flexibility for technical problems.

I also agree that it would not be good to teach children this way, because they do need something a bit more engaging. Most of my students are not serious musicians and do this for enjoyment as well. I think the toughest part will be in instances where being there to actually help the student via touch is necessary.
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#1190586 - 04/30/09 01:04 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Piano World]
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Has anyone visited this site

http://OnlinePianoLessonsLive.com

Looks like a great place to start an international career.
Also, an even better place to take lessons.
Everything I have seen in this thread is OLD STUFF.
This site takes online teaching to a new level.

First of all there is nothing for the teachers or the students to download or install on their computers.

Second They also give Group lessons, because there is no limit to the number of video streams they can process.

The only requirements are a web cam and to have Flash Player installed.

Let me know if you like it ... pintwister@hotmail.com
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#1190611 - 04/30/09 01:37 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: PinTwister]
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Originally Posted By: PinTwister
Has anyone visited this site

http://OnlinePianoLessonsLive.com

Looks like a great place to start an international career.
Also, an even better place to take lessons.
Everything I have seen in this thread is OLD STUFF.
This site takes online teaching to a new level.

First of all there is nothing for the teachers or the students to download or install on their computers.

Second They also give Group lessons, because there is no limit to the number of video streams they can process.

The only requirements are a web cam and to have Flash Player installed.

Let me know if you like it ... pintwister@hotmail.com



PinTwister,

We don't need a commercial for a web site you represent, we need facts about hardware and software, and why it works.

I don't care how many "streams" a system can handle.
We are interested in quality, latency, etc.

Saying all the student needs is a web cam tells me right away you aren't talking about anything that will help.

First, web cams vary greatly in quality, second, the tiny little mics built in tend to produce horrible audio quality when you are trying to stream a concert grand piano with someone playing something like the Prokofiev Piano Concerto No. 3.
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#1190615 - 04/30/09 01:40 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Piano World]
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Another option people in this thread may want to look into is regular video. And no, I'm not talking about myself. You can have a teacher create a video for you and discuss it via email or chat.

It's another option. I personally don't do this but may start if the interest is there.
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#1190683 - 04/30/09 03:20 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: eweiss]
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The problem with this is the interaction is delayed. They have to watch, remember their question, respond, wait for an answer, etc. Live streaming is really more effective, IMO.
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#1191195 - 05/01/09 11:44 AM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Morodiene]
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Well, I am pleased to confirm, that a Skype connection between me, in Perth, Australia, and Frank, in Florida, USA, was a complete success, with barely a milli-second of delay, or frozen video.
Frank appeared as though he was on live TV, and our various instruments sounded great, and there was absolutely no delay between fingers on keys, and sound ocurring, either end.
Furthermore, I have to say, that Frank is an all round great guy!
Thanks for the opportunity, and experience, Frank.
It was a pleasure to 'meet' you :-)

Rob
PS It would be interesting to know, Frank, the specifications of the laptop you were using, and also your connection type?
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#1191205 - 05/01/09 11:54 AM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: R0B]
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#1191268 - 05/01/09 01:46 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: kennychaffin]
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I am particularly interested in what equipment was used. I have a somewhat nice web cam with built in mic, so I wonder if that will be sufficient or if I should set up a better mic (which I do own, but it would be a pain to set up as I use it regularly for in person lessons).
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#1191274 - 05/01/09 01:54 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Morodiene]
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Surprisingly (to me), the built in web cam in my laptop seemed to work just fine.

I have an external web cam, and a decent mic, but I couldn't get them working through Skype (will work more on that later).

As it is, the built in camera and mic apparently worked ok.

No doubt better equipment would yield better results, but I'm not sure it's necessary.
The one variable that does seem important is the speed of the connection.

I hope to experiment more with this, and I know the concert pianist/teacher I've been talking to is anxious to work with it.
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#1191313 - 05/01/09 02:39 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Piano World]
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Ya, I would think one has to have a high-speed connection and not dial-up for any success.

How close was the webcam to your piano? Was it just showing you hands the whole time, or was it further back to show you face and hands from a little bit of a distance?
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#1191316 - 05/01/09 02:43 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: R0B]
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Originally Posted By: R0B

Frank appeared as though he was on live TV, and our various instruments sounded great, and there was absolutely no delay between fingers on keys, and sound ocurring, either end.


Very cool, and very interesting.

Can I ask how good the visibility was of your (and Frank's) fingers/hands? It would seem that the key to make this work for teaching is for the teacher to be able to see absolutely clearly what's going on with fingering and hand positioning and tension and the like, and I know I don't always get a good sense of that when I'm watching YouTube videos, say.
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#1191350 - 05/01/09 04:16 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Morodiene]
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Originally Posted By: Morodiene
Ya, I would think one has to have a high-speed connection and not dial-up for any success.

How close was the webcam to your piano? Was it just showing you hands the whole time, or was it further back to show you face and hands from a little bit of a distance?


Rob and I experimented. He actually had two cameras set up, with a switch so he could switch between them. He also had a small mixer and some other equipment.

When I had the separate web cam working, I could hang it over the keyboard (on a mic stand) and zoom in or out to show the entire keyboard and my hands (as well as some of my round tummy). For some reason Skype insisted on working from my laptop internal camera, but I'm sure that's my fault.
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#1191503 - 05/01/09 09:55 PM Re: Streaming Piano Lessons Live Online? [Re: Piano World]
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Frank,
You should be able to find and disable your laptop's onboard camera, by going to 'System Properties > Hardware > Device Manager'
Then when you plug in your USB camera, Skype should 'see' it.

It may also be possible to choose either camera, by using a small program called DVdriver, or another called SplitCam, without the need to disable the onboard camera.

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