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Gonna party like its nineteen ninety four!

The day the earth stood still.

According to the 1994 consumer report I should consider buying a Detroit built Oldsmobile today.

Given that :

a) Larry Fine's book put out today and in 1994 is one of subjective rankings based on:
- unscientific and statistically invalid (small, incomparable) samples of in turn subjective opinions of technicians and
- a process of give and take consensus building combined with the occasional provocative changes to sell more books;

and

b) internet is basically a post-1995 phenomenon that has dramatically changed the amount, quality and availability of information about piano brands.

One could be forgiven for questioning if it has been really just the quality of these pianos that has improved over the last 15 years or in fact the quality of factual information over these pianos...which Fine was forced to follow.

Yes, Mr. Treibitz, you actually did complement Larry Fine saying "His books serve a valuable purpose" while at the same time completely contradiction some of his strongest points in effect calling him an idiot. One of Larry Fine's strongest points is that the Samick and Young Chang pianos of the 1980s are of highly mediocre quality, in effect junk. You completely contradict this saying they are great.

It is a true salesman's skill to make completely contradictory statement sound like perfect sense. I stand in awe of your skill.

You did call Larry Fine incompetent, however.

'Highly mediocre' could have different interpretations, none of which would mean junk.
Junk is something of no value...which reminds me of you.

Why don't you start a new thread....."Posting members that should be ignored?" I have an idea whose name would top the list.

It's times like this that I think of Adrians (ABJ) signature line.

Hey there Mr. or Ms. ThreeBees.

Don't put words into my mouth and don't misquote my posts in the distorted and vile way that you have! Any intelligent person reading my posts will see that your characterizations of my words are totally off base.

Your tone in general is not a positive addition to this online community.

Huh?! Since when Larry Fine has become God and could not be criticized? Do you worship him?

As a consumer all I care is what price and service a dealer can offer to me. I am not going to pay a premium just because the dealer sings praise to certain character of no interest to me.

WHAT A LOAD OF RUBBISH!

First of all, with due respect to Larry Fine, who has made much more of his income from his book than in the piano business, using him as the ultimate authority to a dealer like Glenn or anyone else is laughable.

If you take each issue, year by year and compare the opinions, they change, as do the way that each manufacturer makes their pianos.

I can tell you that if you went for consumer help in a book written in 1950, the Studebaker was a great deal! A little later in that decade, the car that everyone should buy was the Edsel. Remember the Ford Pinto? Great deal, great gas mileage and rated top in it's class. Later they started blowing up on the freeway in flames. Just one example....

As far as the names you mentioned, who are you and what experience do you have to degrade those pianos? Are you a tech? Are you a dealer? Are you a poser? With 30+ years in the business, I, along with Glenn, who certainly does not have to explain his merchandising in his store to you, would not put my name on anything claiming that a particular complete line of pianos were boxes that make noise.

For the person that asked the question, I would say go try out all the pianos and see what feels right for your ear, your touch and your budget. Then, buy it! If you are foolish enough to take the word of a Larry Fine fan, you will be more lost than you are right now.

One more little tidbit on this subject of Mr. Fine. He acquires the thoughts of many people to come up with his references in his books. Do you really think that he, himself, examines all of these pianos and then writes this? How foolish of you.

Respectfully and with apologies to Glenn T. for being thrown in the mud after decades of a highly respected career in this business. Sorry Glenn, there is one in every crowd.

I hate to do this in open forum, but you have your PM's disabled.

Let's tone it down a couple of notches. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, but let's not force them on everyone. Let's be courteous too.

Ken

I must agree that there are very wacky posters here.
The adage ‘empty vessels make most noise’ certainly comes to mind reading BeeThrees (?) rambling comments.
Is it not possible that he/she is an imposter on this forum masquerading under the cover of a scriptwriter for an argument clinic. Who can forget his/her classic masterpiece as follows:-
Anyone For An Argument

i bought a sc jung digital and my friend played it, she is steinway artist, and it sounded great for $1500 better than expensive roland

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LOL, I just thought I missed a highly discussed thread but in fact it was the old thread that I have participated before.
Interesting to re-read the little flame war caused by ThreeBees.