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#1180375 - 04/14/09 05:13 PM Number of keys? 61, 76, 88
willingtolearn Offline
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Registered: 04/14/09
Posts: 1
I am planning on purchasing a digital piano for my first ever instrument to learn. i was wondering if the number of keys on the keyboard matter if i am trying to learn. The keys that are missing in 61, 76 models... how important are they?

I have my eye on a Roland rd250S (76 key) which i have found used for $500. Is this a good deal? Is this a good piano for starting off?

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#1180382 - 04/14/09 05:40 PM Re: Number of keys? 61, 76, 88 [Re: willingtolearn]
wilderman Offline
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Registered: 06/11/07
Posts: 12
Loc: Colorado
I ran into a problem with a 61 key digital piano recently when I attempted to play some classical music. Three of the first 4 songs could not be played on the short keyboard.

My first question would be, what music do you plan on playing?
My second would be finance related: how long before you could upgrade?

It is important to get started playing while you are motivated. If you plan on classical music, are willing to practice long hours, and will be able to purchase an upgraded keyboard in the future, this digital might be right for you now.

As for price/piano, I am not sure. I will leave that to others to help answer.

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#1180400 - 04/14/09 06:15 PM Re: Number of keys? 61, 76, 88 [Re: wilderman]
Oblacone Offline
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Registered: 12/21/08
Posts: 344
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well its obvious how important they are, you see if you buy one with 61 keys and you want to play something that uses more.. well then you'll have to buy one with 76... oh no i wanted to play that piece now you needed to buy 88 ... so money lost in that purchase. 88 keys are always best to have, jst in case
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#1180407 - 04/14/09 06:25 PM Re: Number of keys? 61, 76, 88 [Re: Oblacone]
Waza Offline
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Registered: 09/13/07
Posts: 51
Wilderman to tell you the truth i've had 61 keys for a very long time and i feel it's set me back with my playing harder pieces as you get frustrated that you've not got enough keys. I produce dance music so i can get away with it.

But if I were you i would go for 88 keys infact i'm on the look out for 88 keyboard just now.

I hope this helps you

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#1180438 - 04/14/09 07:18 PM Re: Number of keys? 61, 76, 88 [Re: Waza]
kiedysktos. Offline
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Registered: 11/02/08
Posts: 424
Loc: Europe, Poland
I think 76 is bearable for a pianist, specially if you don't play Rachmaninof, just a modern stuff. Sometimes you can hear that true pianist should always have 88 and rest of the people are not pianist, but don't forget Chopin played on 76-key piano smile
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#1180909 - 04/15/09 01:01 PM Re: Number of keys? 61, 76, 88 [Re: kiedysktos.]
Gyro Offline
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Registered: 04/24/05
Posts: 4533
I would recommend 61. You can get a 61-key portable keyboard
new for as little as $40.00. These 61-key portables are
very lightweight and fun to use and play: you can plop
them down on the floor, on a table, or on a bed, and plunk
away anytime you feel like. They're just plain fun.
With 61 keys you can play all of Bach and most if
not all of Mozart, more music than you could play
in several liftimes. In fact, you could even
play anything on it, if you innovate a little,
like breaking up long passages into the treble
so that they can fit on the keys.

76-key keyboards are rare, and are kind of an odd
man out in pianos. They offer only 15 more keys
than a 61 key piano, not much of a difference,
but now you're looking at a much higher price, more
weight, and a bulkier instrument, so you lose the
convenience of a 61-key keyboard.

Of course, with a full 88-keys you can play
anything directly, but now the keyboard is about
5 feet long, very awkward to carry around,
and if the keys are fully-weighted, it's going to
be heavy, as much as 75 lbs. in some models.
This is a piano that needs to be played on
a stand, like an acoustic upright piano.
Now you've got to sit down in one place, on
a bench, and you'll have to work to get the
weighted keys moving under your fingers, which
can take a lot of the fun out of playing the
piano.

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#1180920 - 04/15/09 01:20 PM Re: Number of keys? 61, 76, 88 [Re: Gyro]
trolls99 Offline
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Registered: 06/07/07
Posts: 110
Loc: Germany
I am playing piano for about 18 months now and learn with the book Michael Aaron Piano Course: Lessons Grade 1 and 2. Excellent book, by the way. And even at that stage 61-keys would not have been enough for several songs. I guess, however, that so far 76 would have worked. Nonetheless, what could be more maddening than not being able to play a song simply because you have too few keys. In addition, 76 and less keys are usually found on keyboards that do not try to mimick pianos, but are intended for use as synthesisers or organs. So clearly, if you want to play piano get a keyboard with 88 keys.

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#1181033 - 04/15/09 04:29 PM Re: Number of keys? 61, 76, 88 [Re: trolls99]
Kasper Nielsen Offline
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Registered: 02/13/09
Posts: 30
Loc: Denmark
If you want to learn how to play the piano, go for the 88 full weighted keys. There are nothing to discuss in that matter. There is a clear reason why acoustic pianos have 88 keys. No less, no more. Because it's the perfect amount.

As time goes by, and You get better and better, You'll get enourmesly frustrated, when playing a piece that cannot be played on a keyboard with less than 7 octaves - been there smile

If you want to play an acoustic guitar, You probably wouldn't buy one with 5 strings.

And digital pianos with full weigted 88 keys, aren't that expensive anymore. Obviously You can buy digital pianos worth several thousands of dollars, but less will do.

You can easily find a decent digital piano for under 500 dollars.

My advice would be the Casio Privia PX-120, which is probably the best in that pricerange.

Hope that helps smile

- Kasper


Edited by Kasper Nielsen (04/15/09 04:31 PM)

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#1181040 - 04/15/09 04:39 PM Re: Number of keys? 61, 76, 88 [Re: Kasper Nielsen]
MonksDream Offline
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Registered: 10/08/08
Posts: 101
Loc: Vancouver, BC
Originally Posted By: Kasper

My advice would be the Casio Privia PX-120, which is probably the best in that price range.

Hope that helps

- Kasper

+1 - I heartily second that recommendation. 88 keys, at a price you can afford.

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#1181235 - 04/16/09 12:10 AM Re: Number of keys? 61, 76, 88 [Re: MonksDream]
Horwinkle Offline
1000 Post Club Member

Registered: 09/22/08
Posts: 1011
I think you could live with 76 keys ... that a piano that's missing an octave. But there aren't many of those anymore (except maybe workstations?).

But 61 keys would be intolerable.

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#1181249 - 04/16/09 12:35 AM Re: Number of keys? 61, 76, 88 [Re: Horwinkle]
Daniel Marsalone Offline
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Registered: 10/28/06
Posts: 36
Loc: Phoenix, AZ
I'd say to definitely pass on the Roland RD250S. The price is out the box crazy at $500. This is a 20 year old digital piano with 16 note polyphony. For a $100 it'd be worth buying but for anything more, it simply isn't worth it. Plus it is heavy.

You can pick up the Casio PX120 for around $400 to $500. With it you get 128 note polyphony, a good piano sample, 88 good weighted keys, built in speakers, and a lightweight digital piano that is easily transported.

Forget 76, 61, 88. A new Casio PX120 houses the Roland. If money is tight, look for a used Casio PX110 or 310, the previous generation. Same hammer action keyboard and lightweight package with a good sample and 32 note polyphony. You might be able to snag one on Craigslist for $200 or so.

As far as the number of keys 61 kinda stinks for piano. 73 or 76 keys should be enough to handle about 98% of your playing and is nice if you plan to take it to band practice or gigs. Of course 88 covers everything but you rarely will use the extra notes that the 76 doesn't have.

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#1181810 - 04/16/09 07:55 PM Re: Number of keys? 61, 76, 88 [Re: Daniel Marsalone]
kiedysktos. Offline
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Registered: 11/02/08
Posts: 424
Loc: Europe, Poland
I've played thousands of hours on 76-key digital, and most of the time I don't feel I miss something. My friend has Korg SP-250, which is a little heavy, and he regrets he can't cut out half an octave from the top and the bottom - he doesn't use this keys,and his instrument would be slighty shorter and lighter.

I mean I know it's good to have all 88 smile 76 is enough for most of the music (pop/rock/blues as well as baroque and romantic), but in some modern classical or jazz stuff you can feel you need more. Or if you like to split keyboard using 3 - 4 instruments. So right: 88 is the best option smile

Though I think there is a hole in the market: there are some customers who would like to buy 76 fullly weighted version of some pianos (lower cost, shorter and lighter instrument). If they give 76 keys, there are usually half weighted. Only Clavia Nord Stage is available in 88 and 76 fully weighted version.
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#1182488 - 04/17/09 06:44 PM Re: Number of keys? 61, 76, 88 [Re: Horwinkle]
Drunk3nFist Offline
500 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/11/08
Posts: 640
Loc: London
It depends what sort of music you are going to play. If you're more into pop songs, a 76 keyboard is decent.. However, if you are going to play any classical, try to get an 88. Casio PX-320 is a decent 88 key example smile
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#1183069 - 04/18/09 07:10 PM Re: Number of keys? 61, 76, 88 [Re: Horwinkle]
TimR Offline
3000 Post Club Member

Registered: 08/17/04
Posts: 3000
Loc: Virginia, USA
Personally I would prefer 61 keys. I could play all of Bach, and all of standard church hymns, and that's most of what I do.

And it would transfer well to the organ, all the manuals being 61 keys.

It would be light and short, easy to keep one at work for my lunch hour practice.

BUT. I couldn't find a 61 key weighted keyboard that didn't cost more than the equivalent in 88 keys. There just isn't any market for them. 61 keys are toy instruments, therefore unweighted, or very high priced midi controllers, usually but not always unweighted.
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#1183176 - 04/18/09 11:11 PM Re: Number of keys? 61, 76, 88 [Re: TimR]
bentrinh Offline
Junior Member

Registered: 03/06/09
Posts: 9
You can go with the 61 keys if you're unsure if you really want to play piano, since they're relatively cheap. However, it only took me 6 months of playing piano to notice my piano was missing keys for music I wanted to play. So it's a matter of how sure you are. You can go the safe route and buy a cheap 61 key keyboard, and risk only whatever little that is worth if you decide piano is not for you, or, you can go straight for a nice digital piano, as once you get to a certain level, you're probably never going back to that 61 key keyboard. If you choose the latter, you have to be aware that if you do decide that you don't want to play piano, you'll only have a expensive paperweight on your hands.

And about about weighted keys, that is something you WANT (if you're playing piano music that is; using the keyboard for midi is different). Those keys simulate a real piano, and they give you much more control over how your music sounds emotionally.


Edited by bentrinh (04/18/09 11:12 PM)

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