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#1181303 - 04/16/09 03:56 AM Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Grand
keypounder Offline
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Loc: Southern California
Hi everyone!!

I work in a club where the piano (Kawai KG-2C) is on a concrete floor.

I've not really had any issues with movement other than the occasional "quiver" when I play a little too "passionately"

...that is, until the other night, when an apparently very drunk individual obviously thought the piano was a wall and leaned against it with all his weight while I was performing a song --what subsequently became a very MOVING song -lol.

SO, I wanted to see if anyone here had any suggestions on how this piano can be TEMPORARILY immobilized.

I work alone and do not have assistance to lift it for casters, and a rug would be out of the question decor-wise (plus there's not enough room to move it around for the rug's placement) --as well, the piano DOES need to moved during the course of the week.

What *I* thought of was perhaps some of that Mortite rope caulking wrapped around where each caster meets the floor, creating a caster cup-LIKE "lip" around each caster --which I think should adhere well to the concrete-- then removing at the end of the night. After all, I only need to keep it still, not necessarily brace it.

Thanks in advance for any input.

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#1181306 - 04/16/09 04:18 AM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Grand [Re: keypounder]
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Wind some cord around the casters where they touch the floor. The cord used for traverse rods is the right size.
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#1181334 - 04/16/09 07:07 AM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Grand [Re: BDB]
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caster cups with some sort of non-slippery bottom?
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#1181448 - 04/16/09 09:58 AM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Grand [Re: CozyWriter]
Horwinkle Offline
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It might be cheaper and easier to immobilize that drunkard! smile

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#1181631 - 04/16/09 02:57 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: CozyWriter]
keypounder Offline
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Originally Posted By: CozyWriter
caster cups with some sort of non-slippery bottom?



As I mentioned, I don't have assitance to lift the piano, so placing anything under the casters is out of the question.

Sorry, BDB, what are "traverse rods"?

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#1181640 - 04/16/09 03:21 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: keypounder]
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Curtain rods. Go to the hardware store and ask for traverse rod cord, and they will know what it is.
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#1181649 - 04/16/09 03:37 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: BDB]
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I think the caster cups is the best way. It is not a permanent change and it will look asthetically pleasing too. This way, you can forget about ropes, wires, rods, or any of those band-aid fixes.

You mentioned that you don't have any assistance, and I would suggest that you get temp help with the caster cups. There has got to be a body or two in this club that is willign to help you. As a last resort, you can always lift up the piano yourself and use your legs to push the caster cups under the wheels (not recommended!).
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#1181653 - 04/16/09 03:52 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: AZIPOD]
Mocheol Offline
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I take it the piano is on wheels?
If so the answer is castor cups good quality and close fitting.There should be no movement at all.
In relation to lifting the piano two men can do the job,one to lift slightly and the other to slide the cups under the castors.
The slider can kneel under the piano and help the lift with his back!

Failing this get a car jack and rig a system [probably Heath Robinsonesque] of timbers and jack up each leg in turn about 30mm and slide in the cups.
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#1181657 - 04/16/09 04:03 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: Mocheol]
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The cord works fine, but if you want to be extra certain, make sure that each of the casters point in different directions. Caster cups are not what you want.
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#1181658 - 04/16/09 04:11 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: BDB]
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You can also carry three rubber wedges, (the kind we tuners use to mute strings), and jam them in between the wheels and the bracket they are connected to.
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#1181661 - 04/16/09 04:15 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: BDB]
keypounder Offline
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Originally Posted By: BDB
Caster cups are not what you want.



Thank you, BDB!!!

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#1181688 - 04/16/09 04:53 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: keypounder]
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Oh, my goodness! I laugh every time I think of your comment on how your experience "...became a very moving song..." smile
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#1182251 - 04/17/09 01:27 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: M.O.P.]
dr.dai phan Offline
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I think Grozilla glue works well too or Liquid Nail too. DP

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#1182383 - 04/17/09 04:34 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: dr.dai phan]
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Sometimes the simplest solution is the best.

All you have to do is put wheels on the stool.

Then you just have to solve the much easier problem of finding a way to attach the stool to the piano, so that when the piano moves the stool stays in the same place in relation to it. Something involving Velcro and a staplegun would probably work well.
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#1182390 - 04/17/09 04:46 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: djtoast]
keypounder Offline
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Great idea!! --in fact, we can also attach the PATRONS sitting AT the piano (bar) as well and we can actually market it as a Six Flags ride!!

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#1185739 - 04/23/09 09:39 AM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: keypounder]
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I gave you a simple, easy solution to which you did not respond. Please don't ask for help if you can't at least acknowledge people's efforts to assist you.
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#1185875 - 04/23/09 01:52 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
keypounder Offline
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Sorry --didn't know I was required to.

My apologies if you were offended but I am trying anything and everything right now with what very little time I have --and MY THINKING WAS that when I found something that finally worked, I would then mention it on here.

Also, I only "see" that piano on the weekends as it located quite far from where I live.

Unfortunately, the wedges you referred to are not readily available at places like Home Depot and the like --so BEING AS I AM NOT A TUNER (and highly doubt mine will lend me his), it will take me a bit of time to find them (or order them online, which I was trying to avoid given the time) --until then, i am "improvising" with what IS readily available.

In any event, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUGGESTION!!!

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#1186057 - 04/23/09 07:31 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: keypounder]
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Or your could "chock" the wheels with rubber doorstops (the wedge shaped ones). Those should be available at Home Depot etc.
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#1186069 - 04/23/09 07:57 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: TX-Dennis]
keypounder Offline
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Loc: Southern California
As it turns out, Dennis, that's EXACTLY what I did --I'm hoping it'll work

I also got some wooden shims to try as well.

I'm going to also try my original idea of the Mortite around the casters.

I'll know what'll work tomorrow when I see the piano again.

I wonder if wrapping duct-tape around the casters will work?

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#1186104 - 04/23/09 09:10 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: keypounder]
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Wasn't there a Victor Borge skit that involved the piano being rolled around? grin
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#1186773 - 04/24/09 09:08 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: Horowitzian]
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I hope the "piano mover" put a ten in your jar for the jarring interlude.

While playing the organ for our minor league baseball team, a squirrel chose to race from one end of the press box table to the other and across the Hammond C3. It occured during our Nations Anthem. Coffee was spilled, the Official Scorer shreaked, startled gasps, unknown furry assailant etc... I chuckle inwardly hearing "rockets red glare" now; the exact point the squirrel dove into the back of the organ. I didn't miss a beat that time. Here's a toast to drunk tippers!
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#1188864 - 04/28/09 07:26 AM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: MAKitt]
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Sorry --didn't know I was required to.

My apologies if you were offended but I am trying anything and everything right now with what very little time I have --and MY THINKING WAS that when I found something that finally worked, I would then mention it on here.

Also, I only "see" that piano on the weekends as it located quite far from where I live.

Unfortunately, the wedges you referred to are not readily available at places like Home Depot and the like --so BEING AS I AM NOT A TUNER (and highly doubt mine will lend me his), it will take me a bit of time to find them (or order them online, which I was trying to avoid given the time) --until then, i am "improvising" with what IS readily available.

In any event, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUGGESTION!!!


Your sarcasm gives some clues to your personality keypounder, so I'm going to give you a lesson in manners. While you obviously are not REQUIRED to answer anyone, you came on here for advice from people. People, including myself, went out of their way to respond in order to assist you. Where I come from, if someone makes that gesture for me, no matter how insignificant, I would make it my business to thank them for the effort, MINUS the sarcasm. As far as the suggestion I made, I would have expected that to be a starting point for you to have been able to figure out on your own that, even if you could not immediately find rubber tuning wedges, there are many similar items sold at places like Home Depot that are made of similar materials and shapes that could be used in their place......for instance DOOR STOPS!!!! One more thing.....maybe if you'd stop POUNDING on the KEYS, the piano wouldn't move so much!!!


Edited by CC2 and Chopin lover (04/28/09 08:00 AM)
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#1188896 - 04/28/09 08:24 AM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: CC2 and Chopin lover]
rodmichael Offline
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Loc: Maryland
Originally Posted By: CC2 and Chopin lover
Quote:
Sorry --didn't know I was required to.

My apologies if you were offended but I am trying anything and everything right now with what very little time I have --and MY THINKING WAS that when I found something that finally worked, I would then mention it on here.

Also, I only "see" that piano on the weekends as it located quite far from where I live.

Unfortunately, the wedges you referred to are not readily available at places like Home Depot and the like --so BEING AS I AM NOT A TUNER (and highly doubt mine will lend me his), it will take me a bit of time to find them (or order them online, which I was trying to avoid given the time) --until then, i am "improvising" with what IS readily available.

In any event, THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUGGESTION!!!


Your sarcasm gives some clues to your personality keypounder, so I'm going to give you a lesson in manners. While you obviously are not REQUIRED to answer anyone, you came on here for advice from people. People, including myself, went out of their way to respond in order to assist you. Where I come from, if someone makes that gesture for me, no matter how insignificant, I would make it my business to thank them for the effort, MINUS the sarcasm. As far as the suggestion I made, I would have expected that to be a starting point for you to have been able to figure out on your own that, even if you could not immediately find rubber tuning wedges, there are many similar items sold at places like Home Depot that are made of similar materials and shapes that could be used in their place......for instance DOOR STOPS!!!! One more thing.....maybe if you'd stop POUNDING on the KEYS, the piano wouldn't move so much!!!


Let's lighten up a bit. You went out of your way with a 29 word sentence. No one required you to do that. You did it out of the "kindness" of your heart, one presumes. Are you so insecure that you have to be "loved" and "Oprah-ized" for any utterance with which you deign to privilege this forum?

The only thing you've really gone out of the way for is to be inexplicably self-centered and rude.

If your time is so precious and your contributions to the forum so valuable and insightful, one can only presume that your tuning rates are astronomical. Perhaps you shouldn't be wasting your time on the forums but out working.

You are not your own best friend with these kinds of posts. Not good advertising.
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#1188933 - 04/28/09 09:43 AM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: rodmichael]
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Ok, I'll jump in and be the "mom". You're right, Rod, let's all play nice.

Unfortunately, quite often for someone new on the forum willask a question or make a comment, and then get blasted back to the stone age by someone's response.

Being rude just simply makes newcomers shake their heads and wonder just what they've stumbled into and question why they would want to be a member here when they get attacked.

Anyone here remember the "Thumper Rule" from the Bambi movie? "If you can't say something nice..."

Ok, enough scolding. smile

Some of the responses to this thread have been quite humorous: "jarring interlude", "moving song". hahahaha!

Don't be put off by someone grouchy, Keypounder, perhaps CC2 was just having a rough day.

Cheers Everyone!
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#1189009 - 04/28/09 11:20 AM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: M.O.P.]
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I'll stick up for CC2.

He has been VERY helpful to many posters over the years. He has contributed a lot of time and energy as he has done so.

He has shared some unusual appointments that he has recently to his pianos as well.

He has hosted piano parties for members of PW and opens his home to those interested in his 3 choice pianos.

Thank goodness for members that are as generous.

yippie


For what it's worth, I also thought that the thank you given was riddled with sarcasm. But, Spring is in the air and I'll now go out and play in the garden!
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#1189026 - 04/28/09 11:47 AM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: lilylady]
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Originally Posted By: lilylady
I'll stick up for CC2.

He has been VERY helpful to many posters over the years. He has contributed a lot of time and energy as he has done so.

He has shared some unusual appointments that he has recently to his pianos as well.

He has hosted piano parties for members of PW and opens his home to those interested in his 3 choice pianos.

Thank goodness for members that are as generous.

yippie


For what it's worth, I also thought that the thank you given was riddled with sarcasm. But, Spring is in the air and I'll now go out and play in the garden!


Originally Posted By: CC2 and Chopin Lover
I gave you a simple, easy solution to which you did not respond. Please don't ask for help if you can't at least acknowledge people's efforts to assist you.


Yes, the response from keypounder had a note of sarcasm but it was in response to CC2's 2nd note in the thread (above) in which he virtually demanded acknowledgement and gratitude for his first word of advice.

I can't say with certainty that I wouldn't have responded as did keypounder. If everyone offered a solicitous, syruppy acknowledgement for every 29-word contribution in the forum, we would be awash in sugar and spice and everything nice. And the threads would be twice the length they are now.

I reviewed some of CC2's other recent posts and these 2 did seem out of character. Maybe M.O.P. is correct and CC2 is just having a bad day.
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#1189141 - 04/28/09 02:38 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: rodmichael]
keypounder Offline
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Loc: Southern California
Uh... think I'm gonna keep quiet on this -lol

Thank you everyone for your input!! (on both matters -lol).

After seeing the piano this past weekend, I've decided that pretty much the ONLY thing that's gonna work is... (drumroll please)

CASTER CUPS! --yeah, that's right I know I said there was no way for me to use them, but I'm gonna have to find a way --with a "slick/glossy" concrete floor there's not much else I can see working --in fact, I'm looking at having to either get rubber ones or these.

As well, there's also this thingie which is specifically made to lift the piano to place caster cups under it --it ain't cheap though.

I'll find a way though.

Thanks again everyone!!

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#1189451 - 04/28/09 10:28 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: keypounder]
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Um... OK. Pink bubblegum, well-chewed, with Skoal for coloring. Place discreetly. Allow one hour to set up.

No need to thank me.

Consider it a contribution to the industry.
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#1190008 - 04/29/09 05:32 PM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: MAKitt]
keypounder Offline
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Loc: Southern California
As it turns out, Mike, one of our bartenders DOES actually chew Skoal --so I think we're definitely good there --problem is, he doesn't start chewing till THE END of the night --but I'll see what I can do.

And I can see to the bubblegum myself --in fact, what I'm even thinking is to chew a lot of it, and begin sticking it UNDER the piano (a la movie seats) to preserve it for future nights.

That --and if that drunk guy should show up again, it can also be used to stick on his back/hair/shoe --he'll never notice.

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#1190390 - 04/30/09 07:57 AM Re: Ideas Needed for TEMPORARILY Immobilizing a Gr [Re: keypounder]
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I'll say three things on this, and then let it go.
1. I'm happy you found your solution KeyPounder
2. Thanks for your support Lilylady
3. rodmichael, I wasn't having a bad day. I can almost guarantee that, had we been standing face to face, you would not have had the impulse, or desire, to say the things that you have. I do not crave, nor do I expect, "solicitous, syruppy acknowledgement", just some indication that the poster gave my suggestion the same consideration as others. I will let my record speak for itself.
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