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I came across this fan arrangement of a song and I'm trying to figure out how to play it with my hands that can barely reach an octave:

h--p://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pcfc2/score/myself.pdf
(If you're warned about missing fonts upon opening the file, don't worry, they're probably just the Japanese fonts used in the lyrics.)

Bar 53, namely beat 3 - is that supposed to be possible? What is the best way to rearrange it so I can reach without destroying the distribution of voices?

I love Sperion no Sora's arrangements but I frequently encounter similar problems with their work. I have the same problem with parts of Tsukiakari and Tabi no Tochuu:

h--p://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pcfc2/score/tsukiakari.pdf
h--p://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pcfc2/score/tabinotochuu.pdf

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I think it's intended that you play the notes with stems pointing down(in the treble clef) with the LH along with the bass part.


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You have to make some choices here, because unless you have ginormous hands, you will have to roll things. I would plat the C-E and A with the RH, while the LH plays the low A and catches the A and octave higher on the "and" of beat 1. Beat 2 LH would play the stems down notes while the RH played the melody above. I assume you'll use pedal to then keep that low Bass A sounding. Beat 3, I'd play the low Bass G & catch that with the pedal, then quickly jump up to play the stems down notes simultaneously with the high RH A. That means the G in the bass will sound before the other notes. On the "and" of beat 3, I would again play that low G then the stems down A as quickly after that in the LH, and continue on in this same manner whenever you have large leaps like that.


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Originally Posted by GYABEAUX
I came across this fan arrangement of a song and I'm trying to figure out how to play it with my hands that can barely reach an octave: http://www.srcf.ucam.org/~pcfc2/score/myself.pdf
Bar 53, namely beat 3 - is that supposed to be possible?

Here's the part in question:
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I couldn't possibly stretch the G#2-to-C#4, nor the E4-to-A5.
I can manage a ninth without problems, but not an eleventh!

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It's not humanly possible for one person to play this as written - so you could re-voice the chord. Keep the decending bass line from A to G# and keep the melody line from E to A above the staff - but change the inner voices to make it playable - you might try
LH: G# E3 and RH: C#5 and A. That might work

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I'd try to preserve the inner voice and melody lines, play the G sharp in the bass an octave higher. There's no indication of tempo, so I don't know how quick you'd have to get to the 'second' G sharp...it wouldn't likely work an octave high against the A in the inner voice...augmented unisons anyone? Diminished seconds? LOL


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I dunno. I once saw a picture in Sports Illustrate of an NFL football player named Jevon Kearse. In his hand, he was holding a ruler, held between his left pinky and left thumb. He might could make the reach.

Can't say anything to how musical it would be, tho...


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Maybe, remembering the apocryphal Mozart story, you're supposed to play the C sharp with your nose and the E with your tongue...


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I remember reading that Rachmaninoff could reach the span of a thirteenth!

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Here's the part in question:

I couldn't possibly stretch the G#2-to-C#4, nor the E4-to-A5.

I don't know how to copy the graphic but have you missplaced the red dot. Isn't it C on the ledger line and C# on the keyboard?

How did you arrive at your color/note choices.

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It's C# in both places.

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Good to know there are solutions! I've been simply ignoring the "extra" voice(s) until now. I'll try to roll and see what happens!

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Maybe, remembering the apocryphal Mozart story, you're supposed to play the C sharp with your nose and the E with your tongue...


Reminds me of this Baccano! opening theme performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgS79IuGoHk


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Mozart - K397 Fantasia in Dm
Mozart - K475 Fantasia in Cm
Chopin - Nocturne in C#m
Debussy - La fille aux cheveux de lin
Debussy - Golliwogg's Cakewalk
Hofmann - 37-1 To the Lute
Gade - 19-2 Scherzo
Chopin - 25-12 Ocean
Chopin - 25-1 Aeolian Harp
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What you need is a piano stick...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKKlhYF53w

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Wow, that is hilarious.


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