As suggested by Horwinkle in another tread...

Newbie here, just trying to get an idea of what a fair market price is for a CLP 340/370 and HP 203/207 here in the Toronto area.

If you recently purchased any one of the above mentioned DP's in the Toronto area or even in the rest of Canada, would you mind sharing what you paid?

For those who purchased in the the GTA area, where did you get it from and how would you rate your shopping experience.

For those who purchased said above DP's, is there anything a newbie needs to watch out for (faulty keyboard, technical problems, etc).

Thanks in advance for any help offered.

Bump!

No one bought a DP recently in the Toronto area or even this part of Canada?

The 340 is apparently around $2500 (US), the
370 around $2900, the 203 around $2200,
and the 207 around $3400.

Did you find listings for anywhere in N. America? I'm sure there are some for all of those models. I doubt there would be much price difference between Canada and US (other than the currency conversion).

So here's my best guessing and recollection ... all prices in USD.

CLP340 ... $2200-$2400 (maybe lower for wood, maybe a tad higher for polished ebony).
HP203 ... $2000-$2200
HP207 ... $3000-$3200 (someone got an exceptional good deal at $2700, if memory serves)
(I don't have info for the CLP370.)

If you make an offer below the low end of these ranges, and get a counteroffer within the range, you've done well enough.

These units come unassembled. As such, they can be carried home in any but the smallest of compact cars. But if you buy one that's already assembled, then you'll need a truck or van to get it home ... or pay for delivery. They weigh 125 to 175 pounds, varying by model.

Horwinkle wrote,
"So here's my best guessing and recollection ... all prices in USD. CLP340 ... $2200-$2400 (maybe lower for wood, maybe a tad higher for polished ebony)."

I see guessing and recollection as disruptive and dangerous to honest retailers representing new Yamaha Clavinova products. Yamaha raised wholesale pricing to dealers on or about 2-1-09 and again on or about 4-15-09. Buying a new Yamaha CLP340 for the prices Horwinkle is showing is not even vaguely profitable for any retailers. Suggesting that shoppers even offer less is setting them up for disappointment and unnecessary conflict in the market place. The current Yamaha MSRP on this product is $3899.

Marty,
I appreciate that your position has the benefit of knowing the current wholesale prices of high-end Yamaha DPs, and you frequently post here to say the prices that we quote as "reasonable" for actual sale prices leave dealers little room for profit when accounting for wholesale price increases. Sometimes you even seem to suggest that the prices we're shooting for in our negotiations are insulting to the dealers.

I'm curious to know what you suggest a DP shopper to do. My sale price on a CLP370 was about $2600 with very little negotiation necessary, but given your MSRP on the 340 and warnings that the $2200-2400 range is bordering on wholesale, one would think that my sale wasn't worth the dealer's time.

I don't think that you're suggesting that people should expect to pay Yamaha's MSRPs for Clavinovas, because clearly those occasions are rarities when dealing with informed customers (like those who post here). So, we expect that a fair sale price should be the result of negotiation, and we've seen that quite frequently people actually buy these DPs at the prices that Horwinkle lists. If these prices are so bad for the dealers, and Clavinovas are (as you've suggested before) so easy to sell, why do we see them selling in that range? And given that so many buy a CLP340 for about $2300, why would any customer be willing to pay anything near the MSRP? I've seen asking prices on Roland's flagship HP207 that are almost $1000 lower than that MSRP for the midrange 340.

We go into price negotiations expecting to negotiate, and I don't see how that's either an invitation for conflict or disappointment. If you think that people should expect to pay more, I think that it's the responsibility of dealers to start selling for more, not the responsibility of shoppers to offer more. We'll obviously modify our expectations when we start seeing evidence that they're unreasonable. Until then, I think the ball is either in the dealers' or Yamaha's court.

And I hope you don't read any of this to be hostile at all...I read your comments to be sincere and I'm not accusing you of any anti-customer bias. I'm honestly just curious why any evidence aside from observed sale prices should matter to us. Someone who seriously wants a Clavinova will get one for the best price that they can, and if those best prices increase, we'll know it.

If you have newer selling-price figures, feel free to offer them. We'd all be interested.

But I hardly think my statements are disruptive or dangerous. Drunk drivers are dangerous. But making pricing suggestions, which you feel are out of date, is hardly dangerous.If so, then when a buyer makes such an offer, the dealer will simply say "no", and he might make a counteroffer. That's all part of negotiation.Those who negotiate can either (a) steel themselves against disappointment, (b) deal with the disappointment, or (c) not take the trouble to negotiate.I bought a Toyota whose retail price was $23,100 MSRP after rebate. With tax ... $24,500. I offered $18,550 and the dealer accepted. So much for MSRP.

Ok, Toyotas cars are not Yamaha DPs. So ... I bought a CLP240PE last fall. The MSRP was (claimed) $3600. When I showed interest, the dealer offered to sell at $2900. With tax & delivery, that would be $3181. I countered with $2500, including tax and delivery. He counter-counter-offered $2550. Sold. So much for MSRP.

Right now the score is:
Horwinkle 10 Marty 0. Marty you take this too personally. It's the customer's money!

Actually, it's just a reflection of the difference between the dealer and the customer. Every one of us has our "side", depending on whether we're the dealer or the customer.

So I don't see it as 10 to 0. I see it as 5 to 5.

Depending on the colour. Wood colours are more affordable and polishes ebony is more pricey. I have connection to one of the toronto dealer, see if i could help you.

Here in Winnipeg I just paid $3088 CAD for the CLP 340 including delivery,setup, headphones and music book. They wouldnt budge on the price. But what sold me was I can return it within a year ( I believe it was 1 year) with the full price going towards a higher end model. I am still drooling over the 380.I wish people would indicate more clearly what currency they are talking about when they say what they paid for these things. For clarity I am talking winnipeg manitoba canada dollars.

As already posted on the price paid thread, I paid CAD $2521.24 plus 13% sale taxes (GST + PST). The price included delivery, setup, and the included Yamaha piano music book. By the way, the price was for a CLP-340 PE (Polished Ebony) and it was purchased in Thornhill, Ontario which is part of the Greater Toronto Area (GTA).

I looked at both the Roland HP 203/207 and the Yamaha CLP-340/370. Within my area of Toronto, I was able to visit 3 authorized Yamaha dealers while there was only 1 authorized dealer that I could find in the Toronto area that actually has display models for me to try out. That in itself gave me, as a consumer, a price negotiation advantage for the Yamaha's. In fact, within the GTA area, there are probably more than half a dozen Yamaha dealers versus 1 authorized dealer for the Roland (according to Roland.ca's website).

Long story short, I prefer the sound and feel of the Yamaha to the Roland's which is a subjective decision. I have daily access to an acoustic Yamaha grand so I'm sure that played a role in my decision for the Yamaha. Here in Canada, we get a 5 years warranty with the Yamaha's versus only 1 year for the Rolands. That played a minor role in my decision for the CLP's.

As always, your mileage may vary.

Rodon, where did you get it? I am ready to buy this model and the best I'm getting is 3000+tax.